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Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain
Marketwatch ^ | March 9, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EST | Paul B. Farrell

Posted on 03/10/2010 12:06:55 AM PST by SmokingJoe

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- "One of the disturbing facts of history is that so many civilizations collapse," warns anthropologist Jared Diamond in "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed." Many "civilizations share a sharp curve of decline. Indeed, a society's demise may begin only a decade or two after it reaches its peak population, wealth and power."

Now, Harvard's Niall Ferguson, one of the world's leading financial historians, echoes Diamond's warning: "Imperial collapse may come much more suddenly than many historians imagine. A combination of fiscal deficits and military overstretch suggests that the United States may be the next empire on the precipice." Yes, America is on the edge.

Dismiss his warning at your peril. Everything you learned, everything you believe and everything driving our political leaders is based on a misleading, outdated theory of history. The American Empire is at the edge of a dangerous precipice, at risk of a sudden, rapid collapse.

Ferguson is brilliant, prolific and contrarian. His works include the recent "Ascent of Money: A Financial History of the World;" "The Cash Nexus: Money and Power in the Modern World;" "Colossus: The Rise and Fall of The American Empire;" and "The War of the World," a survey of the "savagery of the 20th century" where he highlights a profound "paradox that, though the 20th century was 'so bloody,' it was also 'a time of unparalleled progress.'"

Why? Throughout history imperial leaders inevitably emerge and drive their nations into wars for greater glory and "economic progress," while inevitably leading their nation into collapse. And that happens suddenly and swiftly, within "a decade or two."

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Thoughts?
1 posted on 03/10/2010 12:06:56 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

I don’t think any civilization is immortal but I think the U.S.’s greatest asset is her people - at least the 48% who did not vote for Obama.

That’s about 61 million of us. That’s a lot of people who get it. I think we can keep the Republic going.


2 posted on 03/10/2010 12:11:14 AM PST by Persevero ("Our culture is far better than a retarded Islamic culture." -Geert Wilders)
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To: SmokingJoe

I used to think this kind of stuff was hyperbole, but when you’re headed for 94% GDP to debt ratio, you have to wonder.


3 posted on 03/10/2010 12:14:51 AM PST by americanophile
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To: SmokingJoe
Why? Throughout history imperial leaders inevitably emerge and drive their nations into wars for greater glory and "economic progress," while inevitably leading their nation into collapse. And that happens suddenly and swiftly, within "a decade or two."

So is this the $20 version of saying "It's Bush's Fault"?

4 posted on 03/10/2010 12:16:46 AM PST by GOP_Raider (<----Click over there for a special message from GOP_Raider)
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To: SmokingJoe

I agree that we are fighting for the very survival of our country and our freedom.

I also think that we are heading towards CW2, but it will take a much different form than Part One did.

Must get some sleep. Been doing tax returns and I’m tired and not in a good mood. Will pick up on this discussion in a few hours.

Pray for our Republic.


5 posted on 03/10/2010 12:17:36 AM PST by panaxanax (No matter what the outcome may be, I will not vote for a RINO.)
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To: Persevero

Still remember my Dad bringing home an article for Newsweak entitled “the end of the American empire”,that the Japanese will buy off cities, make most of our cars, the Russians will raid the countryside...the year was around 1986. Just like every week for the past 20 years that North korea will invade Sokor, no matter the times, it’s the same ole headlines.


6 posted on 03/10/2010 12:21:09 AM PST by max americana
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To: SmokingJoe
A combination of fiscal deficits and military overstretch...

Kevin Phillips, political historian and former Nixon strategist, also captured this inevitable tendency in Wealth and Democracy: "Most great nations, at the peak of their economic power, become arrogant and wage great world wars at great cost, wasting vast resources, taking on huge debt, and ultimately burning themselves out."
We sense the "consummation" of the American Empire occurred with the leadership handoff from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush.

The US is certainly not overextending itself militarily, despite what the Left might say. We are overextending ourselves with the social welfare state.

7 posted on 03/10/2010 12:22:41 AM PST by iowamark
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To: SmokingJoe

Very interesting, I fear the USA could lose its dominance along with much of our great Sphere of Influence in the coming decades. But, the premise of this OP is wrong because the USA is no Empire. Countries join our Sphere of Influence out of their own willingness, we don’t plunder resources and cheat people. Like Fareed Zakaria said in The Post American World, “the USA has been the creator and sustainer of the current order of open trade and democratic government.”

As long as we don’t take on a protectionist and/or isolationist mentality, the USA will be able to adapt in the 21st century and we will benefit from the vast markets that will spawn out of these emerging markets and growing middle classes. GM sold more cars in China in the USA in 2009! in 2009, HP computers had over a 10% unit share in China and Dell had an 18% market share as China’s computer market stays on pace to become the largest in the World by 2012. In India, the Financial Times is predicting that nuclear energy output will grow from 1700MW up to 470,000 MW in the next 40 years! Some of these markets are going to be so big, our measly sized middle class (relatively speaking to World GDP) will be able to capitalize on all of the demand. I have all the faith in the World that even though the Indians and the Chinese will be copying much of our stuff, the West will still remain the greatest leader in innovation in most fields.

Also, as renewable technology progresses the USA will be more self sustainable.


8 posted on 03/10/2010 12:27:33 AM PST by ATX 1985
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To: Persevero
I don’t think any civilization is immortal but I think the U.S.’s greatest asset is her people - at least the 48% who did not vote for Obama. That’s about 61 million of us. That’s a lot of people who get it. I think we can keep the Republic going.

I'm afraid that it's not a matter of 50% plus to save the nation. It only takes a minority to crash the economy, and the democrats are very skilled at destroying an economy.

9 posted on 03/10/2010 12:28:18 AM PST by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: highlander_UW

as are the republicans.

Debt spree is just another word for bush jr.’s “society of ownership” actually never heard anything more cynical then that titel for a strategy to enslve the people.


10 posted on 03/10/2010 12:31:29 AM PST by Rummenigge (there are people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: highlander_UW

Shoot, I think the FR community alone could pull us out.

Not without a lot of pain.

A lot of the “economy” could crash. Offhand I think of the whole Dow Jones system, insurance, banking. . .

and people would suffer and die. But I can’t quite believe we’d be all in. We have too much real wealth as individuals in land, food, gold, equipment, and work ethic.

I suppose when weak we could be invaded. A land war we might win. We are personally heavily armed, and have a willingness to fight. Witness flights that terrorists attempt to take over. Not much luck these days.

A nuclear war perhaps we could not win, if we were all messed up with economic disaster and our military fell apart.


11 posted on 03/10/2010 12:32:24 AM PST by Persevero ("Our culture is far better than a retarded Islamic culture." -Geert Wilders)
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To: max americana

No need for us to be naive, but just to take practical precautions and keep vigilant.


12 posted on 03/10/2010 12:33:15 AM PST by Persevero ("Our culture is far better than a retarded Islamic culture." -Geert Wilders)
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To: GOP_Raider
So is this the $20 version of saying “It's Bush's Fault”?

I think so. Later in the article, he comes up with this gem:
“Most great nations, at the peak of their economic power, become arrogant and wage great world wars at great cost, wasting vast resources, taking on huge debt, and ultimately burning themselves out.” We sense the “consummation” of the American Empire occurred with the leadership handoff from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush.”

The guy doesn't even mention the nation crippling trillion dollar debts that 0bama is racking up right now.
Plus the guy is from Glasgow in Scotland (albeit he is a professor at Harvard), which makes me a bit suspicious of his motives. The British in general, and the Scots in particular, are notorious Bush haters.
Nevertheless, I am wondering if this is just another professor engaging in yet another random academic exercise, or he really is worth listening to. I think I have seen this guy on Fox once before in the last 4 weeks. I remember thinking he was a pretty confident, bodering on arrogant, fellow.

13 posted on 03/10/2010 12:34:37 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: panaxanax

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


14 posted on 03/10/2010 12:34:44 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: Persevero

I suppose when weak we could be invaded. A land war we might win. We are personally heavily armed, and have a willingness to fight. Witness flights that terrorists attempt to take over. Not much luck these days.

A nuclear war perhaps we could not win, if we were all messed up with economic disaster and our military fell apart.


Well given the size and the “location” of the USA it´s impossible to invade it. And for the nuclear war. I don´t think it´s even possible for anyone to “win” a nuclear war.


15 posted on 03/10/2010 12:37:59 AM PST by darkside321
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To: americanophile

Like you, I am extremely concerned about our debt in comparison to our GDP and savings. Entitlements are the main problem compounded by future unfunded pension/healthcare costs both public and private. You can only live on a credit card for so long!

The only solution that I can see would be to disband entitlements and slash the size of government at all levels. I don’t see any indication from our current leaders that they would do this, therefore, logic says we are headed for very hard times.


16 posted on 03/10/2010 12:46:56 AM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: Persevero
Shoot, I think the FR community alone could pull us out. Not without a lot of pain. A lot of the “economy” could crash. Offhand I think of the whole Dow Jones system, insurance, banking. . . and people would suffer and die. But I can’t quite believe we’d be all in. We have too much real wealth as individuals in land, food, gold, equipment, and work ethic. I suppose when weak we could be invaded. A land war we might win. We are personally heavily armed, and have a willingness to fight. Witness flights that terrorists attempt to take over. Not much luck these days. A nuclear war perhaps we could not win, if we were all messed up with economic disaster and our military fell apart.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree. We have too large a percentage of the population that is too removed from our food supplies. What I mean is, consider the results of gas prices jumping up to $10 per gallon...all of a sudden trucking companies can't afford to transport goods...the most important being food.

It wouldn't take more than a week or two at most of disruption to the food supply to bring cities to their knees and rioting to ensue.

And there are lots of ways for that sort of event to transpire other than just gas prices to rise. You already have a huge number of farmers in CA who can't farm because the state has cut off their water supply in favor of some sort of minnow on the endangered species list.

I don't know that I've ever seen the statistic, but I would bet that an unreasonably high number of Americans are living not much off from paycheck to paycheck.

17 posted on 03/10/2010 12:47:48 AM PST by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: SmokingJoe

Death and taxes certain...collapse, not so much =P


18 posted on 03/10/2010 12:49:09 AM PST by Irenic
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To: SmokingJoe
When things get scary... THATS WHY THE SHEEP STAMPEDE....
The wolves just HATE stampedes...
19 posted on 03/10/2010 12:52:17 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: highlander_UW
it's not a matter of 50% plus to save the nation. It only takes a minority to crash the economy

Minorities are influential in every direction. It took a whole lot less than 50 percent—more like 30 percent, I believe—to build the nation to begin with. So I guess the question is which minority is going to win.

20 posted on 03/10/2010 12:52:25 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: darkside321
Well given the size and the “location” of the USA it´s impossible to invade it.

We are being invaded by tens of millions of illegal immigrants. Europe is being invaded by tens of millions of Muslims. All without firing a shot.

21 posted on 03/10/2010 12:57:17 AM PST by iowamark
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To: SmokingJoe

Hmmmm, nothing about the effects of the concentration of power in the hands of a relative few. Nothing about the systemic looting of private capital to enrich a relative few while enslaving a large number. Nothing about policies implemented to turn a nation of independent, optimistic, hard working people into a mass of dependent sheep. Nothing about dishonesty and fraud run amok. Nothing about the loss of morality, the refusal to see the difference between right and wrong.

Yeah, I’ve got thoughts. When it comes to the people who have sold this country down a river for their gain in the here and now, coupled with the virtual enslavement of a once proud people, my thoughts are not pleasant ones.


22 posted on 03/10/2010 12:58:57 AM PST by jsh3180
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To: iowamark

We are being invaded by tens of millions of illegal immigrants. Europe is being invaded by tens of millions of Muslims. All without firing a shot.


Hey we are not invaded we have been allready overun!
But of course i was only speaking in military terms in my previous post.


23 posted on 03/10/2010 1:00:43 AM PST by darkside321
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To: SmokingJoe

I believe it’s happening. And I don’t like to see it, much less live in it.

There are certain realities, unfortunately.


24 posted on 03/10/2010 1:04:43 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: SmokingJoe

“Thoughts?”

Yeah, empires come and go. The alleged American empire is no different.


25 posted on 03/10/2010 1:09:12 AM PST by cranked
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To: SamuraiScot
Minorities are influential in every direction. It took a whole lot less than 50 percent—more like 30 percent, I believe—to build the nation to begin with. So I guess the question is which minority is going to win.

I do agree with you, but I'll point out that it's far easier to tear something down than to build something up.

26 posted on 03/10/2010 1:25:20 AM PST by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: SmokingJoe

Imperial? BS, Ferguson. Don’t mistake protecting oneself for imperialism. Other than that, he is usually spot on.


27 posted on 03/10/2010 1:33:10 AM PST by deadrock (Liberty is a bitch that needs to be bedded on a mattress of cadavers.)
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To: SmokingJoe
It isn't just America that stands on the precipice, the whole world is staring into the abyss. The superpowers have been maneuvering for position in the next century. We have made some excellent investments for an uncertain future but (IMO) we face Russia, empowered by its recent oil revenues and China, empowered by its massive capacity. It is my belief that, if we are to go down to hell, we should ensure that we are in good company lest we find ourselves dependent on the benevolence of predators who will see our weakness as an opportunity. or maybe I'm just an untrusting soul that sees the worst in people.
28 posted on 03/10/2010 1:37:06 AM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: SmokingJoe

Global power = wealth. Wealth attracts freeloaders. Freeloaders attract big government socialists to promise them government goodies in return for their votes. Socialists come to power. Freeloaders take control of the government and vote themselves unlimited access to other people’s money. Goodbye wealth. Goodbye global power.

We’re watching it right before our very eyes. America’s last chance is to vote out the freeloaders and the socialists who champion them. 2010 will say a lot about how fast this nation declines.


29 posted on 03/10/2010 1:43:34 AM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: iowamark
"Most great nations.....

Vague generalities are pointless.

30 posted on 03/10/2010 1:46:11 AM PST by x_plus_one (Health care is a loser for the Left only if the Right has the steel to undo it.)
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To: SmokingJoe; All
Thoughts?

I can't do any better than my intro to -America Held Hostage--:

”Zimbabwe On The Potomac...”

You know there were warning signs...

I kept telling people when Bill Clinton slithered in to office, and clung to it, despite all the scandals, and Impeachment itself-- “He's just a symptom. Like a fever is of a disease- there's something wrong with America.”

Like Popular Culture- look at the magazines-- I call it “thugs & jugs,” or “which Pop Tart is popping out whose baby this week?”

Or Katrina- ever seen so many people milling around with their hands out, when they should have been helping themselves?

We did it to ourselves, and The New, Improved Black Jesus is merely a symptom.

All civilizations have a shelf life- once enough citizens figure out that by electing the “right” representatives, they can use the power of the government to pick the pockets of others,

...it's all over, except for the details.

Well, we're in the “details,” now.

Meanwhile, I have to figure out what Miss Emily and I do with what's left of our lives, and bush hog her Mom's old place in the country, because City Life isn't going to be worth living from here on out.

I'll catch you all later...

...maybe...

31 posted on 03/10/2010 1:46:36 AM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: SmokingJoe

I believe this will be the case if our nation continues to push God away. I believe this is atthe root of all of our issues.

What happen to God, Family and country? Yes it is still around. However, the atheists, the anti-family, the absolute disrespect to the U.S. Constitution, our bill of rights, borders, language and culture seem to be slowly dissolving.

We can either get back to what made us a great nation, or go back to what our founders were trying to escape.


32 posted on 03/10/2010 1:47:56 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: SmokingJoe
Very sadly, I have to agree w/ the article.

Even more sadly and terribly uncalled for, it can be corrected now.

Goobermint is out of control and has been. Time to cull the herd. Time to stop the handouts. Time to bury the corrupt.

33 posted on 03/10/2010 2:24:35 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: GOP_Raider
Why? Throughout history imperial leaders inevitably emerge and drive their nations into wars for greater glory and "economic progress," while inevitably leading their nation into collapse. And that happens suddenly and swiftly, within "a decade or two."

So is this the $20 version of saying "It's Bush's Fault"?

Actually, I think it comes closer to acknowledging Bush's prescience.

Faced with an assault by an implacable and nebulous enemy, Bush recognized that the U.S. was on the verge of decline, in large part due to economic factors set in place by Democrat legislation which drew from public coffers for the purpose of distributing benefits (a benefit, in governmentese, is the larval version of an entitlement).

He recognized that the correlation of forces could not continue to the level of advantage the U.S. had, but necessarily would decline. That created an urgency to act, which he manned up to do.

Sure, it became unpopular -- largely because the Democrats need history to reflect the ascendance of their ideas, which ultimately it will not do.

Was there a little spin on the info put to the public to garner support for the war? Probably. But democracies generally will not invest blood and fortune in pre-emptive wars, even when they need to be fought.

Even 0 has recognized the importance of settling some version of democratic government in the region. Bush was smart enough to get the Iraq one mostly finished, so that the one generally supported by Democrats (because they thought it the most minor and ultimately "walk-awayable" would remain.

34 posted on 03/10/2010 2:29:08 AM PST by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: OrangeHoof

America’s last chance is to vote out the freeloaders and the socialists who champion them. 2010 will say a lot about how fast this nation declines.<<<<

2010 no doubt is the watershed moment! They know it we know it

They will fast track as much socialism as they can in the next 6 months. There will be an attept to tip all close mid term elections and the people are going to be raging!!

2011 the economy completely tanks. I fear it is going to get real ugly real fast!!


35 posted on 03/10/2010 2:32:19 AM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: Sprite518

I concur.

IMHO, the only thing holding the US back from catastrophe is probably a slim belt of faithful believers remaining in fellowship with Him, and simple grace for those not yet exposed to His Word.

Those who hate Him, probably won’t be influenced by catastrophe, but I fear in the near future, a catastrophe might enable some in other far off places to come to Him with less distraction or degenerate interruption by the unbelieving American sprawl.


36 posted on 03/10/2010 2:41:58 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: OrangeHoof

“Global power = wealth. Wealth attracts freeloaders. Freeloaders attract big government socialists to promise them government goodies in return for their votes. Socialists come to power. Freeloaders take control of the government and vote themselves unlimited access to other people’s money. Goodbye wealth. Goodbye global power.”

Simplistic but correct.
Sorry, but I am one of those doom-sayers that expect that my grandchildren will not see the freedom and prosperity that we have experienced. When the government owes more money than exists then you know it has to fall in some way.

I’m not one for predictions but I think the economy will continue to weaken, then an event will happen which will allow the Powers That Be (whatever you call them) to establish even more power over us.

The world is governed by a small group of elites that have no interest in us except as a slave class to produce their toys. (It’s disconcerting when your bank financial advisor agrees with you).

The American Revolution threw off the chains of slavery imposed by Kings, tyrants, and despots. We have slowly, willingly put those chains back on.

If there will be freedom again it will come only if that world ruling class is destroyed. Of course it will be supplanted with someone else, it is the nature of man.


37 posted on 03/10/2010 2:47:24 AM PST by vanilla swirl (Maranatha!)
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To: backhoe

“Meanwhile, I have to figure out what Miss Emily and I do with what’s left of our lives, and bush hog her Mom’s old place in the country, because City Life isn’t going to be worth living from here on out.”

dittos that!
Just sold timber, bought a Kubota, cleaning up the place...
just in case!


38 posted on 03/10/2010 2:49:57 AM PST by vanilla swirl (Maranatha!)
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To: SmokingJoe

Scary BTTT


39 posted on 03/10/2010 2:57:33 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is...Tell the storm how big your God is!)
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To: ATX 1985
GM sold more cars in China in the USA in 2009

Hate to rain on your parade, but just how much profit did GM make that year?

Or did they have to go begging to the guber'mint?

The truth is in the details.

40 posted on 03/10/2010 3:02:49 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: SmokingJoe

My thoughts are these: Never before in the history of mankind has a leader of a nation actively worked to destroy that nation. This is the situation we Americans are in. Obama is working constantly to find new and innovative ways to completely ruin us.


41 posted on 03/10/2010 3:08:00 AM PST by Lazamataz (Seriously. The only way Obama can possibly pull this out is to declare Martial Law before November.)
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To: Lazamataz

When I read about Obama considering to ban fishing, I recall he grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia.

He must have been an incredible loser throughout his youth.


42 posted on 03/10/2010 3:11:09 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: OrangeHoof
America’s last chance is to vote out the freeloaders and the socialists who champion them.

Vote them all out, and impose strict term limits on the new crop...period. Even the ballot box has failed.

43 posted on 03/10/2010 3:16:23 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: americanophile
94% GDP to debt ratio

^
http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/bg2001.cfm
...but tax revenues are a function of two variables: tax rates and the tax base.

Regardless of the tax rate, tax revenues have almost always come in at approximately 18 percent of GDP.
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Just the interest alone is going to be nearly impossible to pay at 18% of GDP, especially as the tax base shrinks, as Democrats intended with tax increases. Even McCain was smart enough not to raise anyone's taxes
44 posted on 03/10/2010 3:17:42 AM PST by Son House ("Warning! Warning!" "That does not compute" "Danger, Will Robinson!""Oh, the pain...the pain!")
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To: panaxanax
I also think that we are heading towards CW2, but it will take a much different form than Part One did.

Yes, it is troubling. History does not repeat itself exactly. But the patterns of the division of the nation are strikingly similar. But remember that "Country Boys can Survive".

45 posted on 03/10/2010 3:19:23 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: iowamark
The US is certainly not overextending itself militarily, despite what the Left might say. We are overextending ourselves with the social welfare state.

The current wealth of America originated from large investments in technology for WW II and the Cold War. A nation's wealth comes from military spending on technology. It's this simple: nations that gut their military spending for social welfare spending go bankrupt.

A mechanical effect of changing leaders often is institutions are pulled to the left. There's something to be said for a strong leader serving for life. The longest empires had stable leadership.

46 posted on 03/10/2010 3:23:29 AM PST by Reeses
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To: SmokingJoe; All

To me the NWO is real and these last few years have served to confirm that America is doomed.

“They” are everywhere and “They” have been working for decades, perhaps longer to destroy the foundations of America.

But unfortunately the vast majority see my view as wacko and tinfoil.

Now I understand the biblical term “Mystery Babylon”.


47 posted on 03/10/2010 3:23:37 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: iowamark

You hit the nail on the head. The USA is not over extended militarily. It is the demise of the populace brought on by dependency on government that is killing this country from within. As Jefferson said, a revolution is necessary every once in a while to cleanse the body politic and reset our values.


48 posted on 03/10/2010 3:35:26 AM PST by Laserman
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To: SmokingJoe
"...warns anthropologist Jared Diamond..."

The journalistic failboat, that is.

Any opinion or article that opens with a quote from Jared Diamond is a non-starter in the same way reading any opinion or article on history that opens with a quote from Howard Zinn is.

This is utter leftist BS. If America is going to collapse, it is because we have had and currently have too many people in power who think like Marx, Lenin, Castro, Chavez and Stalin (the heroes of people like Diamond) not because we engaged in warfare for sport because it is the type of thing "Imperial Powers" just love to do.

These are the same people who think we got rich by stealing from everyone else around the world, as if economic prowess is a zero sum game, that you can make money only by stealing the labor or resources from others. Let's see...who else thinks that way? Hmm. Eludes me...

These are the same people who refer to the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan as an "American Adventure".

My thoughts? An utter waste of bandwidth, doesn't even approach the value of the billions of spam emails sent each day on the Internet.

49 posted on 03/10/2010 3:46:08 AM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: SmokingJoe

The America empire may well collapse leaving the world to burn. The left has continually burdened America with taxes and regulations designed to burden business and dull the intelligence of the populace. America has an Energy Department that seeks to increase energy cost and reduce energy use rather than increase energy production and reduce energy prices. Yes, collapse is possible.


50 posted on 03/10/2010 3:53:21 AM PST by ricks_place
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