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Lindsey Graham denounces Liz Cheny advertisement
Politico ^ | 3/9/10 | Lisa Lerer

Posted on 03/09/2010 1:37:16 PM PST by pissant

South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham denounced a recent ad questioning the loyalty of Obama administration lawyers who had previously represented suspected terrorists.

The ad — run by Liz Cheney's group Keep American Safe — derided the unidentified appointees as the "Al Qaeda 7” asking "Whose values do they share?"

“A defense attorney who is making the government do their job regardless of the nature of the case is making this whole country a better place,” said Graham, a military lawyer who’s currently a senior instructor at the Air Force JAG School. “I represented people as a defense attorney in the military that were charged with some pretty horrific acts and I gave them my all.”

Graham wants the White House to move the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other alleged 9/11 plotters from civilian courts into a revamped military commissions.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: ads; alqaeda; keepamericansafe; lindseygraham; lizcheney; mccainbuttsniffer; milkaholic; nancygraham
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I'd vote for Lindsey Lohan over this idiot.
1 posted on 03/09/2010 1:37:16 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Lindsay has her panties in a bunch?


2 posted on 03/09/2010 1:37:53 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: pissant

One GOPer has already come out of the closet this week, might as well make it a doubleheader.


3 posted on 03/09/2010 1:38:52 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: pissant

I guess Liz’s advertisement is too butch for Lindsey. Who knew?


4 posted on 03/09/2010 1:38:54 PM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: pissant

Conservatives Denounce Lindsey Grahamnesty.


5 posted on 03/09/2010 1:39:00 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: ConservativeMind

Lindsay Graham is really a teenage girl.


6 posted on 03/09/2010 1:39:34 PM PST by unkus
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To: dfwgator

Which one?


7 posted on 03/09/2010 1:39:39 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Graham Cracker


8 posted on 03/09/2010 1:40:05 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: pissant
Lawyers of a feather stick together!

What an A-Hole!

9 posted on 03/09/2010 1:40:08 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: pissant

I’m starting to think the GOP has a learning disability.


10 posted on 03/09/2010 1:40:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: pissant

Why doesn’t it occur to Graham that Obama’s people appeared to go out of their way to recruit a cadre of lawyers who defended these scum?


11 posted on 03/09/2010 1:40:19 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: pissant

LOL


12 posted on 03/09/2010 1:40:33 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: pissant

Roy Ashburn, a Republican State Senator from CA.


13 posted on 03/09/2010 1:42:05 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: pissant

I think Senator Graham has met the shark!


14 posted on 03/09/2010 1:42:41 PM PST by ssaftler (Day 413: America Held Hostage.)
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To: dfwgator

Oh, the gay bar dude


15 posted on 03/09/2010 1:43:09 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

I denounce Lindsey Graham. When is his term up? SC can do a lot better.


16 posted on 03/09/2010 1:43:16 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: pissant

SOUTH CAROLINIANS!!!!

WAKE UP!!!

GOMER PYLE is representing you!!!! HE’s an IDIOT!!!

Vote him out of office!!!

Graham is McCain’s pointman on idiocy as the RINO in Chief is busy running for re-election in Arizona and he can’t make too much noise as people THERE might just wake up and remember what a creep he really is.


17 posted on 03/09/2010 1:43:40 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: pissant
Lindsey and Massa sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S-ING! Just sayin'!

When Linsey meets another woman stronger than her, err, him, his panties get in a bunch.

18 posted on 03/09/2010 1:43:58 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error!)
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To: pissant

Exuse me good people of South Carolina...but WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET RID OF THIS B*STARD!?


19 posted on 03/09/2010 1:43:58 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: pissant

So Nanacy Graham is at it again???? Ain’t it time he gets voted out of office????


20 posted on 03/09/2010 1:44:21 PM PST by the long march
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To: ConservativeMind
Lindsay has her panties in a bunch?

I guess so.
She is too scared her bf, the “clean, well spoken negro”, 0bama, might get his hair ruffled by Liz Cheney.

21 posted on 03/09/2010 1:45:49 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Liz is just a tough as her dad AND mom. They must be very proud of her.


22 posted on 03/09/2010 1:46:14 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: pissant

Don’t they have a litmus test for Republicans? If so how in the hell did he get in? Somebody left the tent flap open didn’t they?


23 posted on 03/09/2010 1:48:15 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: FrdmLvr

Next election, why?
By the way, you misspelled bastard.


24 posted on 03/09/2010 1:48:35 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: pissant
I suspect Graham represented the people he did because he was assigned to the case(s) by his superiors. Those who defended the Gitmo terrorists did so because they believe in some aspect of their cause. Either they sympathize with the terrorists tendencies or the want to express their dissatisfaction with the American justice system.

It's one thing to be part of a pool and know that part of your obligation to your profession is to provide the benefits of that profession to those who have a need of the services and can't afford it or can't find it otherwise.

25 posted on 03/09/2010 1:50:11 PM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: SeaHawkFan

Liz is just a tough as her dad AND mom. They must be very proud of her.

Okay....my point was Lindsey is a whinning poofter media firefly who cannot stay away from the network’s backporch light.


26 posted on 03/09/2010 1:51:04 PM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: pissant

When will Grahamnesty follow in the patent leather pump prints of Arlen Specter and just friggin’ LEAVE!!


27 posted on 03/09/2010 1:52:12 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: pissant

All JAGs and former JAGs are not to be trusted.


28 posted on 03/09/2010 1:52:19 PM PST by montag813
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

I was merely making a comment; not attempting to criticize you.


29 posted on 03/09/2010 1:52:39 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: pissant

Lindsey Graham describes himself as “Republican by day, Democrat by night.” I think he might be spending his nights with the ballerina. Maybe they cruise the showers together naked.


30 posted on 03/09/2010 1:56:21 PM PST by detective
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To: cripplecreek
"I’m starting to think the GOP has a learning disability."

They remind me of this guy...

Sharp as a bowling ball.

31 posted on 03/09/2010 1:58:10 PM PST by Semper Mark ("We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - AESOP)
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To: SeaHawkFan

I was merely making a comment; not attempting to criticize you.

Okay SeaHawkFan. A little confused by the comment. Go Redskins.


32 posted on 03/09/2010 1:58:49 PM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: pissant

I haven’t even seen it, but if he’s against it, I’m almost certainly for it.


33 posted on 03/09/2010 2:00:19 PM PST by nina0113
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To: pissant

I’d vote for the eTrade baby over linseed.


34 posted on 03/09/2010 2:01:21 PM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: pissant

I can’t believe we blinked and let this guy get re-elected. Now we have to wait another four years to throw him out.


35 posted on 03/09/2010 2:02:09 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: pissant
If for no other reason, I like Liz for the enemies she attracts.

I'd vote for Lindsey Lohan over this idiot.

(For anyone who hasn't seen the new E-Trade baby commercial featuring the "Milkaholic Lindsey" find it on YouTube...very funny.)

36 posted on 03/09/2010 2:02:27 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: jwparkerjr

” Those who defended the Gitmo terrorists did so because they believe in some aspect of their cause.
Either they sympathize with the terrorists tendencies or the want to express their dissatisfaction with the American justice system. “

That’s exactly what a lawyer friend said to me yesterday.
They didn’t just defend terrorists-they sympathize with their cause.


37 posted on 03/09/2010 2:04:34 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: pissant

The problem with Liz’ ad is that some of Bush’s DOJ also defended accused terrorists. If we attack the current DOJ we will be asked why we didn’t attack Bush’s DOJ.


38 posted on 03/09/2010 2:05:48 PM PST by Dementio
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To: jwparkerjr
Those who defended the Gitmo terrorists...
Terrorists or accused terrorists?
39 posted on 03/09/2010 2:08:36 PM PST by Dementio
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To: pissant; alarm rider; Alex1977; at bay; Babsig; BILL_C; bnelson44; Clintonfatigued; DesScorp; ...
Lindsey, you REALLY need to sit down and shut the F**K up.

Cap and tax, criminal immigration, GITMO, now this. Damn! you are tiresome.

I would guess that you get your rocks off by royally pissing off conservatives.

Uber RINO Lindsey Ping
"Republican by day, Democrat by night."


Want on or off this ping list?
Just FReepmail me.

h/t to martin_fierro for the graphic

2014 can't get here soon enough.

40 posted on 03/09/2010 2:11:18 PM PST by upchuck (Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened.)
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To: pissant

Senator Graham Gets the Law Wrong ... Again [Andy McCarthy]

You can tell that the lawyers who’ve come to the aid of DOJ’s al Qaeda lawyers don’t have a coherent case. Every time they open their mouths, they embarrass themselves.

First there was the comparison of lawyers who took up the enemy’s cause to John Adams. As Cesar Conda aptly put it earlier today, that comparison is ludicrous. The United States was not at war at the time of the Boston massacre, the British soldiers Adams agreed to represent were not uniniformed terrorists, and those soldiers were defendants in a criminal trial. No one is claiming that defendants in a criminal trial are not entitled to counsel or that those who defend them are not performing a constitutionally valuable function.

But the al Qaeda terrorists are at war with the United States, and they do not have a right to counsel to challenge their status as detainees. On that score, here comes Sen. Lindsey Graham again (italics mine):

I’ve been a military lawyer for almost 30 years, I represented people as a defense attorney in the military that were charged with some pretty horrific acts, and I gave them my all[.]... This system of justice that we’re so proud of in America requires the unpopular to have an advocate and every time a defense lawyer fights to make the government do their job, that defense lawyer has made us all safer.

This is specious. “The unpopular” are not “required” to have “an advocate” if (a) “the unpopular” include war prisoners seeking to challenge their status as enemy combatants (or unprivileged belligerents) and (b) by “advocate,” Graham means a lawyer. In fact, Sen. Graham was a sponsor of the Military Commissions Act which not only endorsed a system that did not provide counsel for detainees but further (and quite properly) sought to deny those detainees access to the federal district courts.

Is Graham now saying he favors a Sixth Amendment right to counsel for all detainees seeking to challenge our military’s designation of them as enemy combatants? That would be radical and unprecedented extension of constitutional rights for our alien enemies, but that sure seems to be what he’s saying.

And every time a defense lawyer fights to make the government do their job, that defense lawyer has made us all safer? It did not used to be part of the government’s job to explain to a court why it was holding an enemy prisoner during wartime. As Justice Jackson wrote for the Supreme Court in the Eisentrager case, giving our enemies access to our courts in order to make such a demand

would diminish the prestige of our commanders, not only with enemies but with wavering neutrals. It would be difficult to devise more effective fettering of a field commander than to allow the very enemies he is ordered to reduce to submission to call him to account in his own civil courts and divert his efforts and attention from the military offensive abroad to the legal defensive at home.

Does Sen. Graham now think the Supreme Court was wrong about that? Justice Jackson’s point was precisely the opposite of what Graham argues. Allowing these claims makes us less safe. On the theory that a lawyer can be expected to argue the claim more compellingly than would a terrorist untrained in the law, the lawyer making the claim makes us less safe still.

We are not talking about criminal defendants. Of course lawyers who take the cases of criminal defendants “give their all” — that’s their obligation and they are performing a constitutionally required function. But the lawyers who represented the detainees seeking to challenge their status were not representing people who were entitled to counsel and were pushing for the creation of a legal claim that the Eisentrager Court correctly reasoned would endanger the war effort and the country. If I am remembering correctly, that was Sen. Graham’s position, too ... until about five minutes ago.

Speaking of which, it seems like only yesterday that Sen. Graham was railing against the al Qaeda lawyers in a Senate debate. He didn’t seem to think they were making us safer by making the government do its job. Here he was in the debate over the Military Commissions Act, complaining about the Supreme Court’s Rasul case which, against the wisdom of Eisentrager, gave the detainees the right to file habeas corpus suits in federal court. Graham was complaining that this resulted in lawyers intruding into the collection of intelligence:

If I could add one thing on this point: perhaps the best evidence that the current Rasul system undermines effective interrogation is that even the detainees’ lawyers are bragging about their lawsuits’ having that effect. Michael Ratner, a lawyer who has filed lawsuits on behalf of numerous enemy combatants held at Guantanamo Bay, boasted in a recent magazine interview about how he has made it harder for the military to do its job. He particularly emphasized that the litigation interferes with interrogation of enemy combatants:

The litigation is brutal [for the United States]. We have over one hundred lawyers now from big and small firms working to represent these detainees. Every time an attorney goes down there, it makes it that much harder [for the U.S. military] to do what they’re doing. You can’t run an interrogation … with attorneys. What are they going to do now that we’re getting court orders to get more lawyers down there?

When not filing suits for the detainees — oh, I’m sorry, I mean, when not being a good defense lawyer who fights to make the government do their job — Michael Ratner of the neocommunist Center for Constitutional Rights runs around Europe trying to find some court willing to indict Bush administration officials for war crimes. Now, he’s John Adams. Who knew?

03/09 04:41 PM Share


41 posted on 03/09/2010 2:19:12 PM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: FrdmLvr
Exuse me good people of South Carolina...but WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET RID OF THIS B*STARD!?

Believe me, later today wouldn't be fast enough for me.

Unfortunately, we don't get to throw Limpy out on the sidewalk until 2014. Also unfortunately, South Carolina doesn't have a recall law. So he's got until 2014 to continue to act like a frigging left-wing Democrat and embarrass our state.

Sometime around late 2013 or early 2014, he'll start acting like a conservative again. But I doubt that will work. To many people here in SC are waking up to what a real asshole he is. And I'm keeping a list.

42 posted on 03/09/2010 2:19:32 PM PST by upchuck (Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened.)
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To: roses of sharon

BUMP


43 posted on 03/09/2010 2:19:46 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: roses of sharon

When Lawyers Attack [Cesar Conda]

We all know lawyers are a fraternity, but in this case the lawyers denouncing Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol seem to think being a member of the bar in good standing puts you above criticism or even inquiry. Don’t they believe the American people have the right to know whether lawyers who represented terrorists are now working on detainee issues inside the Department of Justice? Or why these lawyers voluntarily flocked to Guantanamo Bay to take up the cause of the detained terror suspects when they did not and do not have a right to legal representation?

The Supreme Court found that they have a right to bring habeas challenges to their detention. That does not confer a right to representation, and in fact, the vast majority of criminals who bring habeas challenges do so without counsel. The John Adams analogy that Ken Starr and the other lawyers cite in their statement is ludicrous: At the time of the Boston Massacre we were not at war and the British soldiers he defended were in court facing a criminal charge of murder. Adams was not representing prisoners of war, enemies of the nation, trying to get them released in the middle of a war. And Adams wasn’t embarrassed about what he did — if what the terrorists’ lawyers did was so noble, why is the DOJ refusing to tell us what they work on now?

Finally, the lawyers’ statement denounces Keep America Safe’s efforts to find out more about lawyers who defended terrorists as “shameful,” yet most of the letter’s signatories stayed silent when the Left was conducting a witch hunt of Bush administration lawyers and CIA interrogators who helped defend America. Keep America Safe is not calling for a witch hunt. They are calling for oversight.

03/09 10:59 AM Share


44 posted on 03/09/2010 2:25:50 PM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: unkus
Lindsay Graham is really a teenage girl.

Actually, "Lindsay" is a boyfriend stealing, milk-aholic baby.

45 posted on 03/09/2010 2:28:02 PM PST by sportutegrl (VETO PROOF MAJORITY IN 2010)
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To: unkus
Lindsay Graham is really a teenage girl.

Actually, "Lindsay" is a boyfriend stealing, milk-aholic baby.

46 posted on 03/09/2010 2:29:36 PM PST by sportutegrl (VETO PROOF MAJORITY IN 2010)
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To: upchuck

What is the world coming to when a lesbian has more balls to take on the RINOs of the world than “mean-spirited” conservatives.

BTW, the “Al-Queda 7” has a nice ring to it.


47 posted on 03/09/2010 2:29:54 PM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: upchuck

fyi


48 posted on 03/09/2010 2:31:06 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: pissant

This is why we need at least the threat of a third party. Get these damn RINOs out before they destroy this whole nation.


49 posted on 03/09/2010 2:32:15 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: grumpygresh

2014. It’s a long ride with this clown.


50 posted on 03/09/2010 2:32:34 PM PST by Rastus
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