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Ryan: Dems Ramming "Shell" HC Bill Through Committee Monday
The American Spectator ^ | 3.11.10 | Philip Klein

Posted on 03/11/2010 3:49:03 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion

Rep. Paul Ryan says that Democrats are ready to ram a "shell" health care bill through the Budget Committee, on which he serves as ranking Republican member, to use as a vehicle to impose national health care.

In a phone interview with TAS Thursday afternoon, Ryan said that he expects Democrats to begin the complex process on Monday, under which they would have the Budget Committee approve a phantom bill by midnight, which they will then send over to the Rules Committee. At that point, the Rules Committee will strip out all of the language in the phantom bill, and insert the changes to the Senate bill that Democrats have negotiated.

"They don't have the votes right now, but they're creating the vehicle so that they can airdrop in whatever changes they want," Ryan said.

He said that Republicans are outnumbered 2-to-1 on his committee and don't have the votes to stop the bill there. Democrats will also be able to prevent Republicans from offering any amendments, but GOP members will be able to offer "motions to instruct" the Rules Committee, that Ryan said will be used highlight problems with the "unprecedented" step that Democrats are taking.

He said he expected Democrats to dust off last year's health care bills from the Education and Labor and Ways and Means Committees, to use as the vehicle for reconciliation changes.

He also warned against focusing too much on the reconciliation process in the Senate. "Reconciliation is a distraction," he said. "Once the House passes the Senate bill we have the massive new entitlement."

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; communism; democrats; healthcare; liberalfascism; obama; obamacare; palin; phantomhealthcare; socialism; socialisthealthcare
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1 posted on 03/11/2010 3:49:05 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

BYE BYE DEMS in 2010.


2 posted on 03/11/2010 3:50:36 PM PST by historyrepeatz
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To: BarnacleCenturion; 50cal Smokepole; Terabitten; jellybean; Madison Moose; youngjim; ...
Wisconsin Conservative Politics Ping List Ping!
3 posted on 03/11/2010 3:51:16 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Fascinating how the democrats think that giving the middle finger to We The People is a good idea.

Hey democrats!

You @ssholes are FINISHED come November!!!!!!!!

4 posted on 03/11/2010 3:53:02 PM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: historyrepeatz; Diana in Wisconsin

November seems so far away.


5 posted on 03/11/2010 3:57:08 PM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Can this stand as consitutional?
Can this survive scutiny?
What legally can be done to stop this, this is stretching rules to the breaking point? I think my head will explode.


6 posted on 03/11/2010 3:59:44 PM PST by marstegreg
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Ugh...we need lots of people to do spiritual warfare in the Heavenlies over the weekend to stop this thing.

Dear God...please INTERVENE!!!!

7 posted on 03/11/2010 4:00:17 PM PST by what's up
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To: Prole

“You @ssholes are FINISHED come November!!!!!!!! “

Indeed, they are. But they will have created a new entitlement program, which, as we know, are very difficult to eliminate.

They must be stopped.


8 posted on 03/11/2010 4:00:39 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Time to retire early to work full-time against these crazy people.


9 posted on 03/11/2010 4:00:46 PM PST by FreedBird (D)
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To: what's up

“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”

—NORMAN THOMAS


10 posted on 03/11/2010 4:01:18 PM PST by Mr. Wright ( in)
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To: Mr. Wright
Here's a quote from Norman's son Evan writing in Newsweek a few months back:

"We're all socialists now."

11 posted on 03/11/2010 4:04:53 PM PST by what's up
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This could get ugly.

BTW you make some good cookies in Ripon.


12 posted on 03/11/2010 4:07:01 PM PST by tractorman
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To: Sopater

For the first time in my 58 years I’m willing to skip summer to go vote.


13 posted on 03/11/2010 4:09:01 PM PST by tractorman
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To: BarnacleCenturion

All Mr. Ryan has to do is to ask the House parlimentarian for a ruling that this ‘shell’ is OUT OF ORDER and UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Joe Biden can’t fire the HOUSE parlimentarian.....DOH!!

It’s dead Jim.


14 posted on 03/11/2010 4:12:59 PM PST by bigoil
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To: what's up

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


15 posted on 03/11/2010 4:13:39 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 91:4 ~ Under His Wings ~)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

A phantom bill for phantom healthcare: perfect. How about making it an invisible bill too? Prez can sign with invisible pen, everyone’s happy, and then let’s get on with America as we are supposed to be.


16 posted on 03/11/2010 4:15:31 PM PST by La Enchiladita (wise gringa)
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To: tractorman
I truly believe the Alinsky Communist Party thinks we will simply get tired & roll over. I truly believe we are heading for a civil war. SOON!

Wolverines!

17 posted on 03/11/2010 4:16:37 PM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: bigoil

I agree, this is a long shot and a desperate act by Barry and the dim’s.


18 posted on 03/11/2010 4:17:08 PM PST by TJC
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To: BarnacleCenturion

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19 posted on 03/11/2010 4:17:09 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: FreedBird

Here is another bad thought — after Obamacare, next thing to be rammed up our collective butts is Immigration Reform.
We all know what that means with the RATS in charge.
Every illegal will get a FREE PASS!


20 posted on 03/11/2010 4:17:21 PM PST by Mr. Wright ( in)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I dont understand. Dont they have to pass the original Senate bill?


21 posted on 03/11/2010 4:17:48 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: La Enchiladita; All
"A phantom bill for phantom healthcare: perfect. How about making it an invisible bill too? Prez can sign with invisible pen, everyone’s happy, and then let’s get on with America as we are supposed to be."


22 posted on 03/11/2010 4:19:08 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: marstegreg

Mark Levin tonight on his radio program said, if this is done it is tantamount to the democrats declaring Marshall Law.


23 posted on 03/11/2010 4:19:08 PM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I know people keep saying “Wait until November” but that’s too little too late. These atrocities need to be stopped NOW!

Because once they are passed, the damage will be done and there will be no political will to repeal them - no matter who is in power.

It’s clear to me. Obama is on a Kamikaze mission. The only hope is to convince enough Dems not to join him. Since they care only about holding on to their office, you’d think the job wouldn’t be that difficult.

The tide is shifting. though slowly. We just need a couple high profile Dems to mutiny and the flood gates will open.


24 posted on 03/11/2010 4:19:18 PM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
yikes...this was floated months ago, then got lost in the reconciliation shuffle.
25 posted on 03/11/2010 4:19:53 PM PST by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: Mr. Wright

All we can do is stall and win in November. This is also unpopular with the voting public. Barry does not care, he hopes it all passes and is forgotten when HE has to face the people.


26 posted on 03/11/2010 4:20:01 PM PST by TJC
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To: Mr. Wright; ExTexasRedhead

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” ~~ President Ronald Reagan

We The People, Ray Stevens (obamacare) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUo


27 posted on 03/11/2010 4:20:43 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Mr. Wright

We just need to keep stalling this until June-July. After that the dems are toast. It’s beyond the point that the dems who vote no won’t lose. It’s a lose-lose either way for them.


28 posted on 03/11/2010 4:20:55 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Prole

What makes you think there will be elections in November?


29 posted on 03/11/2010 4:21:29 PM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: what's up

Been saying Novena/S every single night. We DO need Divine Intervention.


30 posted on 03/11/2010 4:21:40 PM PST by cubreporter (Scott Brown turned it all around. The people CAN and DID make a difference!!!)
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To: Texas Songwriter

No kidding, it’ll be much more than protests.


31 posted on 03/11/2010 4:21:43 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Mr. Wright

THANK YOU Mr. Wright. I remembered something out there like that but for the life of me I could not recall the name and therefore could not recall the quote.

IT IS TRUE AND IS HAPPENING.


32 posted on 03/11/2010 4:22:45 PM PST by cubreporter (Scott Brown turned it all around. The people CAN and DID make a difference!!!)
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To: TJC

See my post 22, gmta


33 posted on 03/11/2010 4:22:52 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Texas Songwriter

What happened to the (Don’t Call it Slaughter, Even Though thats Her Name) Slaughter Solution? Which would give us a ‘deemed’ vote; on an unwritten Bill; to be signed by an undocumented President.

Now its a Shell bill? Will a Phantom bill be next? Or a Hologram bill?

W. The. F is going on?


34 posted on 03/11/2010 4:23:55 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (BOOM! Taste my nightstick! Sarah, making Shatner sound Shakespearean.)
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To: musicman

There ya go!!
:-)


35 posted on 03/11/2010 4:23:56 PM PST by La Enchiladita (wise gringa)
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To: cubreporter

Same here. God has frowned upon our Nation, and gave us a huge wake up warning. We need to bring Him back into our fold.


36 posted on 03/11/2010 4:24:45 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: historyrepeatz

That won’t matter once they pass this bill. We always think that that is their payback. Might be, but to them it is worth it.


37 posted on 03/11/2010 4:26:09 PM PST by dforest
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To: Indy Pendance

I also read about a Senate plan to propose infinite amendments, one at a time. It was in an article and quoted Tom Coburn. FR won’t accept the source.


38 posted on 03/11/2010 4:26:18 PM PST by La Enchiladita (wise gringa)
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To: Prole

The democrats left a long time ago. What we have here are socialists and outright communists.

Anybody on our side who can’t admit this fact... is one of THEM!!!


39 posted on 03/11/2010 4:26:59 PM PST by o2bfree (This president is giving me a headache!)
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To: Indy Pendance
God has frowned upon our Nation

I disagree.

40 posted on 03/11/2010 4:27:06 PM PST by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Ryan said that he expects Democrats to begin the complex process on Monday, under which they would have the Budget Committee approve a phantom bill by midnight, which they will then send over to the Rules Committee. At that point, the Rules Committee will strip out all of the language in the phantom bill, and insert the changes to the Senate bill that Democrats have negotiated. "They don't have the votes right now, but they're creating the vehicle so that they can airdrop in whatever changes they want," Ryan said. He said that Republicans are outnumbered 2-to-1 on his committee and don't have the votes to stop the bill there. Democrats will also be able to prevent Republicans from offering any amendments, but GOP members will be able to offer "motions to instruct" the Rules Committee, that Ryan said will be used highlight problems with the "unprecedented" step that Democrats are taking.
Thanks BarnacleCenturion. Gosh, it's almost as if the left regards rules, procedures, laws, and even the Constitution as an obstacle to be twisted around.
41 posted on 03/11/2010 4:27:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Dark Wing

ping


42 posted on 03/11/2010 4:27:24 PM PST by Thud
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To: La Enchiladita

I saw that too, just recap the article, and post a link in a post.


43 posted on 03/11/2010 4:27:56 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: glock rocks

How so?


44 posted on 03/11/2010 4:28:20 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: newfreep
They greatly missunderestimate us non-socialists.
45 posted on 03/11/2010 4:28:21 PM PST by tractorman
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To: cubreporter
Been saying Novena/S every single night. We DO need Divine Intervention.

Yes, I've been saying for a long time that a strategically delivered lightning bolt is about the only thing that can save us now.

46 posted on 03/11/2010 4:28:28 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (Thanks alot all you mushy brainless nimrods who vote for "change")
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To: Indy Pendance

The liberals have replaced God with socialism.


47 posted on 03/11/2010 4:30:47 PM PST by tractorman
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To: Prole

“You @ssholes are FINISHED come November!!!!!!!!”

You are missing a crucial point - They don’t care. They are going for broke. They believe that if they can get it passed that it can’t/won’t be rescinded.

They BELIEVE (as fervently as we believe in a balanced budget) that National Healthcare is in the nation’s best interest.


48 posted on 03/11/2010 4:30:53 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The dems really look insane at this point.


49 posted on 03/11/2010 4:33:37 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Bryan24

I truly hope the GOP has the balls to do to the dems what they’ve done to us come January 2011. No holds barred. Rip it all apart.


50 posted on 03/11/2010 4:34:37 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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