Posted on 03/20/2010 1:02:50 PM PDT by Uncledave
They Still Don’t Have the Votes [Jeffrey H. Anderson]
The most likely explanation for the breakdown of talks between Rep. Bart Stupak and Speaker Nancy Pelosi is not that Pelosi decided she didn’t need Stupak and his crew in order to have enough votes to pass Obamacare. Rather, it is that Stupak — who is increasingly emerging as this drama’s Jefferson Smith (Jimmy Stewart’s heroic character in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) — held firm in insisting on language that would truly prevent taxpayer-funded abortions, and in insisting that such language be passed by the Senate before the bill could become law.
In turn, Pelosi either decided that by accepting the language, she would lose more votes in the House than she would gain, or else knew that Democratic senators, with their strong preference for taxpayer-funded abortion, would never go along with this concession to the views of the vast majority of Americans.
In any event, by all accounts, Pelosi is now trying to pass the bill without the pro-life Democratic vote — or at least without Stupak. As of now, it doesn’t appear that she has the votes. I currently count 208 leaning in favor of Obamacare and 214 leaning against, with 9 undecided. Here they are — with the margin by which the presidential vote was won (by one party or the other) in their districts over the last three elections:
• Marion Berry (D., Ark.) (GOP +8) — pro-Stupak Amendment
• Henry Cuellar (D., Tex.) (Dem +1) — pro-Stupak Amendment
• Bill Foster (D., Ill.) (GOP +4)
• Jim Matheson (D., Utah) (GOP +30) — with nearly two-thirds of his constituents having supported GOP presidential candidates over the last three elections, a “yes” vote on Stupak, and an earlier “no” vote on Obamacare, a “yes” vote would mean that, for the rest of his days, he would be remembered as the guy who sold his vote for the price of Obama’s having just nominated his brother to a federal judgeship
• Michael Michaud (D., Me.) (Dem +7) — pro-Stupak Amendment
• Solomon Ortiz (D., Tex.) (GOP +1) — pro-Stupak Amendment
• Earl Pomeroy (D., N.D.) (GOP +21) — pro-Stupak Amendment — yes, that’s GOP +21
• Nick Rahall (D., W.V.) (GOP +6) — pro-Stupak Amendment
• Zach Space (D., Ohio) (GOP +12) — pro-Stupak Amendment
Also, here is a partial list of some particularly key members who are leaning “no”:
• Christopher Carney (D., Pa.) (GOP +15) — pro-Stupak Amendment
• Dan Lipinski (D., Ill.) (Dem +22) — pro-Stupak Amendment
• Kathleen Dahlkemper (D., Pa.) (GOP +3) — pro-Stupak Amendment
• Glenn Nye (D., Va.) (GOP +9) — “no” last time
That is my question too. At this point people should be asking themselves why they should save him. He’s acting like Nero, people are sick of it, so why should they save him? If this healthcare thing is the only thing he focused his presidency on, they should also be asking themselves why this is.
If it looks like it might fail, Madame Speaker will pull it at the last minute.
Agree...also trying to create momentum. But that would be like the Titanic speeding up while sinking.
That would sure be a nice surprise. It'd be delicious to watch the look on Nancy's face as she realizes she's being stiffed. I don't think that will happen though. We're projecting our disdain for the witch onto her rat colleagues. There is a reason they became rat members of congress, and it wasn't to stick it to their speaker, no matter how disgusting normal people find her.
Has Dahlkemper committed to NO?
And Carney is now a yes.
I hope you’re right! First time ever, today I heard my LDS landlords say a swear word. LOL
btw, tomorrow is Matheson’s 50th birthday. No kidding.
Go medieval on the bastards!
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I love your thinking!
Healthcare is just the beginning of Obama taking over the US, then the world. While I am not crazy about newly elected Senator Brown, his vote may be the one that can save us. I do see one tiny bit of good that has come out of the healthcare fiasco. With the rejection of demon pass, the congress has rejected to a small degree rule by presidential fiat.
TheHill.com still has him at undecided.
Obama’s Wellstone minute....
Yes they do have the votes. It is over. America will never be the same.
Unfortunately, I’m afraid you’re right.
“So why is the MSM (including Fox) acting as though it’s in the bag?”
Because the left wing media—and YES, FOX is included—is simply reporting whatever it is told by its friends in the democrat party. And the DC left figures calling it a done deal will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
I guess whoever posted it yesterday was wrong
Fox is especially acting like it’s in the bag. They are intolerable today. Had to turn them off.
Despite them dribbling out a few at the last minute to create as much drama as possible, they do not have the votes.
“Has Dahlkemper committed to NO?”
I don’t know, but this isn’t good.......
http://thehayride.com/2010/03/no-bill-no-cbo-numbers-bad-sign-for-obamacare/
Update 3-20, 4:00 PM: Stupak now says that his numbers are down to about six. If that is indeed the case, then Obamacare will pass.
I agree!! Remember, this is the same BS the media pulled in 2008..remember, “Dont bother voting, Obama has this thing in the bag” perhaps if more people had come out to vote McCain would have won..the media(And yes your right about Fox, the last few days I have noticed their giddyness over Obama) is promoting the Obama agenda, if they had the votes they would have voted yesterday
Let’s hope Mark Levin and others an repeal this..if this passes, America as we know it is finished
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