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‘They Just Want This Over’ (interview with Stupak)
National Review (The Corner) ^ | March 12, 2010 | Robert Costa

Posted on 03/12/2010 1:12:07 PM PST by reaganaut1

Sitting in an airport, on his way home to Michigan, Rep. Bart Stupak, a pro-life Democrat, is chagrined. “They’re ignoring me,” he says, in a phone interview with National Review Online. “That’s their strategy now. The House Democratic leaders think they have the votes to pass the Senate’s health-care bill without us. At this point, there is no doubt that they’ve been able to peel off one or two of my twelve. And even if they don’t have the votes, it’s been made clear to us that they won’t insert our language on the abortion issue.”

According to Stupak, that group of twelve pro-life House Democrats — the “Stupak dozen” — has privately agreed for months to vote ‘no’ on the Senate’s health-care bill if federal funding for abortion is included in the final legislative language. Now, in the debate’s final hours, Stupak says the other eleven are coming under “enormous” political pressure from both the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.). “I am a definite ‘no’ vote,” he says. “I didn’t cave. The others are having both of their arms twisted, and we’re all getting pounded by our traditional Democratic supporters, like unions.”

Stupak says he also doesn’t trust the “Slaughter solution,” a legislative maneuver being bandied about on Capitol Hill as a way to pass the Senate bill in the House without actually voting on it. “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me,” he says. “I don’t have a warm-and-fuzzy feeling about what I’m hearing.”

Stupak notes that his negotiations with House Democratic leaders in recent days have been revealing. “I really believe that the Democratic leadership is simply unwilling to change its stance,” he says. “Their position says that women, especially those without means available, should have their abortions covered.” The arguments they have made to him in recent deliberations, he adds, “are a pretty sad commentary on the state of the Democratic party.”

What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says. “Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America? If money is the issue — come on, we can find room in the budget. This is life we’re talking about.”

If Obamacare passes, Stupak says, it could signal the end of any meaningful role for pro-life Democrats within their own party. “It would be very, very hard for someone who is a right-to-life Democrat to run for office,” he says. “I won’t leave the party. I’m more comfortable here and still believe in a role within it for the right-to-life cause, but this bill will make being a pro-life Democrat much more difficult. They don’t even want to debate this issue. We’ll probably have to wait until the Republicans take back the majority to fix this.”

“Throughout this debate, even when the House leaders have acknowledged us, it’s always been in a backhanded way,” he laments. “I’m telling the others to hold firm, and we’ll meet next week, but I’m disappointed in my colleagues who said they’d be with us and now they’re not. It’s almost like some right-to-life members don’t want to be bothered. They just want this over.”

And the politics of the issue are pretty rough. “This has really reached an unhealthy stage,” Stupak says. “People are threatening ethics complaints on me. On the left, they’re really stepping it up. Every day, from Rachel Maddow to the Daily Kos, it keeps coming. Does it bother me? Sure. Does it change my position? No.”


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1 posted on 03/12/2010 1:12:07 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. ”

There was a time in my life when I would have found this shocking.

2 posted on 03/12/2010 1:13:49 PM PST by wolf24
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To: reaganaut1

Strange times we’re living in.


3 posted on 03/12/2010 1:14:45 PM PST by Crawdad (Obamacare will lead to back-alley physicals.)
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To: reaganaut1
That quote should be paraded around in large, bold print!

Dems: We want to kill more babies, because it will save money in our socialist health care system.

4 posted on 03/12/2010 1:15:02 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: reaganaut1

So Pelosi can twist arms and attack and it is ok with the media, but when Tom DeLay did it he was a bully?


5 posted on 03/12/2010 1:17:18 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Those who claim to be open and tolerant are often only open to their own views, not yours)
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To: reaganaut1
This has really reached an unhealthy stage,” Stupak says. “People are threatening ethics complaints on me.

Well, Bart, can you say "Eric Massa"?

6 posted on 03/12/2010 1:19:40 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Freepmail me to get on the Bourbon ping list.)
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To: reaganaut1

From the beginning it has mystified me whythe abortion provisions were not jettisoned early so that they can get this thing in place as a fait accompli.They can always add the abortion language later unless they have judged that the country is trending the “wrong way.”Perhaps the feeliong among the female leftists is that abortion really is an unforgivable sin and they can and must legislate the sinfulness of it away for self vindication and the assuaging of of their own souls, however they might conceive them. Perhaps that is even more important to them than the socialism. I never considered that before.


7 posted on 03/12/2010 1:22:13 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: wolf24

Sounds like a Semmens spoof.


8 posted on 03/12/2010 1:22:19 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: reaganaut1

Should he be saved from defeat in November for his principled stand?


9 posted on 03/12/2010 1:22:38 PM PST by maxter (Ignorance is not bliss, it is devastating, and we are witnessing some of the fruits of it.)
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To: reaganaut1

I am not going to pay for abortions, ever, no matter what.


10 posted on 03/12/2010 1:24:31 PM PST by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: reaganaut1
Not fooled by Stupak and I'm not patting him on the back for his "heroic" stand.

Two reasons -

#1 - He refuses to oppose the bill on its basic premise. The people don't want government-run health care, and it's not going to make it better even if it does include a ban on abortion funding. We all know the ACLU or some lib group will file suit and the court will force Obamacare to cover abortions. So gov't run healthcare is fine as long as abortions aren't covered?

#2 - Where was Stupak when Planned Parenthood was being funded? He had an opportunity to vote against funding for PP but didn't do so.

FReepers who putting their faith on these so-called moderate or Blue Dog Democrats are being played for suckers.

11 posted on 03/12/2010 1:25:04 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Islam is incompatible with American traditions and values)
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To: maxter
Should he be saved from defeat in November for his principled stand?

Hell no, because you're already letting the enemy win the long-term war.

12 posted on 03/12/2010 1:26:37 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Islam is incompatible with American traditions and values)
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To: maxter

I give the guy credit for standing up. He’s held firm when lesser people have folded.


13 posted on 03/12/2010 1:27:07 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: reaganaut1

If money is the issue - everyone in Washington works for $1 a year; no retirement; and the healthcare is the same as ordinary taxpayers.


14 posted on 03/12/2010 1:27:22 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (To our Overlords in Washington: "We the People" are fed up! - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: reaganaut1

I agree...I just want it over, too, so I can stop losing sleep over my freedoms being ripped away.


15 posted on 03/12/2010 1:27:58 PM PST by JenB987 (under God's Spirit she flourishes)
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To: reaganaut1
I believe the libs want to end the slow bleeding and vote whether they have enough to pass it or not.

The best outcome for them is being able to go back to their loonie progressive base and claim they did their best, then get back to what they do best - degenerate, dehumanize & debase anyone who disagrees with them.

16 posted on 03/12/2010 1:28:29 PM PST by skeeter
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To: wolf24
How bizarre, these people won't rest until they have less than 100 seats in the Congress. It can't happen soon enough for me.

This has been a continuous nightmare since the 2008 election and it just doesn't end.

17 posted on 03/12/2010 1:28:52 PM PST by WHBates
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To: reaganaut1

So now we have the smoking gun. The Democrats ARE the party of death.


18 posted on 03/12/2010 1:32:05 PM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: reaganaut1
I always thought it would pass. I don’t think so anymore. The instinct for self preservation has kicked in. A bribe is only good if you live to enjoy it. Nelson got his bribes for our state, but he’s gone. Nothing will restore his reputation at this point. People yell at him in public. Any dim needs to think long and hard before they go down this road.
19 posted on 03/12/2010 1:32:57 PM PST by throwback (o)
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To: throwback
Well, with that thought process on abortion how far of a leap would it be for these people to rationalize forced abortion to balance to HC budget or the entire national budget in future years?
20 posted on 03/12/2010 1:36:24 PM PST by WHBates
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To: reaganaut1

We should carry 50 million pennies to washington and drop them off... “Over 50 million...” How sad!
http://www.mbcb.org/missing.aspx#filled


21 posted on 03/12/2010 1:38:16 PM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: wolf24

Ol’ Scratch rules the Dem Party.


22 posted on 03/12/2010 1:38:35 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I agree. NEVER trust a dem.


23 posted on 03/12/2010 1:38:56 PM PST by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Exactly!! Thank you!!


24 posted on 03/12/2010 1:40:29 PM PST by gibsosa
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Should he be saved from defeat in November for his principled stand?

Hell no, because you’re already letting the enemy win the long-term war.”

You are 100% right. That which supports Obozo/Pelosi/Reid must be sterilized and there are no exceptions!


25 posted on 03/12/2010 1:40:48 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: reaganaut1

The focus of who is better off dead needs to be shifted.

Does the aged granma Pelosi have a greater right to live than an unborn child?


26 posted on 03/12/2010 1:41:40 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

There aren’t many politicians who should be saved in November. Republican weakness the past 6 years brought to where we are today, and the Democrats are raising hell.


27 posted on 03/12/2010 1:41:41 PM PST by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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To: maxter
Should he be saved from defeat in November for his principled stand?

Who got his vote for Speaker?

28 posted on 03/12/2010 1:48:40 PM PST by TonyInOhio ( Let our hearts be stout)
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To: reaganaut1
“And the politics of the issue are pretty rough. “This has really reached an unhealthy stage,” Stupak says. “People are threatening ethics complaints on me.”

I guess if you don't prove your loyalty by directly facilitating the killing of the unborn, the Democrats attack you.

How many must die to satiate these people?

29 posted on 03/12/2010 1:54:21 PM PST by Gabrial
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To: maxter

Should we mock you for being so misinformed? No.

Stupak is from MI-1. the U.P. He has no opponent yet. He will win easy. And nobody is running against him in a primary. So he doesn’t need anyone to save him from defeat. Not that you could.


30 posted on 03/12/2010 1:54:57 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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To: TChris

If they can easily kill babies with no conscience (who for about 50 or 60 years would contribute to Social Security) do you think they will even blink at killing grandma or grandpa who are a drain on Medicare and Social Security? Grandma and grandpa aren’t nearly as cute as a baby either.

Why on earth would anyone want an entity making life and death decisions when they have the actuarial advantage to kill you?


31 posted on 03/12/2010 2:03:37 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: reaganaut1
What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says. “Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America? If money is the issue — come on, we can find room in the budget. This is life we’re talking about.”

And the liberals and the media say that it's the conservatives who love money and value money over people.

I can't recall any conservatives saying let's kill people to save a buck.
32 posted on 03/12/2010 2:03:43 PM PST by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: reaganaut1; ExTexasRedhead

Rep. Stupak: Democratic Leadership Admitted They Want to Fund Abortion (VIDEO)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2469847/posts

Call it what it is GENOCIDE of the Unborn, abortion is a benign word in the public’s mind, where as all know what GENOCIDE is.


33 posted on 03/12/2010 2:04:05 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: reaganaut1

Dems to my grandchildren - “Drop dead!!!”


34 posted on 03/12/2010 2:04:57 PM PST by airborne ("Peace, Love, Dope" has now become "Hope, Change, Obama" !!!)
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To: wolf24
What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says. “Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America? If money is the issue — come on, we can find room in the budget. This is life we’re talking about.”

Stupak should open his eyes. It's not only a beginning of life issue. It's an end-of-life issue. They want to eliminate a lot of people at the other end of life's spectrum also. How many older Americans will perish because their quality of life doesn't meet the Democrats' standard to receive health care services they need?

35 posted on 03/12/2010 2:05:52 PM PST by Gee Wally
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To: wolf24

Old people cost even more in upkeep than newborns, so all the Boomers headed for Social Security and Medicare can kiss their overpriced asses goodbye right now.

Collectivism is a death cult.

So I guess the ideal society for a liberal democrat would be one with no people in it.


36 posted on 03/12/2010 2:06:18 PM PST by Argus
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To: reaganaut1

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!

OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

Obama Puts Social Security on the Chopping Block (this is a commie rag)
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/obama-puts-social-security-chopping-block

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security, http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460988/posts

Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html

Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors

Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

Defaulted Loans May Haunt Seniors (Cuts SS CHECKS)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467213/posts

Obama to outline $313 billion in Medicare, Medicaid spending cuts
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/14/nation/na-obama-radio14

A trip to the grocery store Tuesday saw cost of food skyrocketing again.
http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/SocialSecurity/2009/20090629-SenCitMayNotGet.htm

Report: Bill would reduce senior care Medicare cuts approved by House may affect access to providers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111402597.html

Unions Cut Special Deal on Health Taxes (Healthcare cost for seniors going up to pay for unions)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704281204575003040695279432.html

Mayo clinic
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=517004

Weighing Medical Costs of End-of-Life Care (Money, Death Panels and The Duty to Die)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/health/23ucla.html?_r=1&ref=business&pagewanted=all

Seniors’ coverage options dwindle as Medicare Advantage programs close shop
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-advantage_22bus.ART.State.Edition1.3c912a9.html

Screwing the Seniors? AARP to Make Millions Off of Obamacare
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/10/screwing-seniors-aarp-to-make-millions.html
Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New

Obama Plan
http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Balch calls that “genuine chutzpah” because the Obama plan makes that claim “even as it imposes what will be ever-increasing rationing on senior citizens.”
The Senate health care bill already contains provisions that threaten to ration lifesaving medical treatment for seniors.

NRLC says state commissioners of the new health insurance exchanges created by the bill would be given significant power. They could deny people who are trying to obtain policies in the exchange the option of choosing health plans less likely to deny treatment, by limiting what they would be allowed to pay for such policies.
Related web sites:

National Right to Life Committee - http://www.nrlc.org

Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html

Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors

Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

Repeal Obamacare? Unlikely
http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidHarsanyi/2010/03/10/repeal_obamacare_unlikely
Obama spent last week campaigning for health care reform, at one point getting some college-age fans worked up about all the free stuff — “free” preventive care and “free” checkups and so forth — they would receive if his version of health care reform passed.

Slashing Medicare to pay for healthcare reform an ugly shell game

Dr. Stuart M. Shapiro,
July 27, 2009

http://www.mcknights.com/slashing-medicare-to-pay-for-healthcare-reform-an-ugly-shell-game/article/140656/
If the cost is by cutting Medicaid and Medicare, then taxpayers are in for a rude awakening when millions will retire without money to pay for their healthcare. Ransoming seniors’ long-term care for immediate, large-scale health reform is more politically beneficial for its supporters in the short-term than it is reasonable for everyone in the long run.

In fact, even in the short-term, one could argue that taxpayers, including the elderly, are looking at an old-fashioned shell game from Washington. No sooner was the ink dry on the federal stimulus package, which provided millions of dollars to support care for the elderly in Pennsylvania, before Congress and the administration began to propose major cuts in Medicare to finance healthcare reform. Because Medicare payments support quality care in our nation’s nursing homes, the proposed cuts nationally approaching $50 billion in Medicare payments for the care of the elderly is guaranteed to undercut the quality gains of the past decade. In Pennsylvania, if the proposals currently on the table are enacted, these policies would result in an almost 10% reduction in cumulative payments over 10 years, or more than $2.1 billion.

None of the answers on healthcare, Social Security, Medicaid or Medicare is easy. But there is one thing we do know: Our population is growing older, and doing so rapidly. Cutting money from the programs that finance care for Pennsylvania seniors is seriously flawed. There is no simple or single solution. But there is a wrong way, and taking money from the care for American seniors is deeply flawed.

Stuart H. Shapiro, M.D., is the president and CEO of the Pennsylvania Health Care Association


37 posted on 03/12/2010 2:07:59 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Argus

those baby boomers are going to get a very ugly history lesson repeat about what happened in WW II.

(carosel will be prettier, with even an obama logo)


38 posted on 03/12/2010 2:08:03 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: reaganaut1

Not enough Democratic congressmen know history....as in The French Revolution...Marie Antoinette..”let them eat cake”...type of history.

Its best for all they be reminded of it BEFORE they vote......


39 posted on 03/12/2010 2:08:23 PM PST by mo
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To: reaganaut1

Pushing Veterans Toward the Grave

http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/opinion/2009/08/pushing-veterans-toward-the-grave-31/


40 posted on 03/12/2010 2:10:30 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: GailA

Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts.

PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District

Code Red” - House Target List on Health Care

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
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Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District

Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

On the Bubble (Major developments from the “yes” and “no” columns in the House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467046/posts


41 posted on 03/12/2010 2:11:18 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Crawdad; All
And even if they don’t have the votes, it’s been made clear to us that they won’t insert our language on the abortion issue.

I don't think the abortion change Stupak wants would be allowed in the senate, because it would not be a budget item. I hope Stupak and gang realize that and reject the senate bill.

42 posted on 03/12/2010 2:12:32 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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To: wolf24
There was a time in my life when I would have found this shocking.

Ain't that the ever-lovin truth.

43 posted on 03/12/2010 2:23:15 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: reaganaut1

I know it’s beside the point, but nearly everything he’s quoted as saying here is a cliche.


44 posted on 03/12/2010 2:25:58 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: reaganaut1

Very telling.

I guess the rats are planning to do all they can to drive unemployment up. If they weren’t planning that, they’d welcome new taxpayers to pay the freight for their programs. But if they’re all going to be on welfare, well, I can see why they support abortion.

I’ll be praying for Bart to hang tough and stay right with his conscience.


45 posted on 03/12/2010 2:27:54 PM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
Excerpt:

According to Stupak, that group of twelve pro-life House Democrats — the “Stupak dozen” — has privately agreed for months to vote ‘no’ on the Senate’s health-care bill if federal funding for abortion is included in the final legislative language. Now, in the debate’s final hours, Stupak says the other eleven are coming under “enormous” political pressure from both the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.). “I am a definite ‘no’ vote,” he says. “I didn’t cave. The others are having both of their arms twisted, and we’re all getting pounded by our traditional Democratic supporters, like unions.”

Stupak says he also doesn’t trust the “Slaughter solution,” a legislative maneuver being bandied about on Capitol Hill as a way to pass the Senate bill in the House without actually voting on it. “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me,” he says. “I don’t have a warm-and-fuzzy feeling about what I’m hearing.”

Stupak notes that his negotiations with House Democratic leaders in recent days have been revealing. “I really believe that the Democratic leadership is simply unwilling to change its stance,” he says. “Their position says that women, especially those without means available, should have their abortions covered.” The arguments they have made to him in recent deliberations, he adds, “are a pretty sad commentary on the state of the Democratic party.”

What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says. “Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America? If money is the issue — come on, we can find room in the budget. This is life we’re talking about.”

46 posted on 03/12/2010 3:24:05 PM PST by nutmeg ("We have to pass the bill first so you can find out what's in it." - Nancy Pelosi, March 2010)
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To: reaganaut1
If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says.

Socialists could compensate for the increased cost by ending their own lives.
47 posted on 03/12/2010 4:08:00 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Gabrial
FROM THE ARTICLE: “And the politics of the issue are pretty rough. “This has really reached an unhealthy stage,” Stupak says. “People are threatening ethics complaints on me.”

Oh my, ethics complaints against him? Kind of like Massa?? Now I wonder when Ralm will poke his finger in Stupak’s chest and tell him he better be a good boy??

48 posted on 03/12/2010 4:10:17 PM PST by seekthetruth (Support Ed Lynch In FL Dist.19; Dan Fanelli In FL Dist. 8 ; Allen West in FL Dist. 22!)
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To: reaganaut1
Wow! That is one of the most significant interviews I have ever read.

The Democrat party is now committed to abortion, the more the merrier...because of money???!!!

Can there be any doubt that this healthcare proposal is not only a power grab, but a manifestation of absolute evil?

May God bless and keep Mr. Stupak -- who is that rarest of creatures, an honest Democrat.

49 posted on 03/12/2010 4:16:47 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: WHBates
Well, with that thought process on abortion how far of a leap would it be for these people to rationalize forced abortion to balance to HC budget or the entire national budget in future years?

Or euthanasia...???

Just imagine what we've learned here. These Democrats thirst for the power of life -- and death -- over their subjects.

It is utterly appalling...

50 posted on 03/12/2010 4:23:05 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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