Skip to comments.Clever Legislators in Arizona Hit on New Way to Find Obama’s Birth Truth
Posted on 02/25/2010 9:41:28 PM PST by bogusname
I cant speak for all of you out there reading this, but I sure do get a lot of concurrence from the readers of CFP articles regarding the absolute necessity to establish the validity of one Barack Hussein Obamas status as a natural born citizen of the United States in accordance with the requirements as set down in Article 2 of the U. S. Constitution; Glenn Beck and Bill OReilly notwithstanding.
It seems that with each passing day more news is presented of cases of challenges from every corner of this country. Many of these cases have met with Judicial intransigence from the lethargic or shady decisions of many judges at many levels of our society all the way up the chain of command. But even so, there always seems to be some still pending a full hearing of even an open discussion which gives me, at least, the feeling of whats going on with this birth business?
But as in life in these ever surprising United States, every now and then a bright light suddenly shines on a brilliant new attempt to solve a riddle or stalemate.
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Is this a law yet or does it have to go through the AZ Senate then get signed by the AZ Governor? This needs to be a priority and we need it in at least 5 states.
If he tries to go around it there needs to be lawsuits immediately.
big ping for Arizona!
Ping - Canadian Free Press Article
AFAIK, this is not a law yet. Still has to be voted on.
They are putting it on the November 2010 ballot. The people of Arizona get to approve it.
sorry if this sounds too easy and excuse my ignorance, but coming from left field, why dont we sue the Democratic reps who certified their candidate in each state or at least a red state as to how they certified Mr Obama as eligable. Surely they will need to prove his eligability in a court or face sanction for certifying somebody ineligable. If they didnt they deserve it, and if they cant that will open the can of worms.
The answer is in Loving County, Texas.
However, the Birthers do not really want to get to the answer.
But why would anyone be against such a reasonable law, especially a President who was certifiably born in Hawaii?
I think a couple of people sued the Secretary of State in their jurisdictions. Unfortunately the courts threw out the cases on grounds that mere voters lacked the standing to bring lawsuits. I believe this is why Orly Taitz has been doing stuff with Alan Keyes, because as a competitor to Obama, he has standing.
Thanks, and Hi Danny, I aint heard from you in awhile. :-)
I really like this bill it should be the law in every state, trusting Federal employees to enforce their own chains(the Federal Constitution) is like expecting a criminal to voluntarily follow the law.
Like it or not checks and balances requires that someone else do the verifying, and as the state controls the ballot, as well as it’s electors, what government is more ideally suited for the task?
We need to get passed this idea that there are actually “federal elections” there are NO Federal Elections in the United States peroid, there never have been and God willing there never will be.
Every election in the United States is practically and technically a State and/or local Election for State or local officials.
The State’s Senators are State officials, the Federal House of reps are State Federal reps, your vote for president as you know is a vote for the State’s electors. There are NO Federal elections in the United States in which the people take part.
wow one vote elects somebody but you have no standing if you feel there has been fraud in that election, so really your vote only counts in the election not if there are questions about that election
i cant believe that applying to be the most powerful person in the most powerful nation on earth doesnt even require you to prove who you are or if you actually qualify for the job, if this wasnt so crazy?????? fact is always stranger than fiction, write a story you wouldnt believe it , oh yes i think we already did that/.
When I first heard of this in 2008, I thought “tinfoil hat”, but when I see BHO spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on the issue in 2008 when 15 bucks would settle the whole thing, I became a birther.
Hey, I liked your post so much I read it twice. LOL
I’m still around. Perhaps not posting as much as I used to, but still here.
Precisely. Can you believe we have a federal election commission that obsesses about where candidates get their money but does nothing to enforce the Constitutional requirements to run for the presidency?
Too many loopholes. It has to be very specific and has to be required before the primaries or they do not get on the ballot.
Is that where Ubanga was born?
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parents marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0's SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.
24 Why did Barack Obama resign from the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why did Michelle Obama resign from the Illinois bar after only about four years of practice and where are all of the relevant documents?
Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.
Why would anyone spend $2 million for lawyers defending if a $20 bill for the birth certificate to the State of Hawaii would solve the issue? Just weird. “”
Actually you’d get $8 change from a $20 for an original BC request ...
Maybe that’s the change he was talking about???
When I first heard of this in 2008, I thought tinfoil hat, but when I see BHO spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on the issue in 2008 when 15 bucks would settle the whole thing, I became a birther.””
I assume you are referring to the issue with the State Democratic Party Chairperson in Texas?
Whether you consider yourself a “Birther” or not, aren’t you all just a bit curious as to what facts are on his original long form birth certificate that are worth millions of dollars to keep secret?
I want answers to the hidden records. By hiding all of this info it just makes me wonder even more. He needs to answer any questions about his life that have to do with being born here & can affect his being president.
Saving your list too. Thanks
Yes, and I can’t understand why more Americans aren’t bothered by the obvious fact he needs to hide it.
This is a setup, a red herring, and this thread is supporting Obama. Chief Justice Marshall said, citing Vattel, a natural born citizen is “born in the country of citizen parents”. It is both that simple, and the culmination of a long effort to degrade the role of our Constitution. Dozens of efforts to change Article II Section 1 have failed and the progressives couldn't wait for another package like Barack. The birth certificate is a designed distraction. Barry never told us he was a natural born citizen. He said “I am a native born U.S. citizen” and I believe he is. A native born citizen is not a natural born citizen unless both parents are citizens when the child is born. Unless he lied about his father, Obama is illigitimate. If you are not part of his team, learn about the real issue, the issue about which there is nothing to discover, nothing hidden. If you are an Obama supporter, ask yourself if you will want the results you are helping to sustain.
$12 bucks and the BC issue goes away.
So he should just show a real b/c & make all this go away eh? And while he is at it tell us the reasons we can’t see the info on the rest of your list!
The rest of the list is a separate question.
He should answer them IMO.
> However, the Birthers do not really want to get to the answer.
Why is that, dawg?
Has the COLB ever actually appeared in Court before?
I think you are funny and smart. What you lack is wisdom. To say that Obama is native born and then support it with “I believe he is” betrays your allegiance. I submit that it is you who is working for Obama and it is you who is trying to distract us. It’s a smooth ploy. Quoting the Constitution and pretending to be it’s staunch defender while you persuade your readers to take a less likely path for success is pretty slick but I’m not buying it. You’re full of bull and you are either a talking head or a troll.
We are not trying to distract anyone. We simply want him to show his birth certificate. It’s not brain surgery. The one who is trying to sound deep and intelligent is you because you are pushing hype. Obama does the same thing. I’m just pushing common sense.
If you were legitimate you would have no problem pusuing both avenues. Perhaps you are just a lazy defender of the Constitution and you have only enough energy to tackle one task at a time. If that’s your problem I apologize but let me suggest you get some exercise.
The answer is in Loving Country, Texas which has a population of 67 people. Of those 67 people, only 54 are of voting age.
Therefore, all the Birthers need to do is to have 28 people move and establish residency on Loving County.
Of those 28 people, one must run for Prosecutor and another for a judicial post.
Once the Birthers of Loving County have elected a prosecutor, that prosecutor can impanel a Grand Jury and Indict Obama. From there, they can take Obama to trial in the Loving Country Courthouse and perhaps convict the president.
Instead, the Birthers send their money to Orly Taitz who has not exactly had a great deal of success in the American court system, and has now requested that the United Nations step in and take control of the American Legal System.
And while I am not a legal scholar like Ms. Taitz, I am guessing that my Loving County plan would be somewhat more effective for the Birthers than Orly’s plan to call in UN Troops with the Blue Helmets.
Have mercy...I only have two more years left on my mortgage. LOL
It is not law yet. It's making it's way through the state senate.
The other day, on conservative talk radio (KFYI), the 4-7PM host (who replaced J.D. Hayworth), was whining about how the state should not get involved in a federal issue. I won't mention the host's name but he sucks.
Could Republican and Democratic parties in each state require a presidential candidate to present his long form birth certificate---he could be required to attach it to his application form in each state---BEFORE he could put his name on the presidential primary ballot?
That is, I don't see how state and federal lawmakers could object to how political parties decide who can and who cannot put their names on primary ballots.
My point is this: If political parties passed their own rules that required presidential candidates to present their long form birth certificates before the candidates could put their names on the primary ballot, then we might NOT need state lawmakers to pass questionable and possibly unconstitutional laws that require presidential candidates to present long form birth certificates before they could put their names on the November 2012 presidential ballot.
Yes. In my opinion, the political party primary is the key first place to require a presidential candidate to present a long form birth certificate.
As I see it, it may be too late---and maybe even unconstitutional---for a state to wait until a presidential candidate applies to put his name on the November 2012 presidential ballot before requiring a presidential candidate to present his long form birth certificate.
So to be safe and to make sure that a presidential candidate is required to publicly present his long form birth certificate, let's look at the political party presidential primary as the first key place to demand presidential candidates to present their long form birth certificates.
Thanks for that idea. I’ll assume you are sincere. However, I think your plan is seriously flawed. It supposes that you can trust Democrats.
My suggestion was suing all the Secretaries of States for not doing their own due diligence and just believing Nancy Pelosi. Sue the 365 electoral college members who voted for the perp for conspiracy to commit federal election fraud...one of them might crack. Yes it is that easy.
Spaulding is correct. The issue is not ‘native born’, it is ‘natural born’.
The whole point of having a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ qualification for US President is here:
The long form ‘Certification of Live Birth’ is merely a technicality to get at the real issue.
Once again, this leaves nothing to dispute the fact that he is refusing to show his birth certificate. It’s illogical to think that fighting one wrong conflicts the righting of the other wrong. You can pursue one if you like or you may pursue both but to choose one and then combat the other is to put yourself on Obama’s side. A house divided cannot stand.
It’s not clear where you are coming from.
Even if Obama shows or is forced to show his long form birth certificate, if it exists, let’s say it does, then he still has to face the fact that he is not a ‘natural-born’ citizen as it is defined by those that wrote the Constitution.
Spaulding and I are not arguing that he should not show his birth certificate, we are arguing past that. If he has a BC, he needs to show it qualifies him for the Presidency by showing two citizens on the BC were his biological parents.
As far as I know Obama could have been adopted and is not even a native-born citizen. But if chance he was native-born, then he seems not to be natural-born and that is the real issue.
And keep in mind that a lot of folks don’t even know the difference between native-born and natural-born. So Spaulding is doing a service by educating those reading that the real issue is natural-born, not native-born. And yes you have to get the long-form BC to determine natural-born status, so Spaulding is on the same page; he’s just saying don’t end the inquiry if a long-form is produced because the long-form is not the issue, it’s what’s on the long-form, namely the citizenship status of the mother and father.