Posted on 03/22/2010 6:32:13 PM PDT by SeattleBruce
“if prohibition can be repealed this can too”
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I’m pretty depressed and not very hopeful,but you absolutely make a fantastic point! Think of the special interests (read: Mob!) who probably didn’t want prohibition repealed!
Maybe we can do this! :)
I like this metaphor on Big Government about what the RATS just did:
http://biggovernment.com/mikeflynn/2010/03/21/obamacare-to-pass-or-not-to-pass/
“The Democrats and the White House are lost in a legislative “fog of war” right now. They are focused on twisting enough arms, offering jobs and negotiating specific “deals” (bribes) to get them to 216 votes. Their attention and energy is focused exclusively on a final vote in the House tonight. No one is looking even one minute beyond that horizon. They are like a general who pours all his reserves into taking a symbolic bridge, never realizing that his lines have already collapsed and his flanks have been turned. They may take the bridge and get to 216 votes. (I’ve learned to never bet against Congressional leadership and an Administration united for a single legislative victory. ) But, they have already lost the war. They have deluded themselves that if they can…just…get…this…bill…passed, the public’s anger and attention will subside, they can put health care ‘behind them’ and they can focus on other ‘popular’ measures that will shore up their election prospects in November.”
That’s some sweet stuff right there! Thanks!
ROFL!!! I love it! I love it! Only the finest for Speaker Pelosi!
Agree. We also need to delay - delay - delay.
Love your theory and in a perfect world it would work, but the markets on the provider and facility side are closed due to education requirements, licensure, and regulation. Supply is not elastic.Education requirements are elastic and multi-faceted, and I am not talking about dumbing down requirements for physicians, so don't waste time with that canned response :) Same goes for licensure. As for regulation, is that not what we are talking about reforming?
Look, it is my humble opinion that we need comprehensive reform that addresses everything it possibly can by reforming regulations and employing the free market and free market principles - particularly by addressing the supply side of healthcare. We need to start thinking about solutions. You will not get the support of the American people by merely repealing it. They will want reform and solutions. Healthcare does need reform.
“My biggest fear is a repeat of 1994 and 1996. The Republicans take over the House and Senate, the voters forget why they were disgusted with the Democrats, and two years later Obama gets re-elected.
In 1994, no one expected Clinton to get re-elected to a second term.”
Yeah. What you said.
“Actually, a constitutional convention may be the best way to kill Obamanation health care deform.
On this point, I have to defer to Levin, who derived his take from Barry Goldwater. A Con Convention would open up *everything* to negotiation, overthrow, nullification, etc; etc; In the current climate, it would be chaotic beyond anything the worst anarchist in history could ever dream of. Stated differently, do you think you’d be happier with a Constitution crafted by the likes of Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, Madison et al...or Barney Frank, Harry Reid, Pelosi, and Maxine Waters?
Get back to me on that one, LOL. (not really)
Even if Zero was removed, wouldn’t Biden simply sign the bill as the new POTUS ?
Well keep this in mind too: Social Security and Medicare were popular when they passed, and they still are services people want (although I’d rather just have lower taxes instead; I’m just saying what most of the general public probably thinks).
Obamacare is a complete joke in comparison. Even CNN’s poll shows majority disapproval.
The Federal government and almost all States impose high income tax rates on Doctors because they happen to have high incomes. At the margins, most doctors have a combined income tax rate over 50%. If we had a flat 10% Federal income tax rate, we’d collect the same total income tax revenue, but Doctors could cut their rates 30% and still come out ahead.
A neurosurgeon in America pays over $200K/yr for malpractice insurance while an equivalent neurosurgeon in Canada pays $30K. How much lower would Doctor’s fees be if malpractice tort was like Canada’s ? In Canada, it isn’t that people aren’t allowed to sue doctors, but their Doctor’s association provides the malpractice coverage and fights every case to discourage nuisance lawsuits. In addition, there are $300K caps on ‘pain and suffering’ damages. So when only ‘economic damages’ can be really large and nuisance lawsuits go away, malpractice insurance costs Canadian doctors a reasonable amount rather than up to 30% for American doctors. And then there is the estimated 10% of doctors’ fees that goes to unnecessary testing known as “defensive medicine”. Apparently Canadian doctors gross only half what American doctors do, but actually have similar net income.
So if we stop punishing doctors for their success, and stop rewarding lawyers for bringing nuisance suits, it seems like we could cut the cost of health care in half.
Socialist Smackdown! Has a nice ring to it!!
The best way to influence all the liberals you know is to emphasize the thousands of enforcer IRS agents that will be breathing down their throats and checking once a month if they need to be fined big money. Trust me. That will be the only talking point needed to turn things our direction.
“the voters forget why they were disgusted with the Democrats,”
The key will be the economy. If it does improve, memories will be short.
I guess he forgot the following:
Department of Education - created 1979 - repealed ???
And secondly, exactly how is the health-care bill going to be repealed if Republicans take back the House? We’ll have a barely Democrat-controlled Senate and Obama sitting in office. The last I checked, if one is going to push legislation, you need 2/3rd of both the House *AND* Senate to override a Presidential veto.
So, tell me again, oh brilliant author... how *ARE* we going to get that 2/3rd’s control over the Senate in 2010? You know, the 2/3rd we need in order to make your article true in any way, shape, or form?
Yeah, cause winning back political control is all that matters. Not actually *DOING* anything to repeal these monstrosities, of course.
It’s all about control.
Especially if repeal of Obamacare is a "platform" item that they run on.
Repeal won't be possible until Obama is out of office, but the GOP majority in the House can effectively defund the system until then.
And exactly how will that become law? You’ll need the Obamanation’s signature, you know.
Either that, or 2/3rds majority in the House *AND* Senate. And if we’ve got that (fat chance), we would have the votes to repeal it in the first place!!!
That bears repeating. Thank you.
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