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Stupak: We are close to deal with White House
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Posted on 03/21/2010 6:43:30 AM PDT by AlanD

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) said Sunday morning that he is close to striking a deal with the Obama administration on abortion provisions.

"We are close to getting something done," Stupak said in an interview with MSNBC.

Stupak said he engaged in talks late into the night on Saturday night.

The possible deal would focus on an executive order that would specify there would be no public funding for abortions in the healthcare bill.

"We're close but we're not there yet," Stupak said.

Democratic leaders said Sunday they have the votes on healthcare reform, but Stupak said until there is a deal struck, they don't have the votes.

Stupak said "there were eight of us" in the negotiating room with us, all of them no votes.

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To: Evil Slayer

Obama would ban all abortions for a year if it would get him a victory today. The day after the election, his Executive Order goes into the trash bin.


51 posted on 03/21/2010 7:01:39 AM PDT by AlanD
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To: Old Badger
The Birth Certificate issue is becoming more and more important.
52 posted on 03/21/2010 7:01:43 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: AlanD

They know exactly how this direction will not restrict funding for abortion in any way. and Stupak knows it as well.

It’s a scam to game the voters. Nothing more.


53 posted on 03/21/2010 7:02:09 AM PDT by rod1
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To: Reagan69

Brian Baird (Wash.) (N) Retiring member who bucked party on Iraq war surge. Another target of Clyburn
Bruce Braley (Iowa) (Y) Expected to vote yes, but kcci.com reported Braley is concerned about Medicare cuts
Jim Cooper (Tenn.) * (Y) Has had up-and-down relationship with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)
Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.) * (Y) GOP target. Her yes vote could be key to passage. Strong backer of Stupak language
Lincoln Davis (Tenn.) * (N) The Hill on March 19 moved Davis from Likely No category to Undecided column. Voted no in November, but has been avoiding requests for comment
Bill Foster (Ill.) (Y) GOP target who voted no on climate change last year.
Paul Kanjorski (Pa.) * (Y) GOP target. Also voted against education reform bill that will move with healthcare reform in reconciliation
Marcy Kaptur (Ohio) * (Y) Voted with leadership first time around, but doesn’t toe the party line. Wants Stupak language but that’s not a deal breaker. Voted yes during Budget Committee markup. Likely to move to lean yes category soon
Ron Kind (Wis.) (Y) Represents competitive district. Voted against bill in committee
Ron Klein (Fla.) (Y) GOP target
Alan Mollohan (W.Va.) * (Y) In November, seat was considered safe. Now, he’s in a tight race
Solomon Ortiz (Texas) * (Y) Was a late yes last time around. Rejected climate change last June
Earl Pomeroy (N.D.) * (Y) Voted against bill in committee, and for it on the House floor. Rejected climate change bill last year
Mike Quigley (Ill.) (Y) Late addition to this list. The Chicago Sun Times reported March 20 that Quigley said he will not vote for bill if a deal is make with Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) on abortion. Quigley, who replaced Rahm Emanuel in the House, said he talked to White House political adviser David Axelrod on March 19

Loretta Sanchez (Calif.) (Y) Roll Call reported March 20 that Sanchez is not certain to make the vote. She missed all seven votes on March 20 and has said publicly she is not fond of the Senate measure. Was a late yes in November
Kurt Schrader (Ore.) (Y) Budget Committee member didn’t vote during March 15 markup. In competitive reelection race.
John Tanner (Tenn.) * (N) Tanner as of March 20 still undecided. House deputy whip is not running for reelection, but he still will need to be convinced to get to yes. Voted no in committee and on floor last year


54 posted on 03/21/2010 7:03:52 AM PDT by AlanD
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To: AlanD

The pro baby murdering wing knows this is all a ruse and that Obama will simply rescind the order as soon as the vote passes.

Stupak will then claim he was tricked as he runs for cover.

Isn’t issuing an EO regarding a law that isn’t even passed yet, pretty much worthless?


55 posted on 03/21/2010 7:04:25 AM PDT by NoobRep
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To: AlanD

If the EO doesn’t also void the funding for Community Health Centers, or whatever the bill calls them, it is merely a head fake.


56 posted on 03/21/2010 7:04:26 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if people follow. Otherwise, you just wandered off.)
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To: AlanD

Watch how quickly that deal with the devil lasts once Obama gets his way. Stupak is foolish to believe that Obama cares about life...it’s only power he wants and he will sell out on abortion with the blink of an eye.


57 posted on 03/21/2010 7:04:51 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: AlanD

No matter what deal they *think* they are striking with Hussein, at the end of the day abortion *will* be funded by the government.

If Stupak truly was against it, he’d never make a deal with these people on it. They all know that they are whores and they are well aware they would sell each other out in a heartbeat for the right price.

This is cover, nothing more. The deal was done a long time ago, all of this has been simply fine tuning the payoff.


58 posted on 03/21/2010 7:05:19 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: AlanD
A decent man. Wise statesman. Unless price is right.
59 posted on 03/21/2010 7:05:51 AM PDT by alecqss
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To: AlanD
Bart Stupak is basically a one-issue candidate. He is a conventional liberal but who is very Pro-Life.

No he's not. He had a chance once to vote against federal funding for Planned Parenthood, and he turned it down flat. Stupak is a phony.

60 posted on 03/21/2010 7:05:55 AM PDT by webschooner (Lincoln Freed the Slaves ... Obama Enslaves the Free)
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To: outofstyle

And if they have signed off on it, we can take it to the bank that the language is meaningless and/or easily reversible.


61 posted on 03/21/2010 7:06:09 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: AlanD

If he is responding to the will of his constituents, I don’t think his constitituents are that stupid. They must be telling him no way we back you relying on an EO that can be signed today and undone tomorrow. Stupak will be held accountable either way.


62 posted on 03/21/2010 7:06:19 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: MEG33
  If there was a legitimate deal, it would scare off the pro-abortion Democrats and since that isn't going to happen, then there is no legitimate deal. There will be federal funding to kill babies and Stupak will abort his position for nothing.
63 posted on 03/21/2010 7:06:20 AM PDT by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: AlanD

You’re not fooling God, stupid, Stupak.


64 posted on 03/21/2010 7:06:21 AM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: Reagan69

Realistically, I think it is too late to be calling their offices. I doubt if they are even open today.

The Dems know that the people are against Obama-Care . . that isn’t the point. They have to figure out a strategy to either survive Novemeber , or else line up a good job as a lobbyist or member of the Obama Administration.

Sanchez and Pomeroy are sweating it the most right now.


65 posted on 03/21/2010 7:06:49 AM PDT by AlanD
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To: NoobRep
Obama will simply rescind the order as soon as the vote passes.

No matter - EO cannot modify statute, that's the same as a line-item veto, which has already been found unconstitutional (because it is).

66 posted on 03/21/2010 7:07:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Let tyrants shake their iron rod, and slavery clank her galling chains)
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To: Reagan69

There are no “undecideds”. Haven’t been for some time.

Those claiming to be undecided are:

A-Holding out for the desired payoff
or
B-Unwilling to admit what they are planning to vote.


67 posted on 03/21/2010 7:08:03 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I agree, it’s cover. Stupak and the rest know it too.


68 posted on 03/21/2010 7:08:18 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: AlanD
who is very Pro-Life.

I am not that familiar with his entire history but I can state that if he falls for this E.O. move - he is NOT Pro-Life. This is a useless move that can be (and probably will be) reversed with another E.O.

I will wait to see how he votes before commenting further but I am *not* liking how he's talking....

69 posted on 03/21/2010 7:09:40 AM PDT by Momto2 ("A sharp tongue is the only edge tool that grows keener with constant use" Irving - Rip Van Winkle)
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To: AlanD

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn’t see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

“Hellooo Mr. Frog!” called the scorpion across the water, “Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?”

“Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?” asked the frog hesitantly.

“Because,” the scorpion replied, “If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!”

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. “What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!”

“This is true,” agreed the scorpion, “But then I wouldn’t be able to get to the other side of the river!”

“Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?” said the frog.

“Ahh...,” crooned the scorpion, “Because you see, once you’ve taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!”

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog’s back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog’s soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog’s back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

“You fool!” croaked the frog, “Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?”

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog’s back.

“I could not help myself. It is my nature.”

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.


70 posted on 03/21/2010 7:09:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: AlanD

What a fool if he trusts Sheik Obama.


71 posted on 03/21/2010 7:10:51 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: chad_in_georgia
eff this guy. He is gonna be the one to push this through.

And I got tons of $h!+ from pro-life Catholics noting that this guy is a scham and if the Repubes didn't vote for "Stupak" this bill would have been dead last December.

He is a brilliant plant IMHO and will role us all.

If he cuts a deal the Liberation Theology (social justice) wing of the Catholic Church gets their socialized medicine, they get to keep their hundreds of hospitals open, and they 500,000 people employed. Remember, they need to save face as well since they vowed to shut the hospitals down, if it is a pro-abort bill.

I am not trying to be Anti-Catholic here, I am calling as I see them.

72 posted on 03/21/2010 7:10:55 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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To: AlanD

He wants his name to go in the history books as the Rocky of healthcare and the “one” that brought it home.

I think he is too stupid to understand that’s now how history will reflect on him.


73 posted on 03/21/2010 7:10:59 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: MEG33
Of course he is being played...

Or has he been playing us all along?

and - do the others in his 'group' vote as HE says - or will they hang tough, knowing the EO is as worthless as the signer of it?

74 posted on 03/21/2010 7:11:55 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: AlanD

I knew he would flip, the only Dems voting No are the ones that are getting cover - vote them all out


75 posted on 03/21/2010 7:12:19 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: Jim Noble

Not sure why Diana Degette would go along with this then? NOW and Planned Parenthood would light the libs up.


76 posted on 03/21/2010 7:12:25 AM PDT by NoobRep
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To: Blue Turtle

Yes, I don’t think the idiot Dems realize that THIS is the pivotol moment when Atlas Shrugged.


77 posted on 03/21/2010 7:12:33 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: MEG33

Anyone that makes a deal with the devil can go to hell.


78 posted on 03/21/2010 7:13:11 AM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Big Horn

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475983/posts

Hoyer: Not at 216 yet


79 posted on 03/21/2010 7:14:42 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Momto2

It’s also an EO that will never be written. The Bamster’s promises are void as soon as they come out of his mouth. This is political cover for Stupak, nothing more.

The Rats know this is unpopular, so they are looking to protect as many other Rats as possible. Stupak is being called in because they need him.

Chet Edwards, for example, has been given permission to vote against it, cause he’s in a big fight in a relatively conservative area of Texas.


80 posted on 03/21/2010 7:15:19 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: maine-iac7

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475983/posts

Hoyer: Not at 216 yet
Hope lives ..keep praying.


81 posted on 03/21/2010 7:15:42 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Maurice Tift

I agree.


82 posted on 03/21/2010 7:16:44 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Reagan69

Bingo


83 posted on 03/21/2010 7:17:02 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: AlanD

A Rat is a Rat, is a RAT!!!! When the rubber meets the road there are NO pro-life Rats.


84 posted on 03/21/2010 7:17:42 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: AlanD
Stupak desperately wants to vote for ObamaCare as long as he can get cover on the abortion issue.

Yeah. I was afraid this was going to happen. Tactically, it makes sense to hold out until the end. Ethically, not so much.

Is there a single, principled Democrat?

85 posted on 03/21/2010 7:18:15 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: AlanD

It is to bad that he was not aborted.


86 posted on 03/21/2010 7:18:22 AM PDT by Piquaboy (Military veteran of 22 years in Navy, Air Force, and Army.)
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To: NoobRep
   The cons to the bill are that it will completely destroy the American way of life. It's not even decent socialism. Ultimately, it will fund baby killing.

   The pro, of course, is that we will have more IRS agents carrying more weapons to terrorize citizens who don't buy insurance - and that means more jobs!!

  Of course, we'll no longer be citizens of a free country. Democrats frown on freedom. Democrats need IRS agents with guns and a compliant citizenry.
87 posted on 03/21/2010 7:19:41 AM PDT by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: chad_in_georgia
“How will this go over with the rabid pro abortion wing of the House?”

OK - so here is a question - if Pelosi tried to include language in the bill/amendments(to get the Stupak votes) and that idea was soundly rejected by the Pro-abort crowd.... BUT now that same crowd is willing for B.O. to sign this order.... What does that tell you about the effectiveness of the order??? Its pretty black and white to me - it is a worthless offer.

88 posted on 03/21/2010 7:20:00 AM PDT by Momto2 ("A sharp tongue is the only edge tool that grows keener with constant use" Irving - Rip Van Winkle)
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To: C19fan

I don’t think “Judas” applies to Stupak. He never was on the side of the Republicans to begin with, nor was he against the whole socialized health care. He just had the one issue that needed to be dealt with...he just needed cover for abortion so his conscience could be clear.

Now if one of Republicans sold out and voted for Obamacare, that would be a Judas.


89 posted on 03/21/2010 7:20:11 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: AlanD
Hey, Stupak.

Would 30 pieces of silver manage to get your vote?

90 posted on 03/21/2010 7:21:16 AM PDT by Gritty (We have a duty to resist tyranny - Michelle Bachmann)
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To: Evil Slayer
One minute after the bill passes, he will sign another EO to rescind it.

I'd give him a couple of weeks, out of respect for the dead babies, of course. The guy has class. Smart too. < /s>

91 posted on 03/21/2010 7:21:44 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: pnut22
I’m beginning to think Stupak is a diversion who was in the bag all along.

I've thought that all along, but then I live by a simple rule when it comes to politics: never trust a Democrat. EVER.

92 posted on 03/21/2010 7:21:50 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Reagan69
I am NOT Catholic but didn’t the RC church come out and say an Exec Order wouldn’t cut it with them?

Yes.

93 posted on 03/21/2010 7:22:41 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Richard Kimball

I am in Chet Edwards district and he could not survive if he voted yes..He has had it easy in the past because of his vet and Fort Hood support...IMO


94 posted on 03/21/2010 7:23:13 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Blue Turtle
Rep.Gutierrez(D-Illinois)is on C-Span as I write talking about “bringing them out of the shadows”. He got what he wanted for illegals in the health care bill and is voting for it.
95 posted on 03/21/2010 7:24:46 AM PDT by Bronzy
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To: AlanD

Not too PRO-LIFE if you can vote to KILL millions,
doesn’t matter if born or unborn...LIFE is LIFE...!!!!!!!!!


96 posted on 03/21/2010 7:25:00 AM PDT by mag (All men have feet of Clay....))
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To: AlanD

What Obama giveth by EO, he can taketh away by EO. Stupak is a total fool.


97 posted on 03/21/2010 7:25:15 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Evil Slayer
And why can't Stupak understand the EO will be bogus? I don't know.

He seems like a decent man, but he knows Zero IS A LIAR and will probably rescind his EO immediately after the vote.

I pray GOD will give us the VICTORY today, and send these EVIL enemies of our where they belong, crush them LORD, never to rise to the height of their Illusions of Grandeur, self imposed importance.

98 posted on 03/21/2010 7:25:27 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: AlanD

Stupak is going to take the word on this issue of a character who is fine with babies who survive an abortion being left to die in hospital storerooms?

Stupak should change his name to Foolpak if he buys into an Obama EO to prevent any funds from being used for abortions.


99 posted on 03/21/2010 7:26:45 AM PDT by Will88
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To: tobyhill

Exactly my thought, and he will. Then Zero will say “Let me be clear, blah, blah, blah.”


100 posted on 03/21/2010 7:27:16 AM PDT by annieokie
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