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There Will Be Blood! ^ | March 21, 2010 | Joseph C. Phillips

Posted on 03/21/2010 6:24:13 AM PDT by Kaslin

I’m not crazy about congressional Democrats right now.

As I write this, Congressional Democrats are engaged in a furious partisan battle to pass their idea of healthcare reform. Alas it is an idea the majority of Americans do not share. It is in fact an idea that the majority of congressmen do not share, which is why President Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi are twisting arms, bribing, cajoling and threatening all manner of mischief in order to eek out a majority vote – or non vote -- on a bill the people have made clear they do not want. They may succeed.

I am not all that enamored of Congressional Republicans either. It is painful indeed to listen to the feigned outrage of so many Republicans who spent years in office redefining the meaning of concepts like “limited Government,” and “fiscal conservative”. Surely they must realize that their inept stewardship over so many years not only opened the door for the leftist now in power, but also rolled out the red carpet for them.

The contract we strike with government holds that citizens will give up certain of our rights in exchange for government protection of our liberty and property. The foundation of that bargain is trust. And that trust must be guarded jealously. Men must trust that their wishes will be respected and that government will not over step its bounds. When that trust dissipates due to the contraventions of officials within the government, the actions of government lose their legitimacy.

This view is one expressed by President Obama. In an interview with the “Concord Monitor” then candidate Obama decried the “50 plus 1 pattern of presidential politics.” It was Obama’s opinion that it made governance impossible. He was adamant that healthcare reform could not be passed with a simple majority vote. He did not mean to say that passing a healthcare bill was not possible with a one vote majority. Rather he was expressing the assured acknowledgement that passing such monumental legislation in such a manner and without the support of the minority party would rob it of its necessary legitimacy. It has become apparent that in this, as is clearly the case in so many things, Obama was merely blowing smoke.

Legitimacy can’t be had through backroom bribery, arm twisting and procedural maneuvers that corrupt and make a mockery of the spirit that enervates the principles of procedure, rule and law. Nor can it be had through default – by being the only other choice on the ballot. Legitimacy must be won the old fashioned way: it must be earned by nurturing the trust of the people.

Do Democrats truly believe that a government that rewrites the rules as they go along in order to inflict a policy on an unwilling public can be trusted not to rewrite the rules whenever it strikes their whim? Or is it, as I suspect, that they are convinced of the transcendent virtue of liberalism--that only the lefts motives are unimpeachable – that they are the good guys and in fact the only ones in government that can be trusted? They would be wrong. The passage of this healthcare bill will be a violation of that trust; it will be one more breach in a long series of abuses. I suggest it be the last.

How much longer will we be a party to promises that never come to fruition? How much longer will we listen to lies supported by evidence that has been cooked? How much longer will we allow the people’s representatives to run interference for private industry and expand the reach and power of federal bureaucracy? How much longer will we allow congressmen-for-life to mismanage the financial future of this nation- putting the security of her citizens at risk? How much more rope must we allow them before they finally hang themselves and us along with them?

If there is to be a second revolution then let it begin here and now! Let the political bloodbath begin in November followed closely by more bloodletting in 2012. No one will be safe. Neither a “D” nor an “R” following a name will be sufficient protection from the people’s blade! There is no time like now to begin the winnowing process; and there is no better reason than to dismantle a government that can’t be trusted to keep its part of the bargain.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 111th; angrymob; bhohealthcare; communism; fascism; healthcare; marxism; obama; obamacare; pelosi; socialism; teaparty
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To: cookiedough

“What can we do about this?”

We need to engage the Republican Party establishment on the local and State levels. We need pledges from them to support conservative ideals, in writing. And we need to support them in turn with grass roots support in getting out the message.

51 posted on 03/21/2010 8:02:14 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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To: Betty Jane

Publish the home addresses and you’ll be charged with “bias intimidation” or some other trumped up B.S. We’re dealing with evil here and to fight it we’ll have to be very secretive. I’m not sure it can be done.

52 posted on 03/21/2010 8:02:41 AM PDT by Terry Mross (We need a second Sons of Liberty)
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To: FrankR
""""Here's the part that is vague...we start paying taxes immediately, and that will be IN ADDITION to the health insurance premiums we are already paying - I mean we have to have coverage between now and the time obamacare kicks in, right?""""

That the question that I have been asking? What are these fools thinking. Pay twice? What idiots.

No one in the media is bringing this up. Our Congressmen need to speak to this issue, NOW.

53 posted on 03/21/2010 8:05:27 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: no dems

We’re on the same wavelength here. If this passes then I’m all for revolution. It’s past time for such action. Just say when and where.

54 posted on 03/21/2010 8:08:48 AM PDT by pctech
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To: bayliving
[ No visible signs of body armor on the nice young officer there standing to protect the communist takeover of our nation. ]

No need for body armor when you're willing to shoot unarmed people..

55 posted on 03/21/2010 8:10:33 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: bert

I agree bert, I’m not a US citizen, I live to the north, but I can see where this is going and what will fix it, it’s not rocket science.

I for one will volunteer my time and efforts and skill sets (10 years army), to see the original constitution restored.

56 posted on 03/21/2010 8:12:16 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: pctech

I’m afraid it’s going to be a very sad day. Since the “winners” write the history books this day will never be mentioned in the future. But we must verbally pass it on to anyone who will listen that March 21, 2010 should be remembered as the date America fell.

But, I still hope it’s remembered as the date the second revolution began!

57 posted on 03/21/2010 8:13:35 AM PDT by Terry Mross (We need a second Sons of Liberty)
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To: Terry Mross
If it wasn't for the "politics of personal destruction" I'd get involved in politics, but I can't conceive of ever doing it. There's no way I'd put my family through that hell, though, if it comes right down to it, I guess maybe I would, if it means rescuing the nation from oblivion.

If this bill passes, then I might reconsider.....

58 posted on 03/21/2010 8:16:04 AM PDT by pctech
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To: pctech

I heard “Boner” saying the dems were sacrificing their careers. I thought people were supposed to serve. Instead, they make it a career. I’m of the mind that no one should be re-elected more than once.

59 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:47 AM PDT by Terry Mross (We need a second Sons of Liberty)
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To: Bulwyf; bert; Kaslin
Very understandable . . . contingencies . . .

However, 2 critical points:

1. fasting and prayer is mightier than even needful 2nd ammendment tools. We really do "wrestle not against flesh and blood [near as much as we wrestle against principalities and power (demonic forces) in high places]. Without the prayer and fasting, at the end of the day, the 2nd Ammendment efforts come to naught or worse.

2. Per their quotes below, the globalists have set it up to generate chaos and bloodshed. THEY are itching for it. They want justification for martial law ASAP. They want mass deaths. They want mayhem and terror. It could be very tricky to avoid playing into their hands on such scores.

Below from:

1995 - July/August: In the CFR's Foreign Affairs, prominent CFR member Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. exclaims: "We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money."


A book entitled, The New World Order by H.G. Wells, in which Wells claims:

"It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go....We are living in the end of the sovereign states....In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish....Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it."

1996 - October 23: On "The Charlie Rose Show" on the Public Broadcasting System, Mikhail Gorbachev states: "We are part of the Cosmos. Cosmos is my God. Nature is my God....The future society will be a totally new civilization which will synthesize the experience of Socialism and Capitalism...."


A book entitled The New World Order by Samuel Zane Batten is published by the American Baptist Publication Society. In this book, Batten declares: "The old order passes from view, the new world rises upon our vision....We have vindicated the right of social control.....There must be developed a national spirit of service....Society must break the stranglehold of capitalism....The natural resources of the nation must be socialized....The state must socialize every group....Men must learn to have a world patriotism. World patriotism must be a faith....


A book entitled The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution by socialist H. G. Wells is published.

He declares that "..The political world of the Open Conspiracy must weaken, efface, incorporate and supersede existing governments....The Open Conspiracy is the natural inheritor of socialist and communist enthusiasms, it may be in control of Moscow before it is in control of New York...."

1962 - March 10 State Department Study Memorandum No. 7, "A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations, " written by CFR member Lincoln Bloomfield, in which he states: "A world effectively controlled by the United Nations is one in which "world government" would come about through the establishment of supranational institutions, characterized by mandatory universal membership and some ability to employ physical force....(But) if the communist dynamic was greatly abated, the West might lose whatever incentive it has for world government" [EDITOR, I THINK] It looks as if now the "communist menace" has been replaced by the "terrorist menace". And of course they can switch back to the communist menace or any other kind of menace whenever they want to.

1967 - March 26: Pope Paul VI writes Populorum Progressio and states: "Who can fail to see the need and importance of thus gradually coming to the establishment of a world authority capable of taking effective action on the juridical and political planes? Delegates to international organizations, public officials, gentlemen of the press, teachers and educators--all of you must realize that you have your part to play in the construction of a new world order.

1970 - Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era by Zbigniew Brzezinski is published. He is a CFR member who will become the first director of the Trilateral Commission and President Carter's national security advisor. In this book he states: "Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief.....Human beings become increasingly manipulable and malleable...

Today we are again witnessing the emergence of transnational elites....whose ties cut across national boundaries....The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty....Further progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken.”

President Bush (SR) quotes on new world order and United nations:

"Time and again in this century, the political map of the world was transformed. And in each instance, a new world order came about through the advent of a new tyrant or the outbreak of a bloody global war, or its end." Feb 28, 1990---this quote is six months before Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in August.

"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective--a new world order--can emerge...... We are now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders." --Sep 11 1990

1993 - April 21: General Colin Powell receives the United Nations Association-USA's Global Leadership Award, and he remarks: "The United Nations will spearhead our efforts to manage the new conflicts (that afflict our world)....Yes the principles of the United Nations Charter are worth our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

1994 - the McAlvany Intelligence Advisor March 1995 quotes Vladimir Zhirinovsky on Nov 9 at a press conference at the U.N. said, "There has long been a hidden agenda to merge America and Russia under the New World Order."

1996 - May 11 Journalist Joan Veon interviews David C. Korten, author of When Corporations Rule the World (1995) and former Ford Foundation project specialist in Manila. In this interview, Korten claims that: "the World Trade Organization is creating a world government in which one organization which is totally unelected, wholly secretive....with the power to virtually override any local or national laws if those in any way inconvenience global corporations....It was a terrible shock (to those of us who supported Bill Clinton) when Clinton came in and GATT and NAFTA became the centerpieces of his policy....And in a sense, there was almost a seamless transition from President Bush to President Clinton in that regard....Our democracy has been rendered meaningless by big money. The truth is there are politicians (who) are owned lock, stock and barrel by the big money interests....Our elections create, to some extent, a facade of choice."

1972 - Oct, page 28 "There should be no surprise for longtime readers of the Bulletin....that those plans include the conversion of the United States into a socialist nation....and the merger of that enslaved segment of mankind with other Communist nations into a New World Order. That goal, under that very name -- originally written in bastardized Latin as novus ordo seclorum -- has been envisioned by a Master Conspiracy for the past two hundred years as the ultimate product of all its crimes against humanity, and of all its subversive onslaughts against western civilization."

Perhaps some ping lists would profit from reading the above at this time.

60 posted on 03/21/2010 8:37:38 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R:
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To: Quix

It can be argued that fasting and prayer are but a cop out, pretending to do something positive while bleeding to death.

61 posted on 03/21/2010 8:55:29 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: A CA Guy

“I guess the author is a third party turd that wants to keep Democrats in office by getting rid of Republicans as well.”

Sure does sound like it. Political blood letting must be done solely on getting the Dems out.

Problem is that those that believe in this vile act will be more fired up to stand by their socialist masters. Also, RINOs are great at getting elected, we have them to contend with as well as third party idiots that steal away votes from Conservatives.

In any event violence will just play into Obama’s hand. The second amendment would be quickly kicked down the road, and every way to solidify his kingdom would become valid. No violence people - it’s part of his plan. Don’t forget his mentors like Alinsky & Cloward/Piven. They will use it to propel themselves upward.

62 posted on 03/21/2010 9:34:04 AM PDT by chichipow
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To: bayliving
Envision one million men and women on Capitol Hill with their firearms too. Exercising their second amendment rights. Demanding that the democrat (and some RINOs) occupants of the Capitol be FIRED and GO HOME NOW!

Not in November, but pack their sh@t and leave NOW while they can. This country would run just fine till November without these asshats running the show.

I have been envisioning that very thing since 4 Nov 2008, when the progressive left seized complete power over America.

I sometimes do this voluntarily, when I'm filled with outrage, but at other times, I get glimpses of such an event from out of the blue.

I can't count the number of times I've seen my outraged fellows openly wonder "what's it going to take?" to get The People to rebel against the clear tyrannical takeover of our country.

As I've said many times, when the pain becomes too great, and it's clear that none of us has anything else to lose, it will begin.

If Pelosi is successful in passing Obamacare, then Obama will unleash that unbearable pain upon the American people with a stroke of his pen.

He will effectively fire the second "Shot Heard 'Round The World".

63 posted on 03/21/2010 10:02:21 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: cookiedough

Yes, They will. They are already planning their departures.

64 posted on 03/21/2010 10:10:45 AM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?)
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To: Kaslin

Seems like this is right dead on the money...

What is not surprising is that the democrats do not believe anything serious will happen...

liberal-statists and a feckless conservative minority was always going to be a dangerous combination...

65 posted on 03/21/2010 10:23:14 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: hstacey

Bullcrap, they are Democrats, ready to sacrifice for the party if needed. As much as we detest them, they do stick together to promote the socialist cause, just as every communist uprising had their people ready to give up their very life for the cause. Fifty-one percent of America is receiving handouts from the government, those numbers going up every day,cutting our numbers day by day. Soon, we will be huddling in our hovels, reflecting on the America we once knew, and waiting for our next handout. Semper Fi till the day I die!

66 posted on 03/21/2010 10:24:14 AM PDT by gunner03
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I agree 100% Violence would only help the foes of Freedom. We must organize and rededicate ourselves to the Cause.

I’m glad our founding fathers didn’t think that way, or we’d still be singing “ God save the Queen”. “If it’s war they want, let it start here” wasn’t offering their other cheek. Semper Fi

67 posted on 03/21/2010 10:35:05 AM PDT by gunner03
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To: Terry Mross

I’m all for term limits. The downside is that the good ones who serve honorably would be forced out with the bad ones. I can see two terms as the maximum but that’s it.

68 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:24 AM PDT by pctech
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To: gunner03

Well then let them sacrifice themselves...Doesn’t it make you wonder the kinds of “deals” and “arm twisting” going on to vote on this piece of crap?? Be prepared cause we are going to have to have the same kind of fire in the belly we have now to turn the tide in November.

69 posted on 03/21/2010 12:12:14 PM PDT by hstacey (An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure...)
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To: cookiedough

The problem is that a lot of those doctors and nurses will HAVE to quit or change jobs because as Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements shrink and red tape expands they will be simply unable to make a living in their profession.

70 posted on 03/21/2010 12:56:22 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: OwenKellogg

I will be stealing that. It is perfect.

See below.

71 posted on 03/21/2010 1:21:03 PM PDT by HonestConservative (When Injustice becomes law, resistence becomes duty. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Yes, we must THOUGHTFULLY move ahead.

Some moron will do something untoward and be responsible for the excuse used for Marshall Law.

72 posted on 03/21/2010 1:28:15 PM PDT by HonestConservative (When Injustice becomes law, resistence becomes duty. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bert

And . . .

for SOME individuals

in SOME contexts . . .

. . . particularly those who are loathe to put legs to their prayers . . .

that would be quite accurate.

However a study of the effects of prayer and of calling on the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the Revolutionary War and all the wars since

would indicate quite abundantly that prayer has often been associated with miraculous changes on the battle front—many times, saving the day and many lives and the cause entirely.

73 posted on 03/21/2010 1:30:26 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R:
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To: HonestConservative

Let’s get ready to rumble! BLOAT! Molon labe!

74 posted on 03/21/2010 1:47:44 PM PDT by OwenKellogg (GOE 1, July 4, Sep 12, Nov 7, March 20 DC rallies -- Energy, Tax Cuts, Lift American Spirits)
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To: bert; Quix

Prayer and fasting ARE doing something positive.

If you don’t believe in them, then of course you will dismiss them as useless, but those of us who have seen the results of it know better.

The problem with your thinking is that this life is not all there is. If it were, then nothing matters. We might as well be under totalitarian rule as not because it’s all meaninglessness and dust in the wind anyway. And fighting back even with guns, is nothing more than pretending to do something positive while bleeding to death, because once you’re dead, it’s all over and was for nothing anyway.

75 posted on 03/21/2010 1:49:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Quix; bert

Prayer and fasting?

D-Day comes to mind.

76 posted on 03/21/2010 1:51:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Amityschild; AngieGal; auggy; autumnraine; bearsgirl90; bethtopaz; BigBadWolf; Blogger; ...



Referring back a few exchanges of these linked ref’d posts might be worth it . . .

Could probably use y’all’s inputs on the topic.

77 posted on 03/21/2010 1:58:19 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R:
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To: metmom



78 posted on 03/21/2010 1:58:43 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R:
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To: gunner03

Well put, imho.


79 posted on 03/21/2010 2:00:56 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R:
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To: OwenKellogg

Malon Labe!

80 posted on 03/21/2010 2:04:29 PM PDT by HonestConservative (When Injustice becomes law, resistence becomes duty. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sinanju

I have an idea.
Docs, nurses, medical servicers of all sorts should just strike, stop working except dire emergencies.....
This would surely have an immediate effect.

81 posted on 03/21/2010 2:05:28 PM PDT by cfrels
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To: Quix
I believe in fasting and prayer, and I have also seen God act in response to this act of humility and faith before Him by His people.

And I'm not suggesting that fasting and prayer for our nation at this moment should not be carried out. God may yet save this nation.

In my gut, though, I believe that we are on a trajectory that probably will not be stopped. I knew, the minute that the giddy announcement was made the night of November 3, 2008 that Barack Obama had won the election, that our nation was most likely finished.

I know that that sentiment is unpopular, and I will probably catch some flack for it, but I know what God has said about events surrounding His return, and I know that America is the last obstacle to world government and I know that America must be destroyed for world government to be implemented, and the destruction of America is what this health care bill is all about. This legislation will accomplish most of what Barack Obama was put in the presidency for: to bring America down and get us out of the way.

In spite of all this, Christians are told to "pray without ceasing". We can pray for our nation, we can pray that God will have mercy and step in and forgive this nation and it's people of our grave offenses against Him, pray that He will send revival and healing on our country, restore our nation, and save us.

We still do have that option.

82 posted on 03/21/2010 2:24:07 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

It may be unpopular, but I certainly believe it’s true.

83 posted on 03/21/2010 2:30:13 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I believe you are thoroughly correct.



Partial list of quotes of our leaders since 1900

“Full” list of quotes of our leaders over the last 110 years:

84 posted on 03/21/2010 3:34:01 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R:
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To: gunner03

Yes, my anger is great—I am tempted to vent my rage in violence but—logic tells me that would only give them a reason to crack down on all of the tea parties etc... It would help them lock the yoke of slavery firmly about the necks of the people they deem worthy only as slaves. We can’t give in—not yet. There may come a time when violence is needed—This is not that time. But we must be ready.
1) store up 3 month supply of food—and a first aid kit.
2) Have a stock of cash and coin on hand even if you must
bury it in a jar in the back yard.
3) Get to know your neighbors—those in the FR and Tea
Party movement. These may well be your only friends.
4) Form the “Sons of Liberty” to demonstrate and march in
the street. Be ready in case they set Union Thugs
upon us. One man has lost a finger. Who will be the
first to fall?
5) Get you flags and pitchforks ready.
6) Keep alert to all the things that will happen in the
next six months.
7) Don’t believe any politician —None.

85 posted on 03/21/2010 6:21:28 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: bayliving

“No visible signs of body armor on the nice young officer there standing to protect the communist takeover of our nation.”

Check the front and back of “the nice young ossifer” - note the shirt is covering something at the front and the abck of his shirt arm opening.

‘Tain’t Fruit of the Loom under that shirt.

86 posted on 03/21/2010 7:07:37 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Quix; betty boop

And it looks like there will be blood.....

We are soooooooo screwed........

87 posted on 03/21/2010 8:22:43 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: sinanju

It already started in the insurance companies this last Summer. Our deductible was raised to $3,000 (max per family - $1,000 per individual) and our premiums were raised to cover the costs of a secondary insurance plan to cover the deductibles. We thought it was his old employer who was having trouble, but his new job has the same health insurer and the same changes were made to the employees’ plans at his new employer. Hence, it was NOT the employers who made the change — it was the insurance company itself. I have no clue how this new legislation will effect the policy now...

88 posted on 03/21/2010 9:12:26 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( ~ Anti-Obama Gear:
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To: metmom

They have been planning on and setting up a blood bath for a long time.

89 posted on 03/21/2010 9:18:23 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R:
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To: cfrels

Have you seen the polls? Approx. 40% of medical professionals WILL be “retiring” now that this has passed.

90 posted on 03/21/2010 9:18:34 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( ~ Anti-Obama Gear:
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To: no dems
I've been saying it since Clinton was in office.

Are you people ready YET?

91 posted on 03/21/2010 9:20:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: LibertyRocks

I’ll have to start calling my docs and see which ones are staying, and which ones recommend what to do when they leave ASAP.

92 posted on 03/21/2010 9:21:18 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!

93 posted on 03/21/2010 9:22:30 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: LibertyRocks

I also heard on a talk radio program tonight that doctors are going to refuse Medicare patients. They will only be getting reimbursed 50 cents on $2.00, it’s not worth it. Obama lied when he said everyone would keep their doctor. Wait till seniors find out about this!

94 posted on 03/21/2010 9:23:20 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: Quix

Well, they may as well enjoy it while it lasts, cause come Judgment Day, they’re not going to be really happy about the consequences.

95 posted on 03/21/2010 9:32:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LibertyRocks

Nobody seems to know exactly what the 2500page behemoth has in it, but we do know that all these unfunded mandates (esp. no pre-existing conditions, etc.) are all but guaranteed to break private insurers.

That’s the whole strategy (Cloward-Piven, et al); to collapse the private health insurance market, necessitating government takeover.

96 posted on 03/21/2010 10:01:15 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Quix

Prayer and fasting?

Against barbarians?

You’re suggesting that with adequate prayer and fasting during the first week of December 1941, the first Sunday of the month would be “just another Sunday” in history?

97 posted on 03/22/2010 4:22:40 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring


Putting words in my fingers is not wise.

Prayer and Fasting MAY . . . be used of God as a spiritually potent perhaps ‘spiritually legal’ option to alter what might have otherwise been.

Prayer and Fasting does NOT turn God into a vending maching for fleshly human preferences.

God is still God and always will be God.



We show our Love for HIM by our obedience to pray. He decides what to answer how and when.

I thought those points were understood.

98 posted on 03/22/2010 6:52:37 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R:
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To: bert; Quix; metmom

I disagree with you, Bert, but you are a brave man to speak your mind about prayer. I wish more people did. Without candor, precious time is wasted.

Throughout history, the most successful of earthly people see little need for prayer. But then there are the strange wonders of the world that prove there are supernatural forces far more powerful than any person of flesh.

America’s history:

Washington, the Bulletproof President

Their final Fourth of July (John Adams and Thomas Jefferson)
[They both died on the 4th of July’s 50th Anniversary]

The amazing storm when the British burned our capital in the War of 1812:

99 posted on 08/08/2010 4:01:34 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Want stimulus? Look to Harding, JFK, and Reagan. Tax cuts work. FAnnie/FReddie hurt.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March



100 posted on 08/08/2010 4:15:01 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses:
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