Skip to comments.They Still Donít Have the Votes
Posted on 03/20/2010 1:02:50 PM PDT by Uncledave
They Still Dont Have the Votes [Jeffrey H. Anderson]
The most likely explanation for the breakdown of talks between Rep. Bart Stupak and Speaker Nancy Pelosi is not that Pelosi decided she didnt need Stupak and his crew in order to have enough votes to pass Obamacare. Rather, it is that Stupak who is increasingly emerging as this dramas Jefferson Smith (Jimmy Stewarts heroic character in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) held firm in insisting on language that would truly prevent taxpayer-funded abortions, and in insisting that such language be passed by the Senate before the bill could become law.
In turn, Pelosi either decided that by accepting the language, she would lose more votes in the House than she would gain, or else knew that Democratic senators, with their strong preference for taxpayer-funded abortion, would never go along with this concession to the views of the vast majority of Americans.
In any event, by all accounts, Pelosi is now trying to pass the bill without the pro-life Democratic vote or at least without Stupak. As of now, it doesnt appear that she has the votes. I currently count 208 leaning in favor of Obamacare and 214 leaning against, with 9 undecided. Here they are with the margin by which the presidential vote was won (by one party or the other) in their districts over the last three elections:
Marion Berry (D., Ark.) (GOP +8) pro-Stupak Amendment
Henry Cuellar (D., Tex.) (Dem +1) pro-Stupak Amendment
Bill Foster (D., Ill.) (GOP +4)
Jim Matheson (D., Utah) (GOP +30) with nearly two-thirds of his constituents having supported GOP presidential candidates over the last three elections, a yes vote on Stupak, and an earlier no vote on Obamacare, a yes vote would mean that, for the rest of his days, he would be remembered as the guy who sold his vote for the price of Obamas having just nominated his brother to a federal judgeship
Michael Michaud (D., Me.) (Dem +7) pro-Stupak Amendment
Solomon Ortiz (D., Tex.) (GOP +1) pro-Stupak Amendment
Earl Pomeroy (D., N.D.) (GOP +21) pro-Stupak Amendment yes, thats GOP +21
Nick Rahall (D., W.V.) (GOP +6) pro-Stupak Amendment
Zach Space (D., Ohio) (GOP +12) pro-Stupak Amendment
Also, here is a partial list of some particularly key members who are leaning no:
Christopher Carney (D., Pa.) (GOP +15) pro-Stupak Amendment
Dan Lipinski (D., Ill.) (Dem +22) pro-Stupak Amendment
Kathleen Dahlkemper (D., Pa.) (GOP +3) pro-Stupak Amendment
Glenn Nye (D., Va.) (GOP +9) no last time
That is my question too. At this point people should be asking themselves why they should save him. He’s acting like Nero, people are sick of it, so why should they save him? If this healthcare thing is the only thing he focused his presidency on, they should also be asking themselves why this is.
If it looks like it might fail, Madame Speaker will pull it at the last minute.
Agree...also trying to create momentum. But that would be like the Titanic speeding up while sinking.
That would sure be a nice surprise. It'd be delicious to watch the look on Nancy's face as she realizes she's being stiffed. I don't think that will happen though. We're projecting our disdain for the witch onto her rat colleagues. There is a reason they became rat members of congress, and it wasn't to stick it to their speaker, no matter how disgusting normal people find her.
Has Dahlkemper committed to NO?
And Carney is now a yes.
I hope you’re right! First time ever, today I heard my LDS landlords say a swear word. LOL
btw, tomorrow is Matheson’s 50th birthday. No kidding.
Go medieval on the bastards!
I love your thinking!
Healthcare is just the beginning of Obama taking over the US, then the world. While I am not crazy about newly elected Senator Brown, his vote may be the one that can save us. I do see one tiny bit of good that has come out of the healthcare fiasco. With the rejection of demon pass, the congress has rejected to a small degree rule by presidential fiat.
TheHill.com still has him at undecided.
Obama’s Wellstone minute....
Yes they do have the votes. It is over. America will never be the same.
Unfortunately, I’m afraid you’re right.
“So why is the MSM (including Fox) acting as though its in the bag?”
Because the left wing media—and YES, FOX is included—is simply reporting whatever it is told by its friends in the democrat party. And the DC left figures calling it a done deal will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
I guess whoever posted it yesterday was wrong
Fox is especially acting like it’s in the bag. They are intolerable today. Had to turn them off.
Despite them dribbling out a few at the last minute to create as much drama as possible, they do not have the votes.
“Has Dahlkemper committed to NO?”
I don’t know, but this isn’t good.......
Update 3-20, 4:00 PM: Stupak now says that his numbers are down to about six. If that is indeed the case, then Obamacare will pass.
I agree!! Remember, this is the same BS the media pulled in 2008..remember, “Dont bother voting, Obama has this thing in the bag” perhaps if more people had come out to vote McCain would have won..the media(And yes your right about Fox, the last few days I have noticed their giddyness over Obama) is promoting the Obama agenda, if they had the votes they would have voted yesterday
Let’s hope Mark Levin and others an repeal this..if this passes, America as we know it is finished
Maybe not. TheHill.Com is not some authority from on high. Nobody is really going to know until tomorrow.
I know. I can’t believe Fox is doing this.
“Lets hope Mark Levin and others an repeal this..if this passes, America as we know it is finished”
We keep fighting, we will umtimately win.
The vast majority of the American people are against this thing. We must never give up. Never.
So do they have the votes or not? I read 3 posts that say it’s over; I read 3 more that say they don’t have the votes; and so on and so on....FOX news is sounding like PMSNBC today....
Does anyone know??? I can’t watch any more tv.
They already have 209. Everyone has their price. Pelosi and crew just need to buy off 8 more of the spineless weasels. Its over folks.
You are absolutely right; my parents were Dems and had NO idea what was really going on. They just watched a D channel thru their D-colored glasses, got a few talking points so they could ‘give their opinion’ and moved on...
I LUV this idea...infiltration & deception cannot be overlooked as a means to an end.
Why should we just have Liberal Conservatives? Why can’t we have Conservative “Liberals” (wink wink)-
We can’t just ‘think outside the box’-we have to ACT INSIDE the box....
Tell that to Scott Brown.
“perhaps if more people had come out to vote McCain would have won.”
Perhaps if McDonkey wasn’t on the ticket, more people would have come out for the GOP candidate.
You have a point
The latest from Eric Cantor moments ago is that it is still very fluid and they haven’t given up yet...per NRO.
If she hasn't got them now she better get moving. Time is running out.
I was sure Altmire was going to be a yes and when he said he was a no I was sure it was because I though Ninny P had it in the back and was cutting him slack in a tough district.
But it's clear she could use his vote and I suspect a lot of the undecideds are thinking strongly about voting no.
Stupak’s coalition is folding like a cheap suit.
No. So keep praying and don't get discouraged.
Yeah me too.
Where are you getting that from?
Over at the live thread...
Thanks for that breakout ....of the no’s.
**We must pray.**
And continue to pray.
They have been saying that Stupak's coalition was breaking apart all week.
I'm going to assume it's not until I see more than an unsourced post
I hope you are right my friend. I dont know what to believe anymore.
*ugh* ambition like Napoleon or the Antichrist! Still you can’t tell me that some of these politicians aren’t angry at him and what he’s asking them to do. I want to see some of their anger at him. It doesn’t make sense that some of them wouldn’t resent him for what he’s putting them through.
We will find out tomorrow.
It looks like Jim Matheson is in that particular leaky canoe. His problem is that the fact that he has held out this long will doom his chances or reelection. On this, he likely can be counted as a yes vote to pay his brothers piper, unless the 216 hits before his vote is called for. He is a truly a disappointment. His father was a good man.
Fox said they have 218. I hope that’s wrong.
However, with dropping deem and pass, a win for them is MUCH more likely.
Just a thought. If you were planning to vote no, would you say it today?
I feel bad that I’m not in Washington today so I thought I can at least send some money to Landmark Legal, so I did.
In order to have a win they intentionally divided the country into two opposing groups and now with a bare majority in the U.S. Senate they intend to make major changes to our Country and in the process impose their will on anyone who disagrees with them. There is a reason why the necessity of super majorities was enshrined in Senate rules. Routine business should be passed with simple majorities but whenever government tries to impose major changes on an opposing group the bill should have overwhelming support in congress and throughout the Country.
Even such necessary major changes as the elimination of slavery or civil rights legislation were accomplished because an overwhelming majority came together to pass Constitutional Amendments or to pass legislation. When a bare Congressional majority attempts to impose major changes, even in the face of opposition by a majority of the citizens; it breeds cynicism, distrust and contempt for our government and the officials who pretend to represent us. Even if you believe that Obama Care will dramatically improve healthcare, the way it was accomplished caused significant harm to the country as a whole. But then for Democrats the chance to claim a win trumps any real concern for the good of the country.