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There Will Be Blood(Every now and then a Liberal will slip up and tell the cold-blooded truth)
american spectator ^ | 3/18/10 | andrew thomas

Posted on 03/19/2010 5:26:48 AM PDT by bestintxas

On March 15, Robert Reich wrote in The Huffington Post, "Health care reform is necessary, and House Democrats should vote for it because it's best for the nation." He then went on to justify his assertion purely in terms of positive outcomes for Democrats, not for the people who will be required to live with the actual "reform".

Of course as we all know by now, the true intent of this bill is not to improve the quality of care or to make the current level of care cheaper. It is in fact a purposeful effort by Democrats to do the exact opposite in order to ultimately gain control over the citizenry.

"Aw, that's a bunch of neocon conspiracy crap", some of the more progressively-enabled may say. Listen to what Robert Reich had to say about progressive healthcare reform back on September 26, 2007:

This is what the truth is...If you are very old, we're not going to give you all of that technology and all of those drugs...to keep you alive. It's too expensive, so we're going to let you die...(We're) going to use the bargaining leverage of the federal government...to force drug companies and insurance companies and medical suppliers to reduce their costs. That means less innovation, and that means less new products and less new drugs on the market, which means you are probably not going to live that much longer than your parents.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; deathpanels; democrats; healthcare; liberalfascism; obama; obamacare; reich; socialisthealthcare
"This is what the truth is...If you are very old, we're not going to give you all of that technology and all of those drugs...to keep you alive. It's too expensive, so we're going to let you die...(We're) going to use the bargaining leverage of the federal government...to force drug companies and insurance companies and medical suppliers to reduce their costs. That means less innovation, and that means less new products and less new drugs on the market, which means you are probably not going to live that much longer than your parents."
1 posted on 03/19/2010 5:26:48 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas
Kill the Bill Mega Rally at the Capitol, noon Saturday until ???

Note the walking-distance metro stop. Park anywhere and ride the metro in.

Or drive around the Capitol and gridlock traffic while honking thousand of car horns.

2 posted on 03/19/2010 5:27:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

I do not think the blood will be all consevative blood, there will be a mix of Tyrant in there too!


3 posted on 03/19/2010 5:35:15 AM PDT by freethinkingman
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To: bestintxas
A common criminal demands, "Your money or your life". Democrats demand, "Your money and your life".
4 posted on 03/19/2010 5:39:39 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: freethinkingman

Very heavy on the tyrant please!


5 posted on 03/19/2010 5:43:13 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: 6SJ7

Democrats demand, “Your money and your wife”. ..................


6 posted on 03/19/2010 5:48:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: bestintxas
we're going to let you die

Could you maybe leave it up to my family and me? And permit me to do the same for you and your family?

ML/NJ

7 posted on 03/19/2010 5:48:11 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: 6SJ7

As Jack Benny used to say: “I’m thinking! I’m thinking!...”.............


8 posted on 03/19/2010 5:50:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: bestintxas

Reich has always been a communist.


9 posted on 03/19/2010 5:53:42 AM PDT by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world.)
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To: bestintxas
...which means you are probably not going to live that much longer than as long as your parents."
10 posted on 03/19/2010 5:59:47 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Red Badger

I think Reich is heighting!


11 posted on 03/19/2010 5:59:57 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: ncfool

Not just a communist, a moronic little troll of a communist.


12 posted on 03/19/2010 6:00:19 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Red Badger
As Jack Benny used to say: “I’m thinking! I’m thinking!...”.............

LOL! I've gotta say, though - I like the William Shatner / Denny Crane response better.

13 posted on 03/19/2010 6:15:18 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Charles Martel

I don’t know that one.............


14 posted on 03/19/2010 6:16:24 AM PDT by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: ml/nj

“You might not spend it right” - Bill Clinton


15 posted on 03/19/2010 6:24:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Dr. Ursus

I heard a rumor that he got taller for a while if he took Viagra.


16 posted on 03/19/2010 6:25:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Red Badger
Denny Crane Gets Robbed
17 posted on 03/19/2010 6:27:51 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: MrB

ROTFLMAO - I’m sure glad I didn’t have a mouthful of coffee when I read your post....hehehehe


18 posted on 03/19/2010 6:30:32 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 6SJ7
A common criminal demands, "Your money or your life". Democrats demand, "Your money and your life".

Isn't that the truth! Common criminals and whores are more honest and trustworthy than the crooks in congress.

19 posted on 03/19/2010 6:32:12 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: bestintxas

I know someone, big lib, union member, whose college-aged, adult son was in a terrible accident, leaving him paralyzed from the neck down. Some of this man’s lib friends were all rejoicing Obama’s win, especially for the benefits of the care his son would recieve with the new “healthcare”. I’m thinking those that are physically limited, such as his son, will be the first to be denied any type of extraordinary care, but as a union member (and a powerful one in this state) can he expect more than what the rest of us non-union working stiffs might get?


20 posted on 03/19/2010 6:37:33 AM PDT by OldBlondBabe
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To: bestintxas
On March 15, Robert Reich wrote in The Huffington Post, "Health care reform is necessary, and House Democrats should vote for it because it's best for the nation." He then went on to justify his assertion purely in terms of positive outcomes for Democrats, not for the people who will be required to live with the actual "reform".

The difference between a society existing in a state of liberty or in what, throughout most of history, appears to be its default mode is persuasion of the individual judgment by knowledge and example (accomplished in the context of limited proscriptive law) vs. coercion of individual will by force or by its threatened use (from “Your money or your life”--the Highwayman to “The American people are going to get a health care bill whether they want one or not”--Senator Rockefeller).

In the broadest terms, is the end to be a state of knowledge in which the individual is able to understand the possible consequences of his behavior and is then free to choose according to his own desires and goals, the general state of society then an amalgam of informed individual choices? Or is the end to be a state of being in which the individual’s choices are limited by others to a range calculated by them most likely to result in that state of being, the general state of society then an expression of coerced individual actions?

The state of being they're hoping for is whatever maximizes the scope of their power and the degree of its permanence.
21 posted on 03/19/2010 6:44:41 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: bestintxas

If you can’t go to DC, then go to their local offices, or hold street corner rallies. Be sure to put your signs on sticks you can then rest on, hands will cramp. Take photos, call media, talk radio, program them into your phones. Take a supply of magic markers, and a bull horn if you have access to one. Hit the Medicare cut & gut theme..nothing like mad grannies and gramps. VA Cuts, taxes on special needs kids...35 new taxes.

Pass it on! There is $500 BILLION in Cuts to Medicare, SS, Huge fees for Tricare for Life, the over 65 retired Military’s health ins. 8% cuts to Medicare benefits, 15% cuts to nursing homes, cuts to in home nursing care of Medicare patients. 35 NEW taxes to be collected for 4 years BEFORE the health care promised goes into effect! Even a tax on Special Needs Kids, like Jerry’s Kids.

Call all your Reps today.........raise as much noise about the Medicare cut & Gut to give illegals FREE health care and our jobs as you can...it’s CRUNCH TIME to save the soul of America. He’s now promising LaRaza free health care for illegals and more jobs.

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan
http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Repeal Obamacare? Unlikely

OBAMA PROPOSAL THREATENS TO DENY SENIOR CITIZENS ABILITY TO USE OWN MONEY TO SAVE THEIR OWN LIVES
http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/Release022210b.html

http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidHarsanyi/2010/03/10/repeal_obamacare_unlikely
Obama spent last week campaigning for health care reform, at one point getting some college-age fans worked up about all the free stuff — “free” preventive care and “free” checkups and so forth — they would receive if his version of health care reform passed.

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011367936_walgreens18m.html
Survey in New England Journal of Medicine Says 46% of US Doctors Will Quit If Obamacare Passes

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2798380/shocking_survey_in_new_england_journal.html?cat=75

CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion
Weekly Standard ^ | March 18, 2010 | Jeffrey Anderson

Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:02:44 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-obamacare-would-cost-over-2-trillion

The numbers are also listed on Rush’s page.

Here is one of the ones he gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!

Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

They may have busied it out, or we overloaded it. Regular numbers are busy too.

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Toll free to the US Senate:

1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)

1-800-417-7666. (English number)

Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Defeat Obamacare call list: Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS

Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!

Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE

CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/

Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

RUSH says to pressure these 2

Charles Wilson, Ohio Toll Free Number 888-706-1833 DC (202) 225-5705 fx: (202) 225-5907, Bridgeport, (740) 633-5705 fx: (740) 633-5727, Canfield, (330) 533-7250 fx: (330) 533-7136 Marietta, : (740) 376-0868 fx: (740) 376-0886 Ironton, (740) 533-9423 fx: (740) 533-9359 Wellsville, 330) 532-3740

Joe Cao DC (202) 225-6636 Fax: (202) 225-1988, NO (504) 483-2325 Fax: (504) 483-7944

New FLIPPERS

Rep. Bart Gordon TN 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986, 931-528-5907, 615-451-5174

Mark Schauer D.C. (202) 225-6276 Fax: (202) 225-6281 Jackson, MI (517) 780-9075
Fax: (517) 780-9081 Toll-Free: (877) 737-6407

Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,

Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871

Dennis Cardoza DC (202) 225-6131, Fax: 225-0819, 800-356-6424, Merced, (209) 383-4455 Fax: 726-1065 Modesto 209) 527-1914 Fax: 527-5748 Modesto, (209) 527-1914

Fax: 527-5748

Jim Costa Fresno 559-495-1620, Fax:559-495-1027, Bakersfeld, 661-869-1620 Fax: 661-869-1027 DC Phone:202-225-3341 Fax: 202-225-9308 Fax (202)225-5745

James Oberstar MN (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234

Gabrielle Giffords AZ (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 8th District

John Boccieri (D), Ohio Voted Yes on Stupak, NO on Health Care.Contact info - DC office (202) 225-3876 - Fax - (202) 225-3059 (330) 489-4414, Local Fax - (330) 489-4448

Betsy Markey DC 202.225.4676, fx. 202.225.5870, Ft. Collins, 970.221.7110fx 970.221.7240, Greeley, 970.351.6007 fx 970.351.6068, Lamar, 719.931.4003
fx 719.931.4005, Sterling, 970.522.0203 fx 970.522.1783

rec’d from NCTeaParty.com — Despite earlier assurances that he was a NO on health care reform and would not change his mind, Rep. Heath Shuler, NC 11, is now undecided.

Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th

http://shuler.house.gov/ DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422 Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734 Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: hayden.rogers@mail.house.gov

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699

Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295

John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)

Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131

Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District

Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District

Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District

John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District

Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District

Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District

Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District

Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District

Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District

Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District

Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District

Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District

John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District

Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District

James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District

Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District

Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District

Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District

Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District

Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District

Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District

Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District

Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District

Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District

John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District

Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District

Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District

Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District

Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District

Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)

Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)

senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE

Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,

Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

Congressional Dems on Twitter

http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter

And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.

At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!

1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351


22 posted on 03/19/2010 7:14:49 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: bestintxas

heads up Virginia freepers.

Obama Makes Final Push For Health Care Plan
posted 11:41 pm Thu March 18, 2010 - FAIRFAX, Va.
from NewsChannel 8 - http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0310/717521.html

The fight for health care reform is taking a toll on President Obama’s itinerary. For a second time, the President has delayed a foreign trip to be on hand to sign the bill on Sunday. By then, Democrats think they will have finally closed the deal.

“The president believes right now the place for him to be is in Washington seeing this through,” said White House Spokesperson Robert Gibbs.

One appearance still on schedule is his visit to George Mason University Friday. It will be a final local push to gain support for his massive health care legislation.

Thursday night, supporters were busy making phone calls and signs.

“Fortunately, this bill has tax credits in it... It will help small business owners like myself,” said Pat Worth, a health care reform supporter.

Thursday, the President got some good news from the nonpartisan congressional budget office.

He shared, “The reform we seek would bring 1.3 trillion in deficit reduction over the next two decades.”

The CBO says the bill will cost $940 billion over the next 10 years, extends Medicare’s solvency and expands coverage to 32 million Americans. Democratic leaders hope that will help in a battle with Republicans to lure fence-sitters to their side.

“There is no limit to what the other side will do to protect the insurance companies,” said Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

About two dozen democrats remain undecided.

Rep. Baron Hill said, “I need to see the final version. Cross the T’s and dot the I’s.”

Meanwhile, Republicans are marching in lockstep opposition to the bill .

“I have three simple questions, Ms Pelosi. Are you so arrogant? Are you so ignorant? And are you so incompetent that you are going to ignore the Constitution of the United States?” said Rep. Phil Broun.

Thomas Rackowski is one Virginian not planning on attending Friday’s rally.

Rackowski said, “I don’t really think it’s going to solve any issues...It’s going to raise taxes.”

The rally will start at 11:30 p.m. at the Patriot Center.


23 posted on 03/19/2010 7:19:47 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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