Posted on 03/22/2010 8:09:39 AM PDT by ejdrapes
Were you around the last time they tried this crap?
Do you realize how many AMERICAN's don't want to REWARD illegal behavior?
Brother...mark my words, if you will...we ain't DONE!
The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 34 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born. Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in net immigration of 1.25 million.
Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 309 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by 130 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the world’s third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.975% (2009 estimate), principally due to immigration.
“Those campaign message points are ones anyone could agree with. (I would add that there should be a fourth point: no amnesty.)”
Keep that paranthetical remark front and center in your minds, I will revisit it soon.
“Congress? We have seen how well that has worked for the president’s other initiatives this past year...”
Yes, we have... it’s worked quite well for him, considering he has the full support of RINO clowns such as yourself, Grahm, McCain, et al... wolves in sheep’s clothing.
“...Having had a little experience passing legislation, it is obvious the president is not prioritizing this effort.”
Really?
“...If left up to Congress alone to drive a message, an issue as complex as immigration will fragment into a million shards on the floor.”
What was that Nancy Pelosi stated about “pole vaults,” “parachutes” and other such Marxist methods? Oh, and what was the results of last night’s House vote?
“...But sometimes the things that are the most difficult are the things that most need to be done.”
Can we take that sentiment to imply that yours would have been a “yes” on that “obamacare” vote last evening, Mr. Delay?
“And, for a faltering president with a disappearing agenda...”
Ah-hem... yeah, right.
“...Immigration is one issue, despite its complexity and challenges, where the president could find some bipartisan support and success — that is, if he approaches it correctly.”
He means bribes, kickbacks, payoffs... all the usual skullduggery of the DC in-crowd.
“Sens. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) are expected to introduce comprehensive immigration reform legislation soon.”
Ah, but of course! When your on a roll...
“I don’t know what it will contain. I don’t know that I’ll support it.”
Yes, you will, Tom... I am certain of that.
“...I know that their bill, along with a major immigration march scheduled for this month in Washington, D.C., will reignite the immigration debate.”
Yes, Mr. Delay, and you may bet your job on it.
“... if immigration reform has any chance of bipartisan success, ... it must contain border security measures much stronger than the current law. What we are doing now just doesn’t work. As a matter of national security, we absolutely must secure our borders.”
How about enforcing the “current law” presently on the books, Mr. Delay?
“We also must find a way for people who are here illegally to pay taxes and get right with the law.”
Told you I was going to get back to this... Now let’s pull his parenthetical phrase back into the conversation. What was that about “No amnesty,” Mr. Delay?
“The legislation must create a program so businesses have the employees they need — such as a fair and efficiently run guest-worker program.”
Ah, there is a word for that practice... it is defined as “fascism,” sir.
“In Texas we know firsthand that the only reliable measurement for knowing how many people we need here to take these jobs is the marketplace.”
Oh, yes... the “marketplace” ... once it is regulated, monitored, penalized and nationalized out of existance... so to makew certain we have positions available for those who will “do those jobs Americans will not do,” no doubt. How many American CITIZENS are now unemployed?
“...What we don’t need is another czar, summit or federal agency that creates artificial limitations on supply and demand.”
But don’t let that stop you, Mr. Delay... After all, sir, what have you done to cut back on the scope and size of federal power? No, lets just institute a new government boondoggle to import cheap labor that undermines the American economy, the American taxpayer and the American Constitution... Amnesty by any other name.
“...Our country will never build a wall tall enough or a ditch wide enough to keep a man from feeding his family.”
Funny that does not seem to be a problem for Mexico on their southern border. That does not seem to be a problem in most countries that actually ENFORCE their borders.
“...Finding a comprehensive solution to illegal immigration means that isn’t our only answer. Unfortunately, the president seems to have other priorities.”
Yes, and he just got his numero uno accomplished, no thanks to you, Mr. Delay.
The amnesty bill is as good as passed. While I do think our party will win major points over last night’s debacle, I do NOT think opposing a done deal like amnesty is going to result in a good outcome for the party.
Remember, when those voters come online, and they WILL, do you want them ticked at the Republican party, or merely ambivalent?
What neither of the earlier replies to msg. take into account, is that they will be new voters. It won’t be just us next election, it will be us and the new “them”.
At least if these new voters aren’t ticked at us, we have a chance of eventually convincing them to come to our side.
The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship.
The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, and Arizona proving that it does. During the 2006 amnesty debate, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) commissioned a Zogby poll offering respondents not the false choice between mass deportation or amnesty (a word CIS did not use in the survey), but rather a three-way choice between mass deportation, earned legalization, and attrition — and attrition was preferred two-to-one over legalization.
Excellent point. Israel has the will and we don't, at least, not yet.
Israel is a small country with a small population, our pooh-poohers cry. But it also has a small tax base and much higher ratio of walls needed per capita due to the irregular nature of these walls.
We have, by comparison, a clearly defined border with an additional advantage of natural barriers defining much of it. We also have the problem of border communities opposing the wall over such slogans as "We don't want to divide families or communities!" To such there are two answers:
Tom Delay is the Nerf hammer.
useless.
They have been throwing the 12-million figure around for nearly a decade now. The true number is probably closer to 20 million. With chain migration we could easily be looking at another 20-30 million. If you have not noticed, the illegals are not doctors, dentists and craftsmen. The average illegal has completed 6th grade.
Any suggestions as to how we are going to pay for this?
“The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws “
Or like this statement by one of our resident squatter support squad.....pay attention to the tactic. They just want us to give up and roll over.
“I do NOT think opposing a done deal like amnesty is going to result in a good outcome for the party.”
“Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.”
- Michael Crichton
Immigration, Political Realignment, and the Demise of Republican Political Prospects
An Examination of Minority Voters’ Views on Immigration
"While it is sometimes assumed that minorities, particularly Hispanics, favor increased immigration and legalization for illegal immigrants, a new Zogby survey finds that minority voters’ views are more complex. The poll of Hispanic, Asian-American, and African-American likely voters finds some support for legalization. But overall each of these groups prefers enforcement and for illegal immigrants to return home. Moreover, significant majorities of all three groups think that the current level of immigration is too high. These views are in sharp contrast to the leaders of most ethnic advocacy organizations, who argue for increased immigration and legalization of illegal immigrants. The survey used neutral language, avoiding such terms as “amnesty,” “illegal alien,” or “undocumented.”
That's why we have a freaking immigration process in the first place-- to weed out those not willing to spend the time and effort which it requires to be a good American citizen.
If a special path to citizenship is created for illegal aliens, it ought to be at least a little more difficult than the path for those who came here legally in the first place.
You are a damned fool to think otherwise.
“History has proven over & over that no country has survived intact the invasion of great numbers of foreigners with no interest in learning the prevailing language, culture & customs, its history and laws. We will not survive this invasion if it is allowed to continue and we will become “Mexamerica”, “Amerimexico”—whatever.
You are a damned fool to think otherwise. “
Face this fact, there are those here who claim ‘conservatism’ but actually want exactly what you describe.
There should be no special path. There are over 3 million intending immigrants overseas who have completed all of the paperwork and are waiting for their turn to enter. Many of them are living in hellholes and don't have the benefits of living in the US like the illegals who are really at the head of the line.
The Republican Party has failed miserably to counter the Democrat political strategy on the issue of immigration. They have been cowed and intimidated, fearing that unless they adapt to the new demographic reality forged by mass immigration over the past 45 years, the GOP will become politically irrelevant and powerless. These fears resulted in the nomination of Presidential candidate John McCain, a self-described maverick who supported amnesty and pandered to extremist groups like La Raza. On the issue of immigration, the American people were offered an echo, not a choice in 2008 with both Obama and McCain holding the same views. The Republican Party has focused primarily on illegal immigration and border security, because they are less controversial and require little political courage to address. Legal immigration is rarely discussed because it is fraught with perceived political danger.
More importantly, the immigration issue has deeply divided the Republican Party. President Bush and Presidential nominee McCain supported amnesty bills (Hagel-Martinez in 2006 and McCain-Kennedy in 2007) against the majority of their own party. Moreover, we had the sorry spectacle of people like Karl Rove and Lindsey Graham castigating their fellow Republicans who opposed amnesty using such epithets as bigots, racists, and nativists. These criticisms just reinforce the Democrat branding of the GOP and alienate minorities who perceive that they are not welcome in the party. Moreover, being branded as a “racist” political party hurts the GOP in recruiting new members, regardless of race or ethnicity. America is not a racist country and no one wants to be associated with a racist organization.
The irony is that immigration can be a winning issue for Republicans. Our views on immigration actually coincide with those of the majority of the American people. We need not be apologetic or defensive. Republicans must be more proactive and less reactive. They must be willing to take a principled stand on the issue even if it means polarization, being the object of demagoguery, and short-term political losses. Unless Republicans redefine the battlefield and terms of engagement, they will continue to lose the war.
“The irony is that immigration can be a winning issue for Republicans. Our views on immigration actually coincide with those of the majority of the American people. We need not be apologetic or defensive. Republicans must be more proactive and less reactive. They must be willing to take a principled stand on the issue even if it means polarization, being the object of demagoguery, and short-term political losses. Unless Republicans redefine the battlefield and terms of engagement, they will continue to lose the war. “
Well said!
Good post, Kabar.
I don’t call them ‘conservatives’, they are ANARCHISTS.
He is not a traitor. He is a Texan. Texans agree with him...and Cornyn and Perry and Hutchison. Seems Texans view immigration differently than the rest of the country. But as usual...Texans do not care if the rest of the country agrees with them.
There is a real good reason, or reasons, that people do not listen to Delay.
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