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New question on 9/11 [Engineer/architect group petitioning Congress for new investigation]
The Washington Times ^ | Feb. 22, 2010 | Jennifer Harper

Posted on 02/22/2010 10:03:45 AM PST by lakeprincess

A lingering technical question about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks still haunts some, and it has political implications: How did 200,000 tons of steel disintegrate and drop in 11 seconds? A thousand architects and engineers want to know, and are calling on Congress to order a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911; 911truther; alexjones; malkin; nutbars; nutcase; obama; paultardsunite; ronpaul; rosieodonnell; terrorism; troofer; troofers; truther; truthers; zotbait
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To: Army Air Corps

Bermuda with the Ughers?


101 posted on 02/22/2010 11:44:09 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: Admin Moderator; Larry Lucido

I did read the whole article. And I still don’t know why the Washington Times is running this unadulterated Truther nonsense.

What did I miss?


102 posted on 02/22/2010 11:45:22 AM PST by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: machogirl

The most common theory among the nutbars is that they are in some detention facility in a western state like Nevada. Seriously screwy stuff. I wonder how much money dope dealers make from the Truthers.


103 posted on 02/22/2010 11:48:34 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

The Harry Reid detention facility at area 51?


104 posted on 02/22/2010 11:49:25 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: machogirl

Hey, maybe they are on Reid’s campaign staff! Free labour! It isn’t as though they can file a complaint. ;-)


105 posted on 02/22/2010 11:51:24 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

That would be a heck of a party atmosphere.


106 posted on 02/22/2010 11:52:30 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: lonevoice

Ping for later checking. A troll is a troll is a troll.


107 posted on 02/22/2010 11:52:48 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: lakeprincess
Frankly, the American Institute of Architects could do themselves a favour and post a note on their homepage divesting themselves of having anything to do with Richard Gage and his 'nonprofit Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth' crowd of nuts.

However, let’s all be aware that from a broader engineering perspective, there is always something valuable to be learned from a failure....even horrific ones such as the collapse of the Towers where it already is clearly understood by any reasonable person as to why they fell. It should be mandatory that every engineer entering the workforce read ‘To Engineer is Human: The Role of Failure in Successful Design’ by Henry Petroski. It is not until there is a precise understanding of the exact nature of the 'why' that steps can be taken in the future to make something better. I have no insight into what has all gone on with the post-9/11 studies in this case but I will bet that much failure analysis has already happened with the Trade Towers. What will it yield? Perhaps a requirement for more steel columns? Perhaps an upgraded standard for steel beams that retain higher yield strengths at higher temperatures? A change in the standards and materials used for column insulation? Recommendations for alarm systems that will inform occupants to get away from a side of the building and toward exists on the other side if a plane gets within say a few minutes of potential impact? Recommendations for different methods for extinguishing flames? All are possibilities plus many more.... not just for the objective of having a building withstand a crash but for it to remain standing longer. Think about it..... if the Twin Towers had of been able to stand for double the length of time they did, how many additional lives would have been saved?

There is much to be learned. However, none of it will come from the agenda of nuts like Richard Gage.

108 posted on 02/22/2010 11:55:03 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest... (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to rule it.”....Mencken)
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To: Larry Lucido

Hmmm. Perhaps some fact checking is still in order (yeah, perhaps I’m a bit too perseverative on being accurate)?

The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993


109 posted on 02/22/2010 11:55:25 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: machogirl
That would be a heck of a party atmosphere.

The beatings will continue until morale improves!
110 posted on 02/22/2010 11:56:55 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

I can imagine how “energized” the campaign staff is. (if they aren’t asleep)


111 posted on 02/22/2010 12:10:56 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: free me

I do believe you are right.


112 posted on 02/22/2010 12:13:08 PM PST by oldteen
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To: machogirl

I am convinced that Reid is a reanimated corpse.


113 posted on 02/22/2010 12:15:05 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Larry Lucido
Abuse report hit. Truther posting bot.

I hit abuse within a few minutes of this article being posted. For whatever reasons, the mods have chosen to allow it to remain. I would choose otherwise. *sigh*

114 posted on 02/22/2010 12:28:24 PM PST by lonevoice (If Fox News is the only outlet reporting it, did it really happen?)
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To: wintertime
Does anyone know much about this organization?

The American Istitute of Architects is the professional organization that represents architects. I am not only a member, but a past chapter president. The AIA has about 85,000 members nationally (although I can't seem to find an exact number). My guess is that the other 84,000 understand gravity and metallurgy a little better than the 1,000 loons they got to sign up.

115 posted on 02/22/2010 12:30:36 PM PST by r-q-tek86 (It isn't settled because it isn't science)
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To: Sloth
As an engineer, I hereby call for all signers’ credentials to be revoked.

Ditto for the architects

116 posted on 02/22/2010 12:32:10 PM PST by r-q-tek86 (It isn't settled because it isn't science)
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To: r-q-tek86
Honestly, until this post I have not given one minute's attention to the truthers. ( Really.)

That the article claimed there were 1000 architects and engineers that wanted another ( or more thorough) examination attracted my notice.

There are always a few nuts in any organization. I know there are in my professional association.

117 posted on 02/22/2010 12:35:09 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Army Air Corps

ewwwww


118 posted on 02/22/2010 1:06:46 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: machogirl

Look at him. Frankenstein was more animated. ;-)


119 posted on 02/22/2010 1:09:17 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

:)


120 posted on 02/22/2010 1:10:05 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: EternalVigilance
What did I miss?

I read the whole article before I posted too. You didn't miss anything. It's pure truther crap. What in the world is the WA Times thinking, I wonder.

121 posted on 02/22/2010 1:55:53 PM PST by lonevoice (If Fox News is the only outlet reporting it, did it really happen?)
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To: lakeprincess
I don't know the engineering, but I know (or knew) an engineer...

I post this at least once every September, when the "where were you on 9/11" threads appeear...

"I was home, recovering from a work injury. I had got in the habit of doing internet while watching Fox and Friends, though I hadn’t found FR yet.

"I was watching when E.D. Hill said that there was news of a small plane hitting the WTC, and the reportage of this “accident” continued until the second plane went in. I knew, then, and I think so did everyone else. I called my mother, who lives elsewhere in the state, after the second plane to get her to turn on the TV, and we called back and forth a couple of times during the morning.

"My sister, who lived in Finland at the time, was visiting our mother; they had just been to visit me, and my sister had brought one of her Finnish friends to try to match up with me (it didn’t take, and she and I are happily wed to others today), and they were back at Mom’s, getting ready to fly back to Finland on the 12th (which obviously didn’t happen...they got out 3 or 4 days later).

"This friend was a structural engineer by trade. During either the first or second call, before it happened, she said “those buildings will fall; they cannot stand.” We asked “how will they fall?” Fearing for those caught under them falling like trees. “Probably straight down,” she said. So when it happened we were not terribly surprised, and I was immunized against all of the “deliberate demolition” conspiracy theories before they appeared."

122 posted on 02/22/2010 2:48:08 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Talk To The Hand-- Palin 2012)
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To: hennie pennie; Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
Thanks hennie pennie, and for this part-and-parcel thanks Ernest: Apologists for jihadists are pro-jihad.
123 posted on 02/22/2010 6:29:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Larry Lucido

It was 1993.


124 posted on 02/22/2010 6:34:54 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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