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1 posted on 03/22/2010 3:42:17 PM PDT by Heartlander2
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It appears quite a number of States will take this unconstitutional healthcare bill to court.


2 posted on 03/22/2010 3:45:51 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: Heartlander2

Mr. Suthers, you sir are an American hero.


3 posted on 03/22/2010 3:49:37 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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Souther is one of the few ‘pubs in state gov’t.


4 posted on 03/22/2010 3:51:06 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: Heartlander2

Suthers, that is.


5 posted on 03/22/2010 3:51:24 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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“Such an expansion of the current understanding of the commerce clause would leave no private sphere of individual commercial decision making beyond the reach of the federal government. Congress could make any citizen buy any product or service it wanted, if buying it would be commercial activity subject to the interstate commerce clause. Such an expansion of federal power would render the 10th Amendment meaningless.”

This core argument seems so obvious and compelling to me (no constitutional scholar,to be sure) that if the SCOTUS sees it otherwise, I will know that we no longer live in a constitutional republic. It would almost shock me if the decision were not unanimous.


6 posted on 03/22/2010 3:52:42 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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Awesome. Can they rip other parts out of this stinking BS law to gut it?


7 posted on 03/22/2010 3:56:58 PM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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Godspeed in your fight against tyranny.


8 posted on 03/22/2010 4:02:15 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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It is unconstitutional. You cannot mandate an individual purchase any item-period. If they allow this to be called law, the citizens of the United States have zero rights. They’ll force you to buy their treasury notes and other “goods” they deem are for the general welfare. There’s simply no way this can stand. They also cannot tax an individual solely as a means of controlling conduct that it could not otherwise reach through the commerce clause or any other constitutional provision. That’s a Supreme Court ruling.

I get so sick of the “well they make you buy car insurance.” First of all that’s not true-IF you want to drive a vehicle you have to have liability insurance to protect other drivers. And this is done at the state level, where powers not delegated to the Federal government are granted.


11 posted on 03/22/2010 4:06:50 PM PDT by NoobRep
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WHEW!!

I was getting worried that Colorado wouldn’t make it on the list.

YAY!!!


13 posted on 03/22/2010 4:11:15 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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Congress is attempting, for the first time in our history, to use the interstate commerce power to regulate citizens who choose not to engage in a commercial activity....

Congress claims a legitimate mandate from the Commerce Clause, which in this case has the effect of penalizing American citizens for being "non-commercial" in their behavior. That is, if they refuse to engage in the mandated commercial activity — which isn't even interstate commerce. The current regime of state regulation pretty much ensures that. What power does Congress have to intervene in intrastate commerce?

ObamaKare requires everyone to buy what amounts to a one-size-fits-all insurance policy that Obama and Congress insist we MUST buy, in effect, as a congressionally-constructed, newly imagined condition of citizenship.

Beyond its failure to reach to intrastate commerce, how can Congress use the Commerce Clause to penalize non-commercial activity? I.e., the free choice of a citizen to not engage in commerce?

Am I alone in thinking this is is actually an inversion of the Commerce Clause, which renders its original constitutional meaning totally senseless?

14 posted on 03/22/2010 4:12:37 PM PDT by betty boop (Moral law is not rooted in factual laws of nature; they only tell us what happens, not what ought to)
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Deem it so, Scotty!

Virginia Lawmakers Say "No" To Health Care Reform (First in the Nation)

Idaho first to sign law against health care reform

Kansas one of 37 states challenging federal health care reform (STOPPING THE COMMUNIST TAKEOVER!)

15 posted on 03/22/2010 4:18:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Down a lazy river ...)
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The Colorado AG makes a good point. This bill forces people to engag ein interstate commerce and then subjects them to federal interstate commerce laws.

This is slavery, a violation of the 13th amendment.


19 posted on 03/22/2010 4:23:08 PM PDT by CodeToad
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Tenth talk makes me giddy especially about CommieCare. Why should the various states take this lawlessness and abuse from a bunch of socialist hacks in DC? The tribute they extort is bad enough


22 posted on 03/22/2010 4:28:08 PM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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Hit these Rats from multiple fronts and make them regret the day they ever voted for this travesty.


24 posted on 03/22/2010 4:30:42 PM PDT by tflabo (We c)
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If the bill would have allowed interstate insurance they might have some say.


25 posted on 03/22/2010 4:33:45 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Stupak, At least Chamberlain got a piece of paper.)
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Colorado? COLORADO??? Go on witcho bad self!

Such an expansion of federal power would render the 10th Amendment meaningless.

Not to mention the entire Constitution. What good is our Constitution, designed primarily to keep the feral government within specific enumerated powers if the feral government gets to decide what is and is not an enumerated power? The States as a party to the compact certainly DO have a say in where the federales can go. I know Texas and a few other States will in short order tell 'em exactly where to go! Odinga and his czars need to be taken down a few notches.

Colorado has entered the room!





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33 posted on 03/22/2010 4:49:27 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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GREAT NEWS!


36 posted on 03/22/2010 4:54:41 PM PDT by ironwill (III - Molon Labe)
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I want to see statutes in as many states as possible like the following:

(a) No citizen of the State shall be compelled to engage in any form of commerce, whether intra-state or interstate.

(b) No government agent, whether acting in a capacity as law enforcement or any other capacity, whether acting in the name of the State or the Federal government, shall enforce or attempt to enforce any law, regulation, or other act compelling any citizen of the State to engage in any form of commerce.

(c) Violation of (b) shall be considered a Class II Felony.

(d) The Attorney General shall prosecute any agent who violates (b).

(e) The Governor shall direct State law enforcement to enforce (b).

(f) The Governor shall direct State law enforcement to actively prevent violations of (b).

(g) Willfully ignoring violations or imminent violations of (b) shall be considered a Class III Felony.


37 posted on 03/22/2010 5:07:10 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is is armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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and so it begins...
42 posted on 03/22/2010 5:32:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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There’s this article, too.

Obamacare draws ire of state attorneys general; legal action planned

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2684-Law-Enforcement-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Obamacare-draws-ire-of-state-attorneys-general-legal-action-planned

‘”It’s ridiculous to think that the answer to having people who cannot afford health insurance is to pass a law ordering them to purchase policies they can’t afford under penalty of $750 fines,” said attorney and political strategist Mike Baker.’


43 posted on 03/22/2010 5:34:01 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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