Posted on 02/23/2010 8:57:15 AM PST by publius321
From the time that they created this nation, until your libertine side started gaining more and more power in the 20th century.
Well since “my side” consists of strict constitutional constructionists and since the only government spending we view as legitimate is that authorized in Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, what is it there that you consider libertine?
The boomers were our last great warrior generation.
Almost 9.5 million served, they gave us a fighting force in Vietnam that was mostly volunteer fighting men instead of the primarily draftees that fought WWII and Korea.
Those boomer volunteers never lost a major battle in Vietnam, they were unbeatable on the battle field but their dads and grandfathers that ran the nation sold them down the river and even ran a Hollywood, TV, and News industry that mocked them.
I'm not sure what a "social libertarian" is or why you think I am one. I'll answer to libertarian and that requires no modifier. The only thing I stand for in terms of politics is the U.S. Constitution and the only thing I require from politicians is that they follow it.
I'm not talking about your fantasy of who you are and the perfect purity of your cause in fantasy, theories land.
I mean who your side is in the real world, the libertarian view and the most radical leftists views are in sync on destroying the fabric of America and it's culture, and the left has made enormous gains in it's pursuit of libertarianism in the social culture, especially since the 1960s with the foundation laid in the 1930s to the 60s.
Libertarian Party Platform:
Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political borders”.
Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.
Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.
Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.
Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.
Advertising drugs, prostitution, pornography; zero restrictions.
Military Strength; minimal capabilities.
In the "real world" Ron Paul and Saul Alinski are as far apart as you can get. If you think they're interchangeable, you are deluded.
As far as political parties go I don't belong to the LP. I understand the Republican party has a balanced budget platform. How's that working out for you?
The radical left and partly leftist libertarians share the same goal of ending and erasing the social conservatism of America, they have made huge gains in that battle in the last 80 years, especially since the 1960s.
If I understand you correctly you cheer many of those gains, isn’t that correct? Please try a yes or no answer before you go into your explanations of why you are different than the libertines that share your goals and cheer those same advances.
The ironic thing is, the gays march out and proud at the Dublin St. Pat’s Parade. They even have drag queens, I believe.
The boomers also gave us a GOP congress, and provided the margin of victory for Reagan. "Greatest Generation" voters gave us the Great Society, decades of liberal Dem control in the house and Senate, and a bloated bureaucracy that will likely never be partially rolled back.
More boomers served in uniform than carried a protest sign. This is lost on many, but not on this Gen Xer.
“What a crock. Government spending for : Faith Base Initiatives, expansion of Ed. Dept. (No child left behind), prescription drugs, massive increases in spending vs. GDP, bailouts galore. All under Bush. Fiscal conservatives? Spare me.”
No, spare us. “Social conservatives” (i.e. decent, God fearing people people who have a clue about the intent of our founding fathers aside from a couple jefferson and Franklin quotes taken out of context on which the fallacies you left winged Republicans depend) rejected the litany of Bush policies you put forward as well.
Look at what was done to the second amendment before boomers got the reins of power.
Boomers reversed the anti gun rights movement of the previous 50 years that had almost ended the right to even own a gun for millions of Americans. NOW is in shambles, the NAACP is hardly heard from anymore, the ACLU is weaker than ever, the NEA is weaker, the Supreme Court is better than the 1960s.
The boomers didn’t and couldn’t and can’t undo all that the “greatest generations” did to this nation, for one thing the GGs gave us the 1965 Immigration Act which means that we can never become what we were, but the boomers have slowed the damage and they have reversed much of it.
I honestly have no idea what group this is supposed to be. Examples?
If I understand you correctly you cheer many of those gains, isn’t that correct? Please try a yes or no answer
Since you didn't list anything specific I can't tell what you mean. But here is a partial list of things our government has given us in the last 80 years that I oppose: The New Deal, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, BATFE, The 1968 GCA, The Department of Education, The Department of Energy, HUD, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, The Great Society, The War on Drugs, Bailouts for Banks and Autos, Roe v. Wade, Kelo v. City of New London
Support: 80s Deregulation, PATCO firing, Welfare reform
“..had nothing to do with the Bush years. Whatever. But I would think now that the budgetary house is burning down (in part because of the spending that occurred in the eight years prior to Obama) and that the obvious problem is continuous massive government spending, that you would have more important things to worry about than gays in the party.” - Poison Pill
I was a Keyes supporter and although I knew he wouldn’t win, the last person on my list would have been McCain and second to the last was George W. Bush.
You mean you don't believe they happened or you don't believe they were bad.
Post 45 is a leftist agenda, and the liberal/libertarians have attained a huge amount of success in fulfilling that 1960s agenda.
“I was there & homosexuality was not a theme.”
Were you part of the crowd yelling at this young man?
“That being said it would be better if the Government got out of Marriage law all together with the only service the government providing being the recording of said contracts, and negotiation when a contract is canceled.”
I advanced such an idea here not many weeks ago. I don’t even consider it libertarian but conservative on both small government and social issue points.
“In fact, it is almost ALWAYS the case that when some Republican or group of Republicans vote to backstab conservatives and conservative principles, the culprits come from the wing of the Party that just so happens to be socially liberal. There’s always a “pragmatic” reason why they “have” to take a non-conservative route with those folks.
No thanks. Not interested.”
Amen brother Titus. I have responded to this one a few times as well but you know as well as I do that with these leftiwinged dogmatic types, we are literally casting perls before swine. It is uselss to even try with this guy.
His name is quite fitting because he represents the faction that absolutely has been a “poison pill” to the GOP. Thankfully the base of the GOP appears to be regurgitating them, hpefully not too late.
As the scripture says; I wish thou were hot or cold but because thou art lukewarm, I will spue thee out of thy mouth.
>> “That being said it would be better if the Government got out of Marriage law all together with the only service the government providing being the recording of said contracts, and negotiation when a contract is canceled.”
I advanced such an idea here not many weeks ago. I don’t even consider it libertarian but conservative on both small government and social issue points. <<
The move government controls, the less freedom we have.
Just like in welfare, they created a system that favors single moms and they are shocked, shocked I tell you that gambling is going on..... I mean shocked that there was an increase of Single Moms with many childrens.....
They use marriage to tax us or to not tax us and buy our votes. Too much control. Taxes for instance, I think they should treat everyone as a single individual and there should be no more Joint filing forms, because they use it as a form of control (political and lifestyle) over us.
Remove any Marriage penalty / enticement and decrease the income tax or get rid of it all together and replace it with a Fair Tax or Flat Tax.
Oh, it's fair. FR was ground zero for Bush support. A very few bristled at "compassionate conservatism" but most lived with it. The few that objected to the spending and programs were quickly shouted down. Ever read the Daily Dose threads back then? Yikes!
you pseudo-conservatives
Again with the undefined, made up titles. What's with that? I'm a libertarian and I've made my beliefs clear here.
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