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3/20/2010 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 03/20/2010 11:13:53 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

According to the Holy Bible ANYONE who does bad things to Isreal, Bad things will happen to them.


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To: US Navy Vet

Everyone who has messed with Israel is gone.


51 posted on 03/20/2010 11:48:35 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Christian_Capitalist
"..The Church: a Messianic-Jewish community with assorted gentiles grafted in."

Yes. "Grafted in"

"....Therefore, the Church is not separate from remnant Israel. The Church is remnant Israel. Through faith in Christ, Gentile believers are no longer excluded from citizenship in Israel, nor from the covenants of the promise (Ephesians 2:12). They have been grafted into the Church, an olive tree natural to Jewish people but unnatural to Gentiles. It is for this reason that Paul exhorts his Gentile readership not to be arrogant about their membership within the Church (Romans 11:20). ..."

52 posted on 03/20/2010 11:48:40 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: tflabo

Yes.

We have all been blessed by the seed of Abraham, our Lord Jesus Christ.

Simple and direct messianic prophecy. Don’t try to make it any broader than it was meant to be.


53 posted on 03/20/2010 11:49:02 AM PDT by Jedidah (Character, courage, common sense are more important than issues.)
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To: chris_bdba

OK Fine


54 posted on 03/20/2010 11:50:06 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Tzfat
"Unbibical rubbish."

Correction: Rubbish to fundies.

55 posted on 03/20/2010 11:50:57 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: PLD

Israel’s history during the period of the Judges illustrates how God’s love for his people does not preclude suffering.

Over and over, Israel got fat and happy and turned from Jehovah. So, over and over, He allowed enemies to take them over until they repented and returned again to Him.

Good people, God-fearing people, are often hurt by the unfaithfulness of those around them.

Our lives on this earth are our chance to decide and prove whose side we choose for eternity. Most true heroes of faith lived hard and challenging lives. We should be prepared for the same.


56 posted on 03/20/2010 11:54:44 AM PDT by Jedidah (Character, courage, common sense are more important than issues.)
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The Two Olive Trees by Doyle D. Dewberry TEXT - Romans 11:24

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature (Gentiles), and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree (Israel): how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Here is indeed an odd thing! Paul uses the example of grafting to explain how some Gentiles are saved along with some Jews - they are all placed into the the same body. Paul’s message is to the Gentiles, which is not a strange thing as he is the apostle to the Gentiles, and what has happened to them is explained by Paul as graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree. This procedure is against nature as one does not take bad branches and graft them into a good tree, but it is normally quite the opposite.

Luther Burbank proved you could grow prunes on an almond tree by grafting prune buds on the almond tree where almond buds had started. While Burbank speaks of two different trees, Paul speaks of two olive trees, one wild, bearing no fruit, and the other a fruit-bearing tree. While it does not make sense to graft branches from a bad tree to a good tree, yet it can be done against nature, especially if you wished to increase the production on the good tree. This our Lord did, in his including the saved Gentiles in the same body as the saved Jews. Paul gave this message concerning Gentiles who were once apart from Christ:

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ” (Eph 2:11-13).

After the Lord revealed Himself to Jacob (his given name means “heel”) Israel was added as another name, (which means “Prince of God.”) it is a lesson which tells us, Israel, the prince of God, is the one the Lord calls Israel. Sometimes Jacob is called Israel, and sometime he is referred to by his original name, Jacob. The nation Israel is represented by the branches of the good olive tree which now includes saved Gentiles grafted in from the wild olive tree. There were some branches of the good olive three which had been broken off from their own olive tree. It appears Paul intended to show the good olive tree represents saved Jews and saved Gentiles in the same body. Our Lord told the disciples He was the vine, and they were the branches (John 15:1-6).

A. The evidence that Jew and Gentile would be a union of believers in Christ:

1. In the book of Genesis we are told this concerning the sons of Noah, Japheth (patriarch of the Gentiles) would dwell in the tents of Shem (patriarch of the Semitic race).

2. Abraham was told his seed would be a blessing to all nations and the fulfillment of that promise, that is the seed is Christ.

3. In Isaiah we are told,

And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth (Isa 49:6).

4. The apostle James said,

Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world (Acts 15:14-18).

B. Paul goes to great ends to tell us that God has not cast away His people, that it is a matter of identifying just who are His people. They are those He has foreknown and chosen whether they be Jews or Gentiles. He tells us God has a remnant according to the election of grace, which is no more than saying God has chosen some of them to be His spiritual people, as well as some Gentiles. Isaiah and David have told us the problem the entire nation had in believing, and we have heard before that the children of the flesh are not the children of God (Rom 9:8). The good olive tree given in this chapter informs us of all the true children of God. Some have been removed from it, and some have been grafted in from the wild olive tree, the Gentiles. Upon these only will God save and bestow mercy.

C. Explanations by Paul in answer to the question hath God cast away His people?

I -— God has not cast away His people WHICH HE FOREKNEW: (v 1- 2)

Paul himself answers the same question he ask! While some have been passed by, yet not all, and Paul is living proof that those of the nation Israel which He foreknew He has not cast away. For I am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin (v. 1). The foreknown people of God are those whom God has called according to His purpose (Rom 8:28). Since His purpose was to save Paul, He thus foreknew Him, and having foreknown him, predestined him, called, and glorified him. Foreknowing did not precede His purpose, but followed it, as well as predestination. God’s purpose is to save some Jews, and some Gentiles, and these are that remnant according to the election of grace.

There are those who make his people to mean the nation Israel, but this is confronted with great difficulty as the people are His people which He foreknew, which, in one sense, represents His people of both Jew and Gentile, for God has only one people, those who are the called according to His purpose - they are the ones He foreknew (Rom 8:28,29). Charles Hodge, knowing that some refer these words to the nation, said more stress is to be laid upon the words:

Which he foreknew, as qualifying and distinguishing the preceding phrase “his people”. God has indeed rejected his external people, the Jewish nation as such, but he has not cast away his people which he foreknew. According to this view, his people means the elect, his spiritual people, or the true Israel. This interpretation seems decidedly preferable. (Romans p.354)

Recall Elijah’s despair after his encounter with the prophets of Baal. While some of the nation rejoiced in his victory, the vast majority did not. What was the message our Lord gave to him? Out of the many in the nation, seven thousand had been reserved to God, who had not bowed the knee to Baal. Ah, the remnant! not even the majority, and certainly not all, make up the remnant of the spiritual people. So it is today, and will be unto the end of the age. And the truth of the matter is, it is also true of the Gentiles as well, for there is a remnant of them upon whom God has mercy.

II — As in Elijah’s day GOD HAS A REMNENT ACCORDING TO THE ELECTION OF GRACE which are chosen out from among the nations: (v 3-7)

Even at this time there is an election according to grace (v. 5). And to show it was by grace, and not the foreseen faith of some, Paul tells us, since it is by grace, it is no more of works (v. 6). Salvation cannot be by grace and works at the same time. While we are saved unto good works (Eph 2:10), we are not saved by good works. Even faith is not of ourselves (Eph 2:8,9), but is the gift of God. Too many people today seem to infer that faith is of man while they attempt to say salvation is by grace.

The people which God foreknew (notice it is not what He foreknew, but whom, that is, people) are those who are the remnent, chosen, according to the election of grace. Whatever your idea of faith is, it cannot be meritorious as Paul tells us, it is by faith, that it might be by grace (Rom 4:16). Paul is very clear that we are saved by grace, through (not by) faith (Eph 2:8). It means that grace is the condition (one that God meets), and faith the means God uses to convey unto His people the fact of their salvation. Faith is the evidence of things not seen (Heb 11:1), that is, it is evidence that God bestows so that we might know.

III - Isaiah and David have foretold of the INABILITY OF SOME WITHIN THE NATION to see and hear the truth: (vs 8-10)

Paul quotes the prophet who said, God hath given them the spirit of SLUMBER, eyes that they should NOT SEE, and ears that they should NOT HEAR.. (Rom 11:8). One might ask the question, How does anyone see enough, or hear enough truth to be saved? The answer is given in that one must be given eyes to see, and ears to hear. Does it not seem, as you witness of God’s salvation through His blessed Son, and they continue to deny and resist, that they seem to be in asleep? According to Paul they are, and that a divinely wrought sleep!

Do you remember the answer to Peter’s confession that the Lord Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God (Matt 16:16), that which a man must believe in order to be saved? Was he not told, Flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee ... but my Father which art in heaven (v. 17)? Man can preach; man can read the holy Scriptures, but unless God reveals the truth to him from heaven, it is all ineffectual, and man with uncircumcized heart and ears, will resist until divine regeneration has brought him out of his sleep. How did the seven thousand come to be? God reserved them unto Himself - and he spake to them in a still, small voice (1 Kings 19:12).

IV — The purpose of God in their fall is that SALVATION NOW COMES TO THE GENTILES which should provoke some to jealousy: (vs 11-15)

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy (Rom 11:11).

Paul’s message does not indicate this word tells us that a nation shall be restored to its former place in God’s sight, as that in vs. 13,14 indicates differently.

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: if by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, AND MIGHT SAVE SOME OF THEM (Rom 11:13-14).

The only hope for Jews (or Gentiles) is in this age in Christ. The inclusion of some Gentiles, along with the salvation of some Jews, was to be an easing of tensions between men of differening nations. Jewish jealousy could be a means of some turning to Christ through the Gospel. Some Gentiles and some Jews was Paul’s goal. He speaks of some (v. 14), and thus infers not all! The nation was rejected but not all within that nation - the remnant according to the election of grace would bring in those God foreknew, that is, His people.

He says some, not all, for he was aware that the body of the nation was at that time rejected, but he knew not who among them were of the remnant according to the election of grace, who, although still rejecting the Messiah, might, by means of the Gospel which he preached, be finally saved.” (Haldane, Romans p. 533).

V -— The promise made to Abraham which is unto all nations, Israel and Gentiles, is likened unto TWO TREES - A GOOD OLIVE TREE AND WILD OLIVE TREE - and from the GOOD OLIVE TREE some branches are removed and from the WILD OLIVE TREE some branches are removed and grafted into the GOOD OLIVE TREE: (vs 16-24)

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee” (Rom 11:17-18).

The passages, vs. 16-24, would seem to settled forever the identity of All Israel (v. 26). The two nations are pictured as two olive trees, a good, and a wild one. Remember Jesus is the vine, and the people are the branches (John 15). It is quite obvious the branches of the good olive tree represents people of the nation Israel, and the branches of the wild the Gentiles. Some of the branches have been removed from the good olive tree, and some have been removed from the wild one, the latter being grafted into the good olive tree.

VI — The good olive tree now remains of all God’s people and they are the saved from both JEW AND GENTILE, and are called the ISRAEL OF GOD (Gal 6:16), and the branches in this tree are those God has bestowed mercy upon and are the saved: (vs 25-32).

1. TWO JEWS have always existed, one referred to as outwardly and the other as one inwardly. The earthly Jew, in God’s sight, has no spiritual significance today, as we are told, The Jew is not one outwardly, but one inwardly - where circumcision is of the heart and not in the flesh (Rom 2:28-29). All who have have had circumcision of the heart (that is, the old removed, and replaced with a new one - Ezek 36:26) are God’s true Jew. God has always had a spiritual people as opposed to earthly people!

2. TWO ISRAELS have always existed, one fleshly, the other spiritual. For we are told, They are not all Israel which are of Israel (Rom 9:6), and again the fleshly people are not the people of God (Rom 9:8).

3. Paul tells us the NEW CREATION, those in Christ, are neither “circumcision” which availeth nothing, nor “uncircumcision”, (which also availeth nothing), and AS MANY AS WALK ACCORDING TO THIS RULE (that is, the ISRAEL OF GOD), peace and mercy be on them (Gal 6:15-16). The new creation and the Israel of God are one and the same!

How do we come to understand Israel in verse 26? God’s people are those He foreknew (v 2); God’s people are the remnant according to the election of grace (v 2-5); God’s people are those who are saved by grace through faith and not works (v 6); God’s people are those who are represented by the good olive tree which consists of both saved Jews and Gentiles (vs 16-17) (23-24); God’s people are those whom he calls his people - they are the All Israel (v 26).

If I had two trees, one a good tree, and another tree which does not of itself bear fruit, and I brake some of the branches off of the bad tree and graft them into the good tree, is not the first tree still a good tree though it has branches from a bad tree? Together the branches bear good fruit. Does not the grafted branches partake of the root of the good tree? and do I not still call it by it’s original name? It was the primary tree, and the bad tree secondary? I do not give it a new name, but I call it by its first name. Thus Israel today (”the prince of God”), speaks of the spiritual people of God consisting both of saved Jews and Gentiles, and is the Church of God. Listen to Calvin:

(All Israel): Many understand this of the Jewish people, as though Paul had said, that religion would again be restored among them as before: but I extend the word “Israel” to all the people of God ... The same manner of speaking we find in Gal 6:16. The Israel of God is what he calls the Church gathered alike from Jews and Gentiles; and he sets the people, thus collected from their dispersion, in opposition to the carnal children of Abraham, who had departed from his faith” (Romans p.437).

Unless one understands the two Israels, the one in the flesh, and the other spiritual, the term all Israel is an enigma. Those who hold to the continual use of a literal translation face a great problem with the term, for if every Israelite is meant (and would be if literal), even those already dead would of necessity be included. Griffith Thomas, one who maintains the term means the restoration of the nation Israel, said this of it:

All Israel does not necessarily mean every Israelite, but the whole nation, a future national conversion, as distinct from the present conversion of individuals (Romans, p.304).

Yet if one sees the term including all the saved, all those in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile (for after all, God only has one saved people), then the all can be taken literally. The Israel of God is the new creation in Christ (Gal 6:15-16). Whether Jew or Gentile as to national origin, the only salvation is in this age, and it is in Christ. When our blessed Lord returns, it is the end of any hope of obtaining eternal life - it is only in Christ this day. Today is the day of salvation. And it is also written, There is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord is rich unto all that call upon Him. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. God’s word said, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

7/8/2001

Doyle Dewberry, formerly of Alameda, California, is a retired Pastor and author of Sovereign Grace Baptist Proclaimer, Email: sovereigngrace@5star-living.com


57 posted on 03/20/2010 11:55:48 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: Matchett-PI
Correction: Rubbish to fundies.

Correction: Rubbish to the Almighty. Read the Bible, bub. And know your enemy. I am not a fundie.
58 posted on 03/20/2010 11:57:18 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Matchett-PI
Have you not considered what these people [OK, now He IS talking about YOU] have spoken, saying, ‘The two families which HaShem has chosen, He has also cast them off’? Thus they have despised My people, as if they should no more be a nation before them. “Thus says HaShem: ‘If My covenant is not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth, then I will cast away the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, so that I will not take any of his descendants to be rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will cause their captives to return, and will have mercy on them. Jer 33:24-26
59 posted on 03/20/2010 12:00:59 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: US Navy Vet

Yes, this Southern Baptist boy does. Thank you for bringing this up, and please understand those here who do not understand. Michael stands with Israel, and He will protect the people of the Blessed One. Wait for it—unfortunately.


60 posted on 03/20/2010 12:02:20 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Is Obama an Irish, Italian or Japanese name?)
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To: Rich Knight

I will continue, as this I learned from Israeli Jews and the few Rabbis that I have met in my travels.

Thank you for the Info.. but ....


61 posted on 03/20/2010 12:02:24 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Islam is a Political System DISGUISED as a RELIGION!)
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To: fish hawk; Matchett-PI
In post six did you not say that that scripture was meant for the Israel of those days and not modern times? That is the way I read it.

I think at all times, those verses have referred to "the Israel of God", i.e., Believing Jews and also those gentiles who are incorporated into this Believing-Jewish community.

It's not my wife's Conversos/Sephardic Jewish (i.e., Spanish-Jewish, on her mother's side, by way of Mexico) ethnic heritage which makes her part of the Israel of God, but rather her belief in Jesus Christ.

She knows this; I wonder why many gentiles don't.

62 posted on 03/20/2010 12:05:31 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: US Navy Vet

I have prayed and will continue to pray.


63 posted on 03/20/2010 12:07:35 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: texmexis best

Even the Ottoman Empire when they were nice to the Jewish people flourished. When Cyrus the Great let the Jew go back to The Holy Land and re-build he prospered and won battles.


64 posted on 03/20/2010 12:09:53 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: Tzfat

Our Father Abraham
http://www.centuryone.com/0423-3.html


65 posted on 03/20/2010 12:10:46 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

Then why the “huh” on your post to me. Like you did not understand why I said what I did? Did Christ die on the cross for the sins of only those who witnessed it? You can’t keep one part of the Bible for only those people at that time in history and then say , but this one is for everyone forever. I call that “Burger King theology”, in other words “have it your way”.


66 posted on 03/20/2010 12:11:30 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk
Then why the “huh” on your post to me. Like you did not understand why I said what I did? Did Christ die on the cross for the sins of only those who witnessed it? You can’t keep one part of the Bible for only those people at that time in history and then say , but this one is for everyone forever. I call that “Burger King theology”, in other words “have it your way”.

I didn't say "one part of the Bible for only those people at that time in history".

Those verses refer to the very same line of people then, as they do now: "The Israel of God", i.e., Believing Jews and also those gentiles who are incorporated into this Believing-Jewish community.

It's not my wife's Conversos/Sephardic Jewish (i.e., Spanish-Jewish, on her mother's side, by way of Mexico) ethnic heritage which makes her part of the Israel of God, but rather her belief in Jesus Christ.

She knows this; I wonder why many gentiles don't.

67 posted on 03/20/2010 12:13:35 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: US Navy Vet

I think this country is in such a mess because it’s turned its back on God.


68 posted on 03/20/2010 12:15:40 PM PDT by Overtaxed Patriot (Lock and load.)
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To: Matchett-PI
Correction: Rubbish to fundies.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

(I consider myself a Fundamentalist; I disagree with none of the Five Fundamentals of the Faith asserted by the 1910 General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church).

69 posted on 03/20/2010 12:17:49 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: SandRat

“Come over here, fellas, and see what the One True and Living God can do.”


70 posted on 03/20/2010 12:25:10 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: Christian_Capitalist
"(I consider myself a Fundamentalist; I disagree with none of the Five Fundamentals of the Faith asserted by the 1910 General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church)."

LOL. Not quite the same sort of fundamentalism as the Darby/Scofield fundies

71 posted on 03/20/2010 12:31:41 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: Matchett-PI
LOL. Not quite the same sort of fundamentalism as the Darby/Scofield fundies

Oh. Well, no -- not that sort of fundamentalist.

Heh, heh.

72 posted on 03/20/2010 12:35:00 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: US Navy Vet

Well, I sure think He was at work by sending us blabbermouth Rielle Hunter. Otherwise, we might be living in Two Americas.


73 posted on 03/20/2010 12:35:49 PM PDT by Mountain Mary
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To: Tzfat
I would say that is pretty safe (and Biblical) to say that it applies more to the 6 million Jews that live in the State of Israel, than it applies to YOU.

Those verses have always, then and now, referred to "the Israel of God": i.e., Believing Jews and also those gentiles who are incorporated into this Believing-Jewish community.

It's not my wife's Conversos/Sephardic Jewish (i.e., Spanish-Jewish, on her mother's side, by way of Mexico) ethnic heritage which makes her part of the Israel of God, but rather her belief in Jesus Christ.

She knows this; I wonder why many gentiles don't.

74 posted on 03/20/2010 12:43:08 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

Goodness gracious, are you actually advocating Christianity as it was for the full nineteen centuries before World War II?

Are you daring to be a heretic against the presiding heresy?


75 posted on 03/20/2010 1:07:51 PM PDT by Rich Knight
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To: skr

Isn’t your premise self-contradictory in view of the fact that Israel is pro-abortion?


76 posted on 03/20/2010 1:09:25 PM PDT by Rich Knight
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To: texmexis best

Have you looked at the map of the Middle East lately?


77 posted on 03/20/2010 1:10:45 PM PDT by Rich Knight
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To: US Navy Vet

Cyrus the Great was Zoroastrian.


78 posted on 03/20/2010 1:12:38 PM PDT by Rich Knight
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To: Rich Knight

And the Ottomans were Moslem, your point?


79 posted on 03/20/2010 1:13:27 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: Rich Knight; Matchett-PI
Goodness gracious, are you actually advocating Christianity as it was for the full nineteen centuries before World War II? Are you daring to be a heretic against the presiding heresy?

Well, it's only the presiding heresy here in America. There's other Christians in other countries who hold more closely to the traditional Christian teaching.

But I'd go farther than saying that I'm advocating for "Christianity as it was for the full nineteen centuries before World War II"; I'd say that I'm advocating for the Israel of God, which has been around a lot longer than 19 centuries, and of which New-Testamental Christianity is just the same mansion with a few (okay, quite a few) more guest rooms opened up for believing gentiles.

80 posted on 03/20/2010 1:21:47 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: All

Why you should never post vanities.


81 posted on 03/20/2010 1:22:41 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: 185JHP

Elijah was the Worlds best Forward Observer (F.O.) for Heavenly Artillery. Great TOT (Time On Target for all Rounds).


82 posted on 03/20/2010 1:23:08 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: US Navy Vet

Anyone who gives Israel a hard time is on God’s hit list. The only reason why God has not punished us for abortion is because of our support for Israel. And now that we are turning on the Jews God is going to turn on us and let us be consumed by our own wickedness...


83 posted on 03/20/2010 1:30:22 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: houeto

Cracked me up too!


84 posted on 03/20/2010 1:31:30 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: fhayek

Hugh and series thinger.


85 posted on 03/20/2010 1:32:35 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: Rich Knight

Indeed I have. Since the Arabs have actively attempted to destroy Israel, this is what has happened.

They are involved in most of the wars in the world at this time. Misery.

They have one of the lowest literacy rates in the world.

Their average income is about 1500 per year. (roughly)

The average income for the Saudi populace has continued to deteriorate.

The Saudis are now involved in a war for their oil fields. The antagonist is Iran which supports the rebels in Yemeni/Saudi border.

Just a very short list......


86 posted on 03/20/2010 1:37:54 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: ColdSteelTalon

“Anyone who gives Israel a hard time is on God’s hit list... And now that (our leadership is) turning on the Jews God is going to turn on us and let us be consumed by our own wickedness...”

The anti-semitism of our leadership really concerns me for the above reasons.

It does appear to be limited to “inside the Beltway”.


87 posted on 03/20/2010 1:42:31 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Rich Knight
Isn’t your premise self-contradictory in view of the fact that Israel is pro-abortion?

I hadn't thought about that -- but considering that the Israeli government approves each abortion done in Israel, it could well be argued that they deserve a great measure of moral culpability for each unborn baby so murdered.

For example, in 2003 -- 19,500 legal abortions were performed in Israel, while 200 requests for abortion were denied. So, they approve 19,500 abortions, and deny 200. In one year, in a nation of only 7.3 million people. It may be that the worst murderer of Jews in the world today, is the Israeli State government.

88 posted on 03/20/2010 2:45:18 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: US Navy Vet
ANYONE who does bad things to Isreal, Bad things will happen to them.

Once can only hope.

Yes. I am so angry at the destruction of my country that I have devolved into making that statement.

89 posted on 03/20/2010 2:49:17 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: texmexis best
It's been a miserable area with miserable inhabitants for thousands of years.
90 posted on 03/20/2010 3:01:02 PM PDT by Rich Knight
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To: US Navy Vet

He didn’t share religious beliefs with those he freed.

He was just a stand-up guy.


91 posted on 03/20/2010 3:02:41 PM PDT by Rich Knight
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To: almcbean

LOL funny, I remember seeing it in the 50’s...


92 posted on 03/20/2010 5:12:42 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: US Navy Vet

obama’s going DOWN!


93 posted on 03/21/2010 1:45:20 AM PDT by happygrl (Continuing to predict that 0bama will resign)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

No the scriptures refer to Abraham and his Hebrew descendents down thru Isaac, Jacob, and his sons and then their descendents. Since Israel includes many Jews that have descended from Abraham, it includes Israel as well. The Bible is full of latter days prophecies as to what happens when the world comes up against Israel “in the latter days”!


94 posted on 03/21/2010 5:53:13 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
No the scriptures refer to Abraham and his Hebrew descendents down thru Isaac, Jacob, and his sons and then their descendents. Since Israel includes many Jews that have descended from Abraham, it includes Israel as well. The Bible is full of latter days prophecies as to what happens when the world comes up against Israel “in the latter days”!

Israel, in God's eyes, is not an ethnic group; nor is she a secular, socialist modern nation-state. Hear Saint Paul:

Israel is the community of Christ-believing Jews, and also those gentiles which have been grafted into this Messianic Jewish community.

According to Saint Paul, THAT is Israel -- not an Ethnic Community, but rather a Belief Community.

The Israel of God -- Christ-believing Jews, and also those gentiles which have been grafted into this Messianic Jewish belief community -- have been persecuted many times by the world, and will continue to be, throughout all the Latter Days which have followed Christ's Resurrection.... until the bodily Return of our Lord Jesus Christ.

It's not my wife's Conversos/Sephardic Jewish (i.e., Spanish-Jewish, on her mother's side, by way of Mexico) ethnic heritage which makes her a member of the Israel of God, but rather her belief in Jesus Christ.

She knows this; I wonder why many gentiles don't.

95 posted on 03/21/2010 11:54:48 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

Oh I don’t disagree that Gentile Christians are included via
“the spirit of adoption” as fellow heirs with the future Christian sons of Abraham. Yet God has not forgotten Abrahm’s descendents and will and has been bringing them out of the nations from which they have been scattered. And yes many of them “aren’t of Israel”, in the spiritual Christian sense. Yet scores of passages in the OT and in Revelation, state that Christ will set up his kingdom and rule from Jerusalem in a greatly altered World and all nations who are left will be required to come yearly to her and pay respects. Abraham has indeed “gained of the gentiles” heirs and descendents as he did thru his own progeny. “And like the stars, they shall be uncountable....”


96 posted on 03/21/2010 1:41:47 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: US Navy Vet

You think that God only works on weekends? I never heard that one before.


97 posted on 03/21/2010 1:42:47 PM PDT by AlanD
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To: 9YearLurker
If He is, He’s not proofing His work.

lol!

Hey, onyx... over here!

98 posted on 03/21/2010 1:48:09 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: mdmathis6
And yes many of them “aren’t of Israel”, in the spiritual Christian sense.

No. Paul does not say that they "aren't of israel, in the spiritual Christian sense"; rather, Paul says that they are not Israel according to God:

Let me repeat what Paul says: Christ-denying Jews are not Israel in God's eyes, and therefore are not Israel in the Biblical-Prophetic meaning of the term (since GOD defines the term "Israel" -- not me, not you, and certainly not any of those silly Hal Lindsey-style prophecy hacks). Rather, Paul says that Christ-believing Jews, and gentiles ingrafted into this Belief Community, are those who make up Biblical-Prophetic Israel, according to God:

Yes, King Jesus will rule in New Jerusalem over His People, Israel:
Israel being defined by the Apostle Paul as Christ-believing Jews and also gentiles ingrafted into this Belief Community.

99 posted on 03/21/2010 2:03:45 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

Hey, Step back a little bit and take a deep breath, I was being a little colloquial when I said “Christian sense”, of course “God said it!”.

And I don’t think anyone disagrees with you about Jews who are and will be Christ deniers and how God sees them. Paul said did he not that the Jews were “given over to blindness” so that they would not come to the truth and that the truth was sent to the gentiles so that the Jews would be “in envy” of them? Paul also said that veil would be lifted en mass someday so that great many remaining Jews would come to know Christ. The OT says that as well,Ezekiel 39:25....!


100 posted on 03/21/2010 2:21:44 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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