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One Thing That's 100% Guaranteed: The Healthcare Bill Will NEVER Be Repealed
The Business Insider ^ | 3-22-2010 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 03/22/2010 7:15:03 AM PDT by blam

One Thing That's 100% Guaranteed: The Healthcare Bill Will NEVER Be Repealed

Joe Weisenthal
Mar. 22, 2010, 9:36 AM

Already Republicans plan on introducing a bill this week to repeal last night's historic healthcare vote.

Obviously that's going nowhere.

But looking out, Republicans will probably try to run on repeal in the runup until November. It's possible that will play okay at the ballot (we don't know) but anyone who thinks this is a realistic prospect is smoking something illegal.

First of all, to repeal the vote would be just as difficult legislatively as passing healthcare was, so just think of how hard that was. Republicans would need 60 pro-repeal votes in the Senate to defeat a Democratic filibuster. And remember, they'd need a President who wouldn't veto the bill (i.e. not Obama or any Democrat).

But even that's putting too fine a point on it. Here's the real story, and it gets down to the fact that this new bureaucratic superstructure is now permanently ossified into our federal government.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; benefits; bhohealthcare; deathcare; deathpanels; healthcare; obamacare; politics; repeal; romneycare
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To: blam

I guess that’s what George Washington said in Valley Forge. I can’t believe this defeatism. The bill may not actually be repealed, but it can be substantially weakened through piecemeal legislation after 2013. Increasing tax exempt MSAs, private contacting, rescinding the taxes are popular measures that be passed.
We will have a day of reckoning with the budget otherwise. And when we do reach the witching hour, this health care bill will not even matter, it will be a worthless promise. I doubt this health care bill will ultimately withstand a violent revolution, because that is more likely than some seamless transition to Euro-socialism.


51 posted on 03/22/2010 7:31:40 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: blam

I agree with this 100%.

Republicans are what? POLITICIANS!

What does this bill do? It creates a government structure for more political favors and jobs. Do you honestly think that politicians will limit their job prospects?


52 posted on 03/22/2010 7:31:55 AM PDT by brownsfan (The average American: Uninformed, and unconcerned.)
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To: blam
Difficult? Yes.

Impossible? No.

Unless this monstrosity is either repealed or killed in the Courts, it will set a precedent for marching America down the road towards Marx and Engels and Obama knows that - its his ultimate goal.

The Bill MUST be repealed and rhetoric like this is foolish and suicidal with respect to our national purpose, unless the author of this piece agrees with Obama. But I know nothing about the author.

Benefits CAN be dealt with by “grandfathering” in any people who are actually “benefited” - and I think the bill itself only becomes effective in a few years.

Most Americans realize the “benefits” of this thing are outweighed by the problems and new replacement bill which corrects those things which need correction, while eliminating the socialist poison the Democrats added, is very feasible.

And the GOP had better do just that or find themselves without a constituency.

53 posted on 03/22/2010 7:31:59 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: EternalVigilance

“At some point the money has to run out.”

And at this rate it won’t take long at all.


54 posted on 03/22/2010 7:32:11 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new environmentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: Mr. Right Now

“One good thing about the bill is the taxes and penalties start right away but the benefits don’t start until 2114.
It could be repealed in 2112 if Chairman O is defeated”

Oh crap, 0 is going to be an office another 100 years? He’s the new Castro


55 posted on 03/22/2010 7:32:19 AM PDT by robert561
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To: MizSterious
Ah, and with folks like you, the white flag manufacturers will have a booming business.

It's the truth. When has the GOP ever repealed any entitlement? It has NEVER HAPPENED.

56 posted on 03/22/2010 7:33:03 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: blam

Scorched Earth Politics. Nothing gets passed - nothing - until HCR is repealed. No budgets, nothing. Show the Left what harball really is.


57 posted on 03/22/2010 7:33:14 AM PDT by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: pennboricua
"they might only have 59 votes but they have at least 4 RINOs"

This process has so poisened the well that Obama has driven people like Snowe and Collins to the Republican leadership. They have stood strong throughout this whole healthcare debate. This healthcare bill has changed the whole shape of old alliances. It has united Republicans like never before.
58 posted on 03/22/2010 7:33:28 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Anima Mundi

hopelosers?


59 posted on 03/22/2010 7:33:41 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new environmentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: Loud Mime

Politicians have been stomping all over the Constitution for eons!


60 posted on 03/22/2010 7:34:04 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: blam

Yeah, we should probably just give up and accept it. /s


61 posted on 03/22/2010 7:34:28 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: Mr. Right Now
"the taxes and penalties start right away but the benefits don’t start until 2114"

I only wish your were right. If the benefits would start in 2114, I'd be long dead.... : )
62 posted on 03/22/2010 7:34:53 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: blam

The Assault Weapons Ban was never going away, either.


63 posted on 03/22/2010 7:35:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: blam

Maybe but it may be declared unconstitutional if enough AG’s & governors sign on to the suit that will run the instant O signs the bill.


64 posted on 03/22/2010 7:35:37 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: blam

It is not healthcare, it is “Health Control”.


65 posted on 03/22/2010 7:36:42 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: blam

We just need 50 U.S. Senators and a conservative President to get rid of this crap of a bill through the Reconciliation Process.

The demonrats called down the thunder and it’s coming down on their heads.


66 posted on 03/22/2010 7:37:09 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: blam

NEVER say NEVER.


67 posted on 03/22/2010 7:39:06 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: grumpygresh; blam
I can’t believe this defeatism

Neither can I, and neither would Washington have:

“If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger.”

George Washington, at Valley Forge.

68 posted on 03/22/2010 7:39:54 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: robert561
Having just returned from New Zealand a month ago I see that some of our citizen's are already there.
69 posted on 03/22/2010 7:40:43 AM PDT by Piquaboy (Military veteran of 22 years in Navy, Air Force, and Army.)
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To: blam

Then the country will go bankrupt, and we will see the US default on its sovereign debt, like some retarded third-world banana republic.


70 posted on 03/22/2010 7:41:40 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
The Bill that will grant illegal aliens , potential citizenship, is championed by at least two of the current RINOs, I believe that will be the next issue picked up.
71 posted on 03/22/2010 7:42:10 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Kenny

I am hoping that it will fall before a challenge in the courts. Even if the whole thing doesn’t go, I think we’re going to see some key parts of it declared unconstitutional.

The rest of the job will then consist of amending or defunding the remaining parts of it out of existence. Oh, and figuring out where to hold Barry’s impeachment proceedings and subsequent criminal trial...


72 posted on 03/22/2010 7:42:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: Piquaboy
"Having just returned from New Zealand a month ago I see that some of our citizen's are already there."

My neighbor is a 30 year immigrant from New Zealand...he's thinking about moving to China.

73 posted on 03/22/2010 7:43:10 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Joe Weisenthal’s piece is the writing of a coward and defeatist. REPEAL this abomination from Hell NOW! Work like you never worked before to elect conservative candidates to Local, State and Federal offices.

Let us all take our country back from the evil doers. We can do this. Make it happen. Rise up!

74 posted on 03/22/2010 7:43:47 AM PDT by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
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To: blam

I think that one house of Congress could simply refuse any appropriations for the whole program. It would take more guts than one usually sees in politics, with all sorts of screaming and name-calling in the MSM and from the socialists and commies, but it could be done.

Another scenario: Wait five years, and when the whole thing is bust, no one will be able to make the program work, and a complete overhaul of the country will happen., That is the hard way, but it may be the only way.

Our biggest allies may be the slugs who benefit from this bill. Yes, when something is free, it is always used wastefully and inefficiently. The supposed beneficiaries will utterly break the system.

I am in favor of civil disobedience against this socialist healthcare, but whatever I could do in this line is as nothing compared to the damage the users of the program will do on their own, without thinking, and just by the nature of things. This program will not work, and if we can survive the damage it causes, eventually it will destroy itself.

One place to put our energy is in continuously educating those around us. Don’t let anyone shift blame for the distaster which is coming. Teach your kids economics and history. Teach them about the Constitution, and how it should be interpreted.

I will annoy my liberal friends more. After all, they have been annoying me for years, and I generally restrain myself because I am trying to be nice, and I assume that eventually they will grow up. Well, from now one I will be somewhat irritating. No insults, but I will relentlessly put things in perspective.


75 posted on 03/22/2010 7:44:36 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: Oceander
"Then the country will go bankrupt, and we will see the US default on its sovereign debt, like some retarded third-world banana republic."

That was going to happen before this HC bill passed. It is just a matter of when.

76 posted on 03/22/2010 7:44:39 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
First of all, to repeal the vote would be just as difficult legislatively as passing healthcare was, so just think of how hard that was. Republicans would need 60 pro-repeal votes in the Senate to defeat a Democratic filibuster

No they would not. With a simple majority, the senate would have it in their power to change the rules (the nuclear option). The dems would have done that this time if they thought it politically expedient. Also, sixty votes could include dems who are fighting for their lives. The political landscape might look very different for them if they are an unpopular minority. Furthermore, a simple majority in the house could simply not approve funding for any of this. The question is, will they have the balls. I think not. But this should be what we push for in Congress. States should clog up the courts with law suites and we should work for a constitutional amendment. I think that is the best shot but now is the time to push hard. The longer this stays the more futile the effort will become.

I am not optimistic

77 posted on 03/22/2010 7:45:09 AM PDT by outofstyle (Anti-socialist)
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To: Anima Mundi

Afflicted with hopelessism.


78 posted on 03/22/2010 7:46:39 AM PDT by concretebob (Because someone has to say it!!!!!!!!!)
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To: blam
Hmm, but not at the rate at which it will now happen. And there is something unsavory to be said for a spendthrift who, knowing there are bills that need attending to, goes on the mother of all spending sprees. That makes it well nigh impossible to do anything other than simply default on the debt and refuse to pay the bills, which will turn us into just another washed up has-been, just like the UK was after WWII (in large part because we pushed them over the precipice).


79 posted on 03/22/2010 7:47:16 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: blam
13 New Taxes The Democrats Just Foisted On The American People
80 posted on 03/22/2010 7:48:03 AM PDT by blam
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To: Loud Mime

The author is right. Congress itself will never repeal this. Even if the GOP had overwhelming majorities. They have a strong history of pandering, too, only at a slightly lower level. There is no cause for optimism, and only a slight hope that the Supreme Court will begin doing their duty which they have been neglecting to do all along. This whole government monstrosity should have been dismantled by the courts ages ago.


81 posted on 03/22/2010 7:48:20 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: Mr. Right Now
It could be repealed in 2112 if Chairman O is defeated.

If the Elder Race of Men can defeat the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx, we can repeal this monstrosity ...

82 posted on 03/22/2010 7:48:38 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: pennboricua
"The Bill that will grant illegal aliens , potential citizenship, is championed by at least two of the current RINOs, I believe that will be the next issue picked up."

Gramnesty needs to be shot as a traitor to this country. We'll see where this goes. After this vote, I don't see any Republicans getting on board with this. I could be wrong, but this vote has created a political upheaval. I can't even see Demorats in the Senate who fear for their jobs (Nelson and Lincoln) going along with this.
83 posted on 03/22/2010 7:48:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: bassmaner
"If the Elder Race of Men can defeat the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx, we can repeal this monstrosity ... "

Neal Pert rimshot...
84 posted on 03/22/2010 7:49:46 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: blam

If we do things right this bill will be rendered ineffectual. Such as the 15 state attorney generals who are suing to block the insurance mandate. With no mandate KenyanKommieKare is dead because that money conveyor belt grinds to a halt. That conveyor belt that takes money out your pocket and gives it to KommieKare stooges (gov’t employees) to spend (gross favoritism) on their family and friends

This same kind of favoritism and bribes goes on in SS offices, so I have been told. Such as to get a disability claim in. I have never been in an SS office


85 posted on 03/22/2010 7:50:20 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: blam

The author is full of shit. Sure, it will be tough if not impossible to repeal it. To listen to him, I guess we may as not try anything. Prohibition took 12 years to repeal, and it was even a constitutional amendment. We have to at least try. Sheesh.


86 posted on 03/22/2010 7:50:26 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Frantzie

If you re-read my post, we’re in the same choir.


87 posted on 03/22/2010 7:52:06 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Oceander

I have an acquaintance who, knowing that he was going to declare bankruptcy, maxed out his credit lines in order to keep juggling things for awhile. He was into banks for over $160k and was going to show them a thing or two.

The USA in 2010 just did the same thing as that sleazebag did.


88 posted on 03/22/2010 7:52:30 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: Sans-Culotte
Prohibition took 12 years to repeal, and it was even a constitutional amendment.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but the character of Americans has devolved during the last 40 years or so. Things that were nearly reflexive long ago are now looked at as quaintly archaic. I see zero reason for optimism. Zero.

89 posted on 03/22/2010 7:54:54 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

They would not be doing it for themselves, they would be doing it to benefit their Democrat Party, for generations to come.

They can always benefit from am Ambassadorship, Cabinet Post, or other perks.


90 posted on 03/22/2010 7:57:19 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: blam

I think it will.


91 posted on 03/22/2010 7:58:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: blam
...so just think of how hard that was. Republicans would need 60 pro-repeal votes in the Senate to defeat a Democratic filibuster

This guy is an idiot.
The Republicans can repeal Mengelecare through "the Slaughter rule" and "reconciliation". The Republicans are slow, to be sure, but they usually learn something every time the rats find a lower sewer to muck around in.

92 posted on 03/22/2010 7:58:45 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MizSterious

Yeah. He would be a Republican today, albeit a RINO, a Republican nonetheless.


93 posted on 03/22/2010 7:59:32 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I thought that I read somewhere on FR that Linseed said if DictatorCare is rammed through, R support for any amnesty legislation would be off the table, words to that effect. I wonder if for once, he meant it. Just call me “Charlie Brown”.


94 posted on 03/22/2010 7:59:48 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: blam

Note to Business Insider: Mind your OWN “business.” You obviously do not know jack about the American people. To quote a recent dictate by a less than honorable individual...

“We will go through the gate. If the gate is closed, we will go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we will pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, we will parachute in...”

But we are going to get this OBAMANATION repealed for the American people, for their own personal health and economic security.

Get it through your thick skulls: Freedom NEVER surrenders, it may be set back a step or two, but it NEVER surrenders.

And here, a quote from another who knew the awesome burden of defending freedom during its darkest hour:

“...we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender...”


95 posted on 03/22/2010 8:00:10 AM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: blam

Wait till you see what employers will be doing about this. Presently they will be fined $750 per person if they don’t provide health care for their workers. My plan costs at least double that ...... wanna guess how quickly companies cut health care for their employees? They’ll save lots of money just by paying the yearly fine.


96 posted on 03/22/2010 8:00:56 AM PDT by Observations (One Free American Patriot)
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To: pennboricua
"They can always benefit from am Ambassadorship, Cabinet Post, or other perks."

Remember, Tom Coburn came out and said they are reviewing all of the perks in this bill. They are going to frustrate these "perks" in the Senate. Senators putting holds on confirmations of former Congressmen who sold their souls for health care I imagine is one of them. That was the vieled threat he gave.
97 posted on 03/22/2010 8:01:52 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: mrsmel

Yes, I believe he said it would be very hard to get it passed. I can see him getting pressure from the Republican leadership to stop this amnesty garbage.


98 posted on 03/22/2010 8:03:12 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: qwertypie

Sen. Joe McCarthy, was right and for more than the past 40 years, socialism and communism has extended is talons into the entertainment (propaganda) industry, academia, and most destructive the Democrat Party.

What has recently taken place in Texas dealing with books that will soon be entering the school system, and Lyz Cheney, calling the Lawyers defending the terrorists exactly what they are, and all the Home schooling taking place, and the American patriots taking to the streets to such a large number, make me more optimistic that I have ever been, Conservative America is engaged.


99 posted on 03/22/2010 8:05:37 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: blam
Since when has Joe Weisenthal been a source of political insight?
100 posted on 03/22/2010 8:07:06 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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