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Liz Cheney Accused of McCarthyism
cbsnews.com ^ | March 5, 2010 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 03/06/2010 4:36:28 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney and co-founder of the advocacy group Keep America Safe, is being criticized on the right for going too far in an ad deeming Justice Department lawyers who represented Guantanamo Bay detainees the "al-Qeada seven" and calling for their identities to be revealed.

After Paul Mirengoff posted on the conservative Power Line blog that "it is entirely inappropriate to suggest that these lawyers share the values of terrorists or to dub the seven DOJ lawyers 'The al Qaeda Seven,'" the Huffington Post reached out to him for further comment.

"It could be worse than some of the assertions made by McCarthy, depending on some of the validity of those assertions," Mirengoff said. "It is just baseless to suggest that [these DoJ officials] share al Qaeda values... they didn't actually say it but I think it was a fair implication of what they were saying."

(Mirengoff wrote after his comments were posted that "the quotes themselves are accurate, but I think the characterization of what I said is somewhat misleading," writing "I don't think I said or implied that the video is comparable to or worse than the totality of what goes by the name of McCarthyism or to the 'crusades' launched by Sen. McCarthy.")

It was not the first time McCarthy had been raised in reference to the video. Ken Gude of the liberal Center for American Progress said the following, according to the Washington Monthly: "This is exactly what Joe McCarthy did. Not kind of like McCarthyism; this is exactly McCarthyism."

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1 posted on 03/06/2010 4:36:28 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
McCarthyism is one of the highest forms of patriotism.
2 posted on 03/06/2010 4:37:55 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

America could use a healthy dose of McCarthyism these days.


3 posted on 03/06/2010 4:38:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I just don’t understand the insult or shock value of “McCarthyism”.

He was right. That fact just keeps getting glossed over.
We need to do it again, only this time, FINISH THE JOB.


4 posted on 03/06/2010 4:40:54 PM PST by CrappieLuck
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To: pnh102

McCarthyism is one of the highest forms of patriotism.
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That was my thought as well. The only people who don’t like McCarthy’s attempts to protect our nation from the enemy, is the enemy.


5 posted on 03/06/2010 4:40:58 PM PST by DDLL
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To: Free ThinkerNY
McCarthy went after the communists trying to destroy our country. We the People are doing it now.

We're all McCarthys now!

6 posted on 03/06/2010 4:41:21 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (A proud American-American since 1949.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Paul Mirengoff ought to have known better than to misuse Joe McCarthy's name.

May I suggest that his Conservative credentials be pulled. In the future he will be dealt with like any other Leftwingtard, particularly one who has managed to out himself as a troll.

7 posted on 03/06/2010 4:42:08 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I think the ad is effective. I don’t know why Mirengoff is so sure that they don’t share the al-Qaida viewpoint. I think there is a fair chance that they do.


8 posted on 03/06/2010 4:42:13 PM PST by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: pnh102
"This is exactly what Joe McCarthy did. Not kind of like McCarthyism; this is exactly McCarthyism."

Kind of a moronic statement right there anyway. Wasn't Bobby Kennedy the top DOJ official at that time?
9 posted on 03/06/2010 4:43:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
We're all McCarthys now!

Even Gene McCarthy? LOL!

10 posted on 03/06/2010 4:43:51 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Any bets on how much empathy Paul Mirengoff and Ken Gude had for what Prop 8 supporters have endured? Oh, and Joe McCarthy has been vindicated by history.


11 posted on 03/06/2010 4:43:55 PM PST by VR-21 (Bring me my broadsword, and clear understanding. Bring me my cross of gold as a talisman.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Uhhhmmm...McCarthy was right.


12 posted on 03/06/2010 4:44:00 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Accusing someone of McCarthyism is itself McCarthyism.


13 posted on 03/06/2010 4:44:17 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Go, Liz! You’ve got them on the run.


14 posted on 03/06/2010 4:45:15 PM PST by Palladin (Dear Obama: "Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette!")
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To: All

Let it be known that the reality is the Kremlin files have proven McCarthy in large part correct.


15 posted on 03/06/2010 4:45:17 PM PST by rbmillerjr (I'm praying for Palin....if not I'll vote 4 conservatives...Mitt won't get my vote)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Didn’t Robert Kennedy work right along beside Joe McCarthy in fighting communism?


16 posted on 03/06/2010 4:45:50 PM PST by GloriaJane (Pro-Choice = Pro-Death........ Pro-Life = Pro-LIFE!)
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To: EGPWS

Yes, even Charlie McCarthy!


17 posted on 03/06/2010 4:45:59 PM PST by Palladin (Dear Obama: "Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette!")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Just like the expired Race Card (which is the next attack), McCarthyism is dead. Anyway McCarthy was right. Or has the Fascist forgot about the fall of the soviet Union and the truth was known.


18 posted on 03/06/2010 4:46:39 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Keep America Safe Executive Director Aaron Harison said :

” The American people have a right to know whether lawyers who used to represent terrorists,
including advocating for their immediate release,
are now working on detainee issues inside the Department of Justice,” he said.
“There was no ethical obligation on the part of these lawyers to come to the defense of the terrorists.
( Bingo ! )
Attorneys who chose to spend their pro bono hours defending terrorists, many of whom killed Americans,
did so voluntarily and that decision rightly raises questions about their judgment.
( Amen ! )
In our system of democracy, the American people have a right to hold a President accountable for the people he hires.”

Absolutely. I know Liz Cheney will not back down because she’s a Cheney.
Like her father , Keeping America Safe is her highest priority.
Something no one will ever say about Obama.


19 posted on 03/06/2010 4:50:18 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well, McCarthy was RIGHT, so if you’re going to do something.. GO WITH WHAT WORKS!!


20 posted on 03/06/2010 4:51:12 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (OBAMA ... Orwell's 1984 was a WARNING ... NOT a TEXTBOOK!!!)
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To: GloriaJane
Yes! I was right!.. From http://wwx2.tripod.com/mccarthy.html "John F. Kennedy told Harvard students that "he knew Joe pretty well, and he may have something." In February 1952, John Kennedy called McCarthy a "great American patriot." In 1953 Bobby Kennedy joined McCarthy's staff and McCarthy was godfather to Bobby's first child. Bobby was always loyal to Joe."

So when dems trash McCarthy, they should also point out that President Kennedy called him a "Great American Patriot" & Bobby Kennedy worked with him!

So when they trash McCarthy they trash two of their own.

21 posted on 03/06/2010 4:51:47 PM PST by GloriaJane (Pro-Choice = Pro-Death........ Pro-Life = Pro-LIFE!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

22 posted on 03/06/2010 4:53:25 PM PST by Taft in '52
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To: Palladin

They are really scared of Liz. I think they now realize that Palin is a joke, so now they are turning their attention to Liz, because they know she will be a much tougher opponent.


23 posted on 03/06/2010 4:54:26 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: CrappieLuck

SeeBS reporting on the accusers? Not surprised.

You can defend these scum but you can’t flip to the other side and make policy. Totally unethical.


24 posted on 03/06/2010 4:54:38 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jim Bunning we will miss you. Palin/Cheney 2012)
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To: GloriaJane

It was just a few years ago that we found that Fat Teddy was feeding info to the Soviets in a bid to unseat Carter. The fat SOB should have lived out his last few years in a federal prison over that alone.


25 posted on 03/06/2010 4:55:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
TAILGUNNER JOE-AMERICAN PATRIOT

26 posted on 03/06/2010 4:55:33 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: cripplecreek

Bobby Kennedy worked for the DOJ during the Truman administration and later served briefly as an attorney for McCarthy’s Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.


27 posted on 03/06/2010 4:57:45 PM PST by Taft in '52
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To: Taft in '52

Thank you.

Just more of the democrat’s selective history in action.


28 posted on 03/06/2010 4:59:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

You know, I read and hear so much vitriol from the Left akin to this with NOBODY in the MSM claiming they may have “gone too far” or finding people to offer a rebuke that I don’t think Liz should apologize to anyone.

Where was this media outrage when ELECTED members on the Left were calling our soldiers murderers and rapists? Where was their outrage when our soldiers were being accused of torture? Weren’t they just doing their jobs the best they could?

Don’t back down, Liz. Leak their names and let them be exposed.


29 posted on 03/06/2010 4:59:14 PM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Liz Cheney is the next generation of superstars for the Republican Party. I have been so impressed with her interviews on TV.

Naturally the Presstitutes want to attack and destroy her just like they did Dan Qualye, and are trying to do the Sarah Palin.

30 posted on 03/06/2010 5:00:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So, now McCarthyism applies to private citizens exercising their Freedom of Speech?


31 posted on 03/06/2010 5:00:47 PM PST by digger48
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To: dfwgator
“I think they now realize that Palin is a joke....”

Yes, that's why the the left has been totally ignoring Sarah. Perhaps you're the one who's a joke.

32 posted on 03/06/2010 5:04:50 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Fighting Obamas Stalinism with McCarthyism...I kind of like it...


33 posted on 03/06/2010 5:10:06 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Shove your ‘McCarthism’ charge up your fat arse, CBS.


34 posted on 03/06/2010 5:11:18 PM PST by skeeter
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To: bwc2221

Ditto that observation.


35 posted on 03/06/2010 5:18:58 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"It is just baseless to suggest that [these DoJ officials] share al Qaeda values... they didn't actually say it but I think it was a fair implication of what they were saying."

Why, yes, I think its fair to point out that the Left is generally sympathetic to jihadists.

I also think its fair to point out that the Left prefers to hold AQ blameless for 911 and to blame the United States. They waited maybe four hours after the 911 attacks to start blaming the US and really have never stopped.

And these lawyers in particular have fought to close Guantanamo, fought to put CIA on trial, fought to put Bush and Cheney on trial, fought to get AQ and Talibs released from prison, fought to get Bin Ladin's bodyguard released, and now want to be trusted to prosecute Americans. And to prosecute Al Qaeda after spending years defending them. No, no conflict of interest there.

These are the kind of monsters we've elected into the White House.

36 posted on 03/06/2010 5:23:40 PM PST by marron
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To: muawiyah

He never should have had conservative credentials. Here is what he does for a living:

Mr. Mirengoff received his A.B. summa cum laude in 1971 from Dartmouth College and his J.D. in 1974 from Stanford Law School, where he served on the Stanford Law Review. He is a contributor to the books Employment Discrimination Law by Schlei and Grossman and Sexual Harassment in Employment Law by Lindemann and Kadue, and the author of several law review articles in the field of employment law. He has also published a column about affirmative action in The Washington Post.


37 posted on 03/06/2010 5:29:30 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Rick Perry - TX Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 !)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Mabey we should have a “McCarthyism Party” as a third party. That would get their attention.


38 posted on 03/06/2010 5:29:46 PM PST by RC2
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To: Free ThinkerNY

McCarthyism= calling a Communist a Communist.


39 posted on 03/06/2010 5:31:16 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If McCarthyism is needed, Liz Cheney will do a better job of it than McCarthy himself.

She’s bright, knows her facts, calm, soft spoken, but wields a verbal gurka dagger when the Democrat interviewing her resorts to the usual name-calling tactic.


40 posted on 03/06/2010 5:35:42 PM PST by HardStarboard (ST)
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To: marron

i also think it’s fair to point out that these lawyers have a conflict of interest, at the very least, in DOJ - being on the side of prosecuting Al Qaeda, not defending it. that is the point.


41 posted on 03/06/2010 5:36:32 PM PST by avital2
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To: pnh102
McCarthyism is one of the highest forms of patriotism.

Pretty much:


"After printing rabidly venomous accounts of McCarthy for half a century based on zero research, liberals would only accept research presenting an alternative view of McCarthy that included, as the Los Angeles Times put it, at least the “pretense of scholarly throat-clearing and objectivity.”

This week, they got it. The great M. Stanton Evans has finally released Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies . Based on a lifetime's work, including nearly a decade of thoroughgoing research, stores of original documents and never-before-seen government files, this 672-page book ends the argument on Joe McCarthy. Look for it hidden behind stacks of Bill Clinton's latest self-serving book at a bookstore near you.

Evans’ book is such a tour de force that liberals are already preparing a “yesterday's news” defense — as if they had long ago admitted the truth about McCarthy.
-snip-
The true story of Joe McCarthy, told in meticulous, irrefutable detail in “Blacklisted by History,” is that from 1938 to 1946, the Democratic Party acquiesced in a monstrous conspiracy being run through the State Department, the military establishment, and even the White House to advance the Soviet cause within the U.S. government.


-snip-
Blacklisted by History proves that every conventional belief about McCarthy is wrong, including:

That he lied about his war service: He was a tailgunner in World War II;
— That he was a drunk: He would generally nurse a single drink all night;
— That he made the whole thing up: He produced loads of Soviet spies in government jobs;
— That he just did it for political gain: He understood perfectly the godless evil of communism"

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=219

42 posted on 03/06/2010 5:37:25 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: dfwgator
I think they now realize that Palin is a joke

Groan!
Trust the anti-Palin nuts to fight mightily to turn every single thread (even the ones that have absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with Sarah Paain), into a nasty anti-Palin thread.
Hey, why don't you go get a life?

43 posted on 03/06/2010 5:44:52 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: CrappieLuck

Much of what he said was covered in congressional hearings after WW2. It was there for anyone who was interested. ‘’Jouralists’’ ignored it.


44 posted on 03/06/2010 5:46:14 PM PST by Waco (Wanna buy an FBI file,,,See Hillary, she's got 900 of them.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Ha. When Liz Cheney uses the Left’s tactics against them, all of a sudden they squeal McCarthyism?


45 posted on 03/06/2010 6:03:07 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: Free ThinkerNY
it is entirely inappropriate to suggest that these lawyers share the values of terrorists or to dub the seven DOJ lawyers ‘The al Qaeda Seven,’”

No it is not.
Some of these Al Quaeda DOJ lawyers referred to the military tribunals as “kangaroo courts”.
Reality: Those military tribunals were passed into law by a bill in the congress in 2006.

Military Commissions Act of 2006
President George W. Bush signs into law S. 3930, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, during a ceremony on October 17, 2006 in the East Room of the White House.The United States Military Commissions Act of 2006[1], also known as HR-6166, was an Act of Congress[2] signed by President George W. Bush on October 17, 2006. Drafted in the wake of the Supreme Court's decision on Hamdan v. Rumsfeld,[3] the Act's stated purpose was “To authorize trial by military commission for violations of the law of war, and for other purposes.”[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act_of_2006

After suffering legal challenges from the loony left in court, the military tribunals were re-confirmed as valid and legal by the United States Supreme Court.

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-1195.pdf

Paul Mirengoff needs to get off the liberal Kool Aid.

46 posted on 03/06/2010 6:06:23 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney and co-founder of the advocacy group Keep America Safe, is being criticized on the right for going too far...

Ann Coulter, in one of her books, chronicles all the various libs who say "this time she's gone too far" in response to various columns or comments. Her defense of McCarthy was one of them.

The proof that Liz struck a "truth nerve" is being accused of going too far.

47 posted on 03/06/2010 6:07:00 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Monday, Oct. 16, 2006 11:18 a.m. EDT
Blind Sheik’s Lawyer: ‘I’m Not a Traitor.”
In a letter to the judge, civil rights lawyer Lynne Stewart proclaimed “I am not a traitor.”

She acknowledged that she zealously tried to save a blind Egyptian sheik from life in prison for plotting to blow up New York City landmarks. But she argued that the government’s characterization of her was wrong and took unfair advantage of the “hysteria that followed 9/11 and that was re-lived during the trial.”

On Monday, that judge was to decide whether Stewart, 67, should join her former client behind bars for enabling him to communicate with his followers. Prosecutors asked for the maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

Stewart was convicted in February 2005 of providing material support to terrorists. She had released a statement by Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, who she represented at his 1995 trial and who was sentenced to life in prison for plots to blow up five New York landmarks and assassinate Egypt’s president.

In court papers, prosecutors told U.S. District Judge John G. Koeltl that Stewart’s “egregious, flagrant abuse of her profession, abuse that amounted to material support to a terrorist group, deserves to be severely punished.”


48 posted on 03/06/2010 6:16:05 PM PST by pennboricua
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To: SmokingJoe; dfwgator
Fur shur an awful lot of the Palin haters look to be the sort who'd burn down her former church.

You'd think they'd be smart enough to not call attention to themselves.

49 posted on 03/06/2010 6:27:44 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: dfwgator

So you think Palin is a joke?Very telling.


50 posted on 03/06/2010 6:38:26 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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