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Rush Holt calls for anthrax probe
trentonian ^ | March 3, 2010

Posted on 03/03/2010 11:19:21 AM PST by Justice Department

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To: EdLake

A centrifuge is incapable of incubating anthrax spores. Fail.


21 posted on 03/05/2010 11:03:37 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
There was no anthrax letter in Florida. Evidence. Evidence. Evidence.

1. Evidence: The letter left a trail of spores in postal facilities from Trenton to Florida, first going to the post office that had served the closed offices of the Enquirer, from where it was forward to AMI in Boca Raton.

2. Evidence: The strain of anthrax is identical to that used in the New York and Washington DC mailings.

3. Evidence: Stephanie Dailey remembers opening a letter that contained powder. She opens the mail addressed to the Enquirer.

4. Evidence: Stephanie Dailey tested positive for exposure to anthrax.

5. Evidence: The area around Stephanie Dailey's desk was the most contaminated area in the building.

6. Evidence: The building was thoroughly contaminated. The idea that this could have happened as a result of traces of anthrax on money is preposterous.

7. Evidence: Ernesto Blanco delivered the mail. He contracted anthrax.

8. Evidence: The letter that Stephanie Dailey opened arrived at the time a letter mailed together with the New York letters would have arrived.

Do you have any evidence at all to support your theory? Or do you feel that your beliefs are evidence and override all facts which dispute your beliefs?

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

22 posted on 03/05/2010 1:36:10 PM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake

You keep mentioning a Florida “letter,” but there wasn’t one.

Still isn’t. You are pretending that a letter exists that never did.

Weak.


23 posted on 03/05/2010 1:38:31 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
A centrifuge is incapable of incubating anthrax spores. Fail.

A centrifuge isn't used to incubate bacteria. It's used to purify spores after the bacteria turn into spores.

Incubation of the bacteria is done either in a flask or in a Petri dish. It could have been done in a fermenter, but fermenters are only used for much larger quantities.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

24 posted on 03/05/2010 1:40:33 PM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake
"Incubation of the bacteria is done either in a flask or in a Petri dish."

Neither petri dishes nor flasks will turn living bacteria into the dormant spores required for an inhalation attack.

Thus, you are missing the equipment to go from bacteria to spore.

25 posted on 03/05/2010 1:55:37 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Neither petri dishes nor flasks will turn living bacteria into the dormant spores required for an inhalation attack.

I don't think it's a good idea for me to educate you on basic microbiology, but I'll respond just this one last time.

The growing bacteria in a Petri dish will continue to grow as long as they have food. When they run out of food, they'll form spores and become dormant until they detect the presence of food once again.

In fact, because Bacillus anthracis bacteria are incapable of movement, the bacteria in the middle of a colony will run out of food pretty quickly and form spores while the bacteria at the edge of the colony will continue to grow and reproduce.

When all the food is gone, every bacterium that was able to do so will have turned into a spore.

It all happens in a Petri dish in a couple days.

Click HERE for an illustration of this process which I created a few years ago.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

26 posted on 03/05/2010 2:15:24 PM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake
Nope.

"It is extremely difficult to use anthrax for germ warfare. First of all, it is very difficult to cause the bacterium to make the spores that have to be inhaled. Second, there are two type of anthrax spore powder: wet and dry. Only the dry type can travel far and wide and infect many people, and it is extremely difficult to make and keep the dry anthrax spores."

http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/9494.html

27 posted on 03/05/2010 2:25:53 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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"As a result, a consensus has emerged in recent months among experts familiar with the technology needed to turn anthrax spores into the deadly aerosol that was sent to Sens. Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) that some of the fundamental assumptions driving the FBI's investigation may be flawed.

"In my opinion, there are maybe four or five people in the whole country who might be able to make this stuff, and I'm one of them," said Richard O. Spertzel, chief biological inspector for the U.N. Special Commission from 1994 to 1998. "And even with a good lab and staff to help run it, it might take me a year to come up with a product as good."" http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28334-2002Oct27?language=printer

28 posted on 03/05/2010 2:31:39 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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"The profile was issued three weeks after U.S. Army scientists had examined the Daschle spores and found them to be 1.5 to 3 microns in size and processed to a grade of 1 trillion spores per gram -- 50 times finer than anything produced by the now-defunct U.S. bioweapons program and 10 times finer than the finest known grade of Soviet anthrax spores. A micron is a millionth of a meter.

"Just collecting this stuff is a trick," said Steven A. Lancos, executive vice president of Niro Inc., one of the leading manufacturers of spray dryers, viewed by several sources as the likeliest tool needed to weaponize the anthrax bacteria. "Even on a small scale, you still need containment. If you're going to do it right, it could cost millions of dollars."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28334-2002Oct27?language=printer

29 posted on 03/05/2010 2:36:10 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
I think we've reached the end of our discussion.

Going back to what people mistakenly believed in 2002 and ignoring all the information that has been learned in all the years since then is not a reasonable argument.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

30 posted on 03/06/2010 8:57:37 AM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake

You could have saved a lot of trouble by simply admitting that Ivins didn’t have access to a spray dryer.


31 posted on 03/06/2010 10:17:22 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
There's no reason to believe that a spray dryer was used to create the attack anthrax - regardless of who did it.

You're just grabbing at straws.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

32 posted on 03/06/2010 10:46:27 AM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake

Inhalation anthrax is the reason to believe that a spray dryer was required, contrary to your uninformed rants and pleas to the contrary.


33 posted on 03/06/2010 11:44:39 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
People have died from inhalation anthrax for countless centuries without anyone ever using a spray dryer.

One hundred and twenty-four years ago, in 1876, Robert Koch published his findings about why people in wool sorting factories were dying of inhalation anthrax. His findings didn't have anything to do with spray dryers.

Less than 3 years ago, a man in England died of inhalation anthrax after handing dried animal hides.

In 2006, there was another case of inhalation anthrax involving a drum maker who lived in New York City. He survived.

Your arguments are becoming just plain silly.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

34 posted on 03/06/2010 1:10:07 PM PST by EdLake
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"In 2006, there was another case of inhalation anthrax involving a drum maker who lived in New York City. He survived."

Indeed. One person with extensive, prolonged, intimate contact with a contaminated hyde...4 years ago.

In contrast, weaponized anthrax is capable of infecting dozens of people in a single day.

The world isn't frightened of contaminated animal skins. Why? Because the transmission of anthrax from them is a low-odds event.

In contrast, spray-dried anthrax spores can cause national panic.

And until you find the spray dryer, you haven't found the anthrax terrorists.

35 posted on 03/06/2010 2:15:27 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
You arguments have become absurd.

The anthrax attacks didn't infect "dozens of people in a single day." They infected 21 people in a period of about three months. 5 of the 21 died. The first infection was on September 22, the last was on November 14, 2001.

They died because there was a LOT of spores were released in a NUMBER of places. It had nothing to do with any spray dryer. It had to do with the NUMBER OF SPORES released and NUMBER OF PLACES where the spores were released.

End of discussion.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

36 posted on 03/06/2010 2:55:33 PM PST by EdLake
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To: EdLake

The high infection rates have everything to do with a spray dryer weaponizing anthrax spores.

No spray dryer being found means that the anthrax terrorists haven’t been found.


37 posted on 03/06/2010 2:57:19 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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