Skip to comments.Ryan: Dems Ramming "Shell" HC Bill Through Committee Monday
Posted on 03/11/2010 3:49:03 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion
Rep. Paul Ryan says that Democrats are ready to ram a "shell" health care bill through the Budget Committee, on which he serves as ranking Republican member, to use as a vehicle to impose national health care.
In a phone interview with TAS Thursday afternoon, Ryan said that he expects Democrats to begin the complex process on Monday, under which they would have the Budget Committee approve a phantom bill by midnight, which they will then send over to the Rules Committee. At that point, the Rules Committee will strip out all of the language in the phantom bill, and insert the changes to the Senate bill that Democrats have negotiated.
"They don't have the votes right now, but they're creating the vehicle so that they can airdrop in whatever changes they want," Ryan said.
He said that Republicans are outnumbered 2-to-1 on his committee and don't have the votes to stop the bill there. Democrats will also be able to prevent Republicans from offering any amendments, but GOP members will be able to offer "motions to instruct" the Rules Committee, that Ryan said will be used highlight problems with the "unprecedented" step that Democrats are taking.
He said he expected Democrats to dust off last year's health care bills from the Education and Labor and Ways and Means Committees, to use as the vehicle for reconciliation changes.
He also warned against focusing too much on the reconciliation process in the Senate. "Reconciliation is a distraction," he said. "Once the House passes the Senate bill we have the massive new entitlement."
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BYE BYE DEMS in 2010.
You @ssholes are FINISHED come November!!!!!!!!
November seems so far away.
Can this stand as consitutional?
Can this survive scutiny?
What legally can be done to stop this, this is stretching rules to the breaking point? I think my head will explode.
Dear God...please INTERVENE!!!!
“You @ssholes are FINISHED come November!!!!!!!! “
Indeed, they are. But they will have created a new entitlement program, which, as we know, are very difficult to eliminate.
They must be stopped.
Time to retire early to work full-time against these crazy people.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
"We're all socialists now."
This could get ugly.
BTW you make some good cookies in Ripon.
For the first time in my 58 years I’m willing to skip summer to go vote.
All Mr. Ryan has to do is to ask the House parlimentarian for a ruling that this ‘shell’ is OUT OF ORDER and UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Joe Biden can’t fire the HOUSE parlimentarian.....DOH!!
It’s dead Jim.
A phantom bill for phantom healthcare: perfect. How about making it an invisible bill too? Prez can sign with invisible pen, everyone’s happy, and then let’s get on with America as we are supposed to be.
I agree, this is a long shot and a desperate act by Barry and the dim’s.
Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts.
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Code Red - House Target List on Health Care
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obamas announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the fixer bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
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On the Bubble (Major developments from the yes and no columns in the House)
Here is another bad thought — after Obamacare, next thing to be rammed up our collective butts is Immigration Reform.
We all know what that means with the RATS in charge.
Every illegal will get a FREE PASS!
I dont understand. Dont they have to pass the original Senate bill?
Mark Levin tonight on his radio program said, if this is done it is tantamount to the democrats declaring Marshall Law.
I know people keep saying “Wait until November” but that’s too little too late. These atrocities need to be stopped NOW!
Because once they are passed, the damage will be done and there will be no political will to repeal them - no matter who is in power.
It’s clear to me. Obama is on a Kamikaze mission. The only hope is to convince enough Dems not to join him. Since they care only about holding on to their office, you’d think the job wouldn’t be that difficult.
The tide is shifting. though slowly. We just need a couple high profile Dems to mutiny and the flood gates will open.
All we can do is stall and win in November. This is also unpopular with the voting public. Barry does not care, he hopes it all passes and is forgotten when HE has to face the people.
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” ~~ President Ronald Reagan
We The People, Ray Stevens (obamacare) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUo
We just need to keep stalling this until June-July. After that the dems are toast. It’s beyond the point that the dems who vote no won’t lose. It’s a lose-lose either way for them.
What makes you think there will be elections in November?
Been saying Novena/S every single night. We DO need Divine Intervention.
No kidding, it’ll be much more than protests.
THANK YOU Mr. Wright. I remembered something out there like that but for the life of me I could not recall the name and therefore could not recall the quote.
IT IS TRUE AND IS HAPPENING.
See my post 22, gmta
What happened to the (Don’t Call it Slaughter, Even Though thats Her Name) Slaughter Solution? Which would give us a ‘deemed’ vote; on an unwritten Bill; to be signed by an undocumented President.
Now its a Shell bill? Will a Phantom bill be next? Or a Hologram bill?
W. The. F is going on?
There ya go!!
Same here. God has frowned upon our Nation, and gave us a huge wake up warning. We need to bring Him back into our fold.
That won’t matter once they pass this bill. We always think that that is their payback. Might be, but to them it is worth it.
I also read about a Senate plan to propose infinite amendments, one at a time. It was in an article and quoted Tom Coburn. FR won’t accept the source.
The democrats left a long time ago. What we have here are socialists and outright communists.
Anybody on our side who can’t admit this fact... is one of THEM!!!
Ryan said that he expects Democrats to begin the complex process on Monday, under which they would have the Budget Committee approve a phantom bill by midnight, which they will then send over to the Rules Committee. At that point, the Rules Committee will strip out all of the language in the phantom bill, and insert the changes to the Senate bill that Democrats have negotiated. "They don't have the votes right now, but they're creating the vehicle so that they can airdrop in whatever changes they want," Ryan said. He said that Republicans are outnumbered 2-to-1 on his committee and don't have the votes to stop the bill there. Democrats will also be able to prevent Republicans from offering any amendments, but GOP members will be able to offer "motions to instruct" the Rules Committee, that Ryan said will be used highlight problems with the "unprecedented" step that Democrats are taking.Thanks BarnacleCenturion. Gosh, it's almost as if the left regards rules, procedures, laws, and even the Constitution as an obstacle to be twisted around.
I saw that too, just recap the article, and post a link in a post.
Yes, I've been saying for a long time that a strategically delivered lightning bolt is about the only thing that can save us now.
The liberals have replaced God with socialism.
“You @ssholes are FINISHED come November!!!!!!!!”
You are missing a crucial point - They don’t care. They are going for broke. They believe that if they can get it passed that it can’t/won’t be rescinded.
They BELIEVE (as fervently as we believe in a balanced budget) that National Healthcare is in the nation’s best interest.
The dems really look insane at this point.
I truly hope the GOP has the balls to do to the dems what they’ve done to us come January 2011. No holds barred. Rip it all apart.