Five Myths about Same Sex Marriage

Townhall.com ^ | March 9, 2010 | Janice Shaw Crouse

[Albion Wilde]

The reason inner city Philly is rotten (or at least one of the main reasons) is AFDC, along with food stamps, HUD and other bennies for unwed mothers.

Let's not forget the high taxes that drive out small business, lousy schools that drive out decent families, a culture of deep political corruption and cronyism, large Mafia presence, large and powerful gay lobby including City Council members -- and lest we forget, all Democrat mayors for the past 60 years.

[Albion Wilde]

We do not support the homosexual agenda here and THAT is not debatable. Those who don’t like it can take a fricken hike.

Relief -- just a click away! Yay!

[Albion Wilde]

Exactly, but how do you have an extended family to lean on when your brothers live in seattle, you live in the midwest and your parents live in the northeast? America's economy has, for the most part, moved to the cities and the economic opportunity can move from location to location quickly. How do you have an extended family in that context?

Join a church, Einstein.

[Albion Wilde]

It's not that simple. Modern conservatism has mutated considerably(you don't see many temperance leagues these days).
What I'm advocating is organizing political conservatism is a positive way as well as a negative one. Conservatism tends to argue that the church is the primary social element outside of the family for maintaining a stable and just society, but that's cold comfort to someone having to survive going past an inner-city "corner" every day.
It boils down to this, conservatism advocates a strong, cohesive society. That society is breaking apart and *modern conservatism* doesn't offer a coherent vision on how to solve those problems. I think it might be interesting to have a coherent *voluntary* view of what sort of activities would make society stronger given modern day problems.

With all due respect, you seem to have absorbed the street-corner mentality that all social problems are the result of governments and/or the church; therefore these institutions and everything they stand for were never any good to begin with and should be discarded or altered for "new" times.

You should read the real history of the civil rights movement, in which communist anarchists deliberately -- and with an inconscionable willingness to lie -- took aim at all the strengths of American society, including religion, family, morality, and traditional common law, starting as early as the post Civil War era, but gaining momentum under FDR and starting to turn the tide their way in the 60s with the proliferation of affluence and mass communications. For you to blame the hapless victims of this assault -- the trusting average citizen who still believes "up" means "up" and "down" means "down" -- is churlish and misinformed.

It will take a social revolution for persons of good conscience to renovate this society and return it to balanced civility; but that has happened in our own country before, and in other countries as well, once enough people caught on to the motivations of the liars in public life. There is simply no public substitute for private morality grounded in faith. Yours needs a check-up.

To paraphrase an old sage, "a forest can only look green if most of the trees are green." You are the one who has to change your opinion of eternal moral values and the imperfect human institutions that labor to uphold them. You are the one who has to stop criticizing and start working to turn things back around. You are the one who has to accept the primacy of God's natural law and stop rejecting it because it has been attacked and victimized.

[Albion Wilde]

Relying on gubberment to defend something as important as marriage hasn’t worked, at least in my opinion.

Ransomed, I believe I may not be the only freeper who finds your babytalk spelling of government an automatic discount on anything else you may be trying to say. In some posts, you repeat this little self-amusement time after time. Wouldn't you rather sit at the grownups' table?

[Albion Wilde]

...no one has found anything harmful that lesbians do.

They have higher rates of both obesity and domestic abuse than straights, and many participate in the hypersexualized rituals of their gay "brothers", such as f*sting and the ritualistic initiation of underage children.

And while I object to the anecdotal evidence often offered on these threads, do allow me to add that I was acquainted in a business context with a lesbian -- a relationship that was made between her and my company by a higher-up. The gay woman was an executive of a major U.S. city. She openly boasted that she appointed no-one but gays and lesbians to her department. Apparently there were no heterosexuals willing to sue to achieve "inclusion."

[Ransomed]

“Ransomed, I believe I may not be the only freeper who finds your babytalk spelling of government an automatic discount on anything else you may be trying to say. In some posts, you repeat this little self-amusement time after time. Wouldn’t you rather sit at the grownups’ table?”

Sorry, I’ll try to do better with that.

Freegards

[Albion Wilde]

Don’t fall into the marriage license trap.... To say that marriage isn’t any of the government’s business is the same as saying that ALL laws regarding marriage should be ignored and this would include polygamy, incest and the marriage of children.

I am not saying that at all. I am entirely in favor of marriage licensing between one man and one woman at a time. I am also in favor of licensing being denied in cases that the SCOTUS seems to think are civil rights -- see post 212.

[wagglebee]

I know you aren’t, but that IS the trap that many on here would like us to fall into.

[Albion Wilde]

Bless you!

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

Amen.G-d meant marriage to be between a man and a woman only,and the same goes for child-rearing.

[little jeremiah]

There are many, many great comments on this thread and this is one of the best.

This thread needs to get BTTT a lot.

Great, great comments.

[In veno, veritas]

Is your thesis available? I'd like to see the case just to read the reasoning/dissent. It probably exists, and establishes a new “stare decisis” after trampling on thousands years of precedent.