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Will the Right Find Libertarianism?
The Atlantic ^ | Mar 18 2010 | Wendy Kaminer

Posted on 03/19/2010 12:25:37 PM PDT by presidio9

"Freedom" has long been a right-wing rallying cry for self-identified patriots ranging from John Birchers to tea party protesters to increasingly extreme members of the Republican establishment. They're particularly passionate about the freedom to own and openly carry guns and freedom from federal taxation (but not necessarily federal benefits). Otherwise, their most consistent attachments to freedom tend to be rhetorical, unless freedom means restricting reproductive choice, same-sex relationships, medical marijuana, or sexually explicit speech and permitting discrimination against people who do not acknowledge Jesus as their savior. For some prominent conservatives -- like John McCain, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, and Dick Cheney -- freedom also entails the establishment of a national security state empowered to arrest and imprison summarily people suspected of terrorism and to spy on people suspected of nothing in particular, thanks to a ubiquitous but largely invisible surveillance system.

There are, of course, exceptions to this statism. The CATO Institute, generally associated with the right because of its commitment to free markets, is equally, if less notoriously, committed to civil liberty. CATO is unusual in its consistent libertarianism, which means, however, that (like Reason magazine), it is a creature of neither the right nor the left. A recent CATO report estimates that some 14 percent of Americans also qualify as libertarian, meaning that they're fiscally conservative and socially liberal (although it's unclear if fiscal conservatives who believe "the less government the better" are willing to surrender their own government benefits, from Pell grants to Medicare).

Libertarians are labile voters,

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: liebertarians; ronpaultruthfile; youknowhesnuts
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1 posted on 03/19/2010 12:25:37 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

The fiscal conservatism and limited government portions of libertarianism would be of great import.

The rest, not so much.


2 posted on 03/19/2010 12:28:12 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: presidio9

A typical (and deliberate) misrepresentation of conservatism by a leftist. Libertarians seek personal and social anarchy; conservatives seek moral governance. Neither is reducible to a simplistic scale of “liberty.”


3 posted on 03/19/2010 12:28:18 PM PDT by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: Jewbacca
The fiscal conservatism and limited government portions of libertarianism would be of great import.

Yes, but we're trying to do that anyway. I'd prefer to see the libertarians aligning themselves with the left, and see if they can reign them in on spending a bit.

4 posted on 03/19/2010 12:30:56 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: sthguard

I think you’re probably correct.


5 posted on 03/19/2010 12:31:25 PM PDT by americanophile (DeMint/Ryan '10)
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To: sthguard

Correct, but you need to add “moral relativism” to your list of libertarian ideals.


6 posted on 03/19/2010 12:32:20 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
I'm all for medical marijuana as long as it is approved and regulated by the FDA...just like any other drug.
7 posted on 03/19/2010 12:34:10 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Rush:Remember to put your faith in ideas and not people. People will always, always disappoint you!)
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The usual Libertarian rant against those who realize that the advance of Islamic terrorism requires security measures that make libertarians nervous and motivate some of them to conjure up all kinds of Orwellian scenarios. Conservatives oppose the steady advance of a hedonist culture and most chose Christianity (or other religion) over secular humanism. Libertarians and conservatives may share some political DNA but we go our distinctly separate ways most of the time, and we should. This article demonstrates why.


8 posted on 03/19/2010 12:36:41 PM PDT by Jim Scott (HA)
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To: presidio9; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
There will be NO conservative victory in November without the small 'l' vote. Period. If you think otherwise, you're kidding yourself. It's going to be mostly there in 2012 unless the GOP chooses to deliberately alienate us by backing a Romney/Huckster/McCain clone...all bets are off if that happens. Pray for America.



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9 posted on 03/19/2010 12:39:48 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: presidio9
unless freedom means restricting reproductive choice,

The 'right' to kill a fetus? Some 'right'.

10 posted on 03/19/2010 12:41:40 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: sthguard
A typical (and deliberate) misrepresentation of conservatism by a leftist. Libertarians seek personal and social anarchy; conservatives seek moral governance.

I'll second that. Such deception as this is all over America, and a reasonable true conservative voice is hard to find, basically repressed by the Media, and/or we have truly lost our way.

Libertarianism is NOT conservatism. Indeed libertarianism is basically shallow emotional reaction (as in 'reactionary') against the Left. Conservatism is, as you say, far deeper, and was once what America was about.

11 posted on 03/19/2010 12:43:24 PM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: presidio9
I'd prefer to see the libertarians aligning themselves with the left, and see if they can reign them in on spending a bit.

You're basically asking for unending Democratic rule here. Free market libertarians will never back socialist commies.

But that doesn't mean we'll bow to the RINO infested GOP either if they nominate who I think they'll try to ram down conservative's throats.
12 posted on 03/19/2010 12:44:01 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: jnsun

What an utterly clueless post.


13 posted on 03/19/2010 12:44:29 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: presidio9

Wendy Kaminer is with the ACLU - which means she is writing this to divide the right.


14 posted on 03/19/2010 12:44:58 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: presidio9

The greatest failing of libertarians is in selling what effectively is isolationism.


15 posted on 03/19/2010 12:46:32 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: ari-freedom
I'm all for medical marijuana as long as it is approved and regulated by the FDA...just like any other drug.

Like it is in the places where its now legal? In SF Hippies complain about phantom headaches and get perscriptions for "medical marijuana." Seems to me that about 90% of the people being perscribed want it for one reason: Because it is a mind-altering drug. There are better pharmaceutical options for all of the syptoms pot supposedly treats. Now, there are people dying of cancer, who claim that pot helps their appetite after chemo (there are other drugs that will do this). I sympathize with them, and would not have a problem with doctors prescribing pot to them so they could get stoned and say it was for the appetite. The rest of these people are just looking to get stoned. Even that wouldn't be such a big deal, except that when you are dealing with raw plants, there's no way to regulate the dosages. All people who seek to escape reality through mind altering drugs are obviously dealing with a reality that they would be better off addressing.

16 posted on 03/19/2010 12:48:43 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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I support the limits granted to the government spelled out by the Constitution.

There are many things that social cons want that the federal government is not listed as having any authority over.


17 posted on 03/19/2010 12:48:49 PM PDT by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: presidio9

“Yes, but we’re trying to do that anyway.”

Hardly. Gutting the federal government is necessary, even things that otherwise have value (e.g., drug issues).

It all just needs to be gutted and let individual states decide.


18 posted on 03/19/2010 12:49:20 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: presidio9

Yeah, how about conservative relativism as well?


19 posted on 03/19/2010 12:50:04 PM PDT by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: Jim Scott
The usual Libertarian rant against those who realize that the advance of Islamic terrorism requires security measures that make libertarians nervous and motivate some of them to conjure up all kinds of Orwellian scenarios. Conservatives oppose the steady advance of a hedonist culture and most chose Christianity (or other religion) over secular humanism. Libertarians and conservatives may share some political DNA but we go our distinctly separate ways most of the time, and we should. This article demonstrates why.

This is about where I like to remind all the libertarian lurkers who are about to get pinged into ths theard that President Reagan strongly opposed libertarianism.

I was glad to see the libertarian author recognize the fact that libertarian does not correctly belong on the political "right."

20 posted on 03/19/2010 12:51:02 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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