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The GOP Storm on Health Care Begins to Subside (BS! The storm is strong and we'll vote the Rats out)
Time ^ | 3/23/2010 | Jay Newton-Small

Posted on 03/24/2010 3:49:26 AM PDT by tobyhill

With the help of TIME's Katy Steinmetz:

The last few weeks Senate Republicans were all sturm und drang. “The American people are getting tired of this crap,” Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican told ABC's This Week. “If [Democrats do reconciliation], it's going to poison the well for anything else they would like to achieve this year or thereafter.” Stories were written about how they'd bring down the bill in the Senate, drag out the process, kill the bill.

This week, as President Obama basks in the glow of finally getting health care passed the reconciliation fixes sent to the Senate seem not quite so life-and-death. After all, the Tea Party activists have all gone home, the bill has been signed in to law and many of the fixes – such as the stripping out of sweetheart deals – are popular on both sides of the aisle. “I'm not willing to go so far yet as” to write off all bipartisan cooperation, Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican who heads the NRSC, told reporters today. “I still hope that on things like financial regulatory reform we'll be able to see some bipartisan cooperation.

Republicans seem to realize they have lost the momentum, if not the narrative. “What does [filibustering by amendment] do? All that does is, you beat your own drum but you don't accomplish anything,” said Senator Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican who once said he planned to offer hundreds amendments – his office now says it'll be more like a few dozen. “We're not up here to delay. If we can't win, we can't win.” Nearly everyone thinks the Senate will adjourn by the end of the week for their Easter recess as planned.

(Excerpt) Read more at swampland.blogs.time.com ...


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1 posted on 03/24/2010 3:49:26 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Jay’s whistling past the graveyard.


2 posted on 03/24/2010 3:54:30 AM PDT by Rocko
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To: tobyhill
Be aware of how the RATs will try to corrupt the mid term elections and beyond to permanently hold power based on the two links below.

Forget amnesty, look where Democrats now hunt for votes

Soros Eyes Secretaries
3 posted on 03/24/2010 3:54:46 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: tobyhill

The Brits thought the same thing.... It’s called the quiet of reloading.


4 posted on 03/24/2010 3:56:55 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: tobyhill

Wishful thinking by the libs.


5 posted on 03/24/2010 3:57:47 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: tobyhill
Are these people at Time actually stupid enough to think all that anger has disappeared in THREE DAYS? If they're going to be the propaganda arm of the Obama administration at least they should be realistic about it and wait 6 months or so before claiming the anger is subsiding.
6 posted on 03/24/2010 3:59:51 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Rocko

And the graves have begun to release their ghosts in earnest.


7 posted on 03/24/2010 4:00:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: nhwingut

Now there is not a bill to fight; there’s legislation.


8 posted on 03/24/2010 4:00:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: tobyhill

TIME Magazine is largely irrelevant in the digital age. They have yet to recognize their own extinction.

That said, they’re not above trying to Push Poll a Dan Rather agenda.

Soon enough they’ll be gone.


9 posted on 03/24/2010 4:00:44 AM PDT by IncPen (HEY GORE -- GIVE BACK THE OSCAR! - GIVE BACK THE NOBEL! ANSWER THE HOAX!)
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To: tobyhill
The health care debacle was just the latest reason to make it our life's compulsion to clean House in Nov. and do as much taking out the trash in the Senate as we can. It wouldn't surprise me if the this success goes to their heads and they feel they can move on cap and trade and immigration with impunity.

I have to wonder if all the mindless voters who still think Obama is great will feel that way when they find they HAVE to buy insurance or be fined. Most ill-informed voters don't think these things through at all and they have no idea what to expect.

It's always tough to guess what effect the law of unintended consequences will serve up, but with a bill this size it's bound to have some real shockers up its sleeve. Requiring the companies to insure those with pre-existing conditions is bound to drive up the cost for everyone. Rates are high now, but they will be even higher when the underwriters loose the ability to contain cost by refusing to insure those who are high, really high, risks.

10 posted on 03/24/2010 4:00:54 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: tobyhill
The GOP Storm on Health Care Begins to Subside

Chortle!
Dream on Steinmetz.
Read and weep!

Repeal Mediscam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2478389/posts

Brown: ‘Important’ to Repeal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2478403/posts

Healthcare Reform: This Will Not Stand
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36170

Subside?
You ain't seen nuthin’ yet.

11 posted on 03/24/2010 4:01:13 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: tobyhill

Looks like Jayson Blair is back at the NYSlimes.


12 posted on 03/24/2010 4:02:03 AM PDT by Carley (Are you better off than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: apillar

If anything now people are going to get madder as the klutziness of the abomination actually comes out and starts hurting and killing people. You’d think some of the more sensible Democrats would have insisted on putting an implementation delay in there if it absolutely HAD to be rushed into law... but NO! Hubris in the extreme.


13 posted on 03/24/2010 4:02:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: jwparkerjr

Clean the House? More like turn it upside down and shake and keep shaking until every last Rat dropping is gone.


14 posted on 03/24/2010 4:03:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

How do we know the GOP will cave? Because it has always caved in the past; the American people keep doing the same things.


15 posted on 03/24/2010 4:06:39 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: IncPen

Soon enough they’ll be gone is right. I can’t wait to see them on line at the public clinic filling out their eligibility forms.


16 posted on 03/24/2010 4:07:05 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Theodore R.

Who asked you?


17 posted on 03/24/2010 4:08:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: tobyhill
GOP Storm on Health Care Begins to Subside

If Obama / Pelosi / Reid would stop right now and begin to govern responsibly from the center, or even somewhat left of center, the "storm" would "begin to subside." As explained on another thread, the big increases in insurance premiums that are coming won't hit until January 2011, after the midterm elections. If the Commucrats would tack to the center at this point, they will be fine in November.

But they can't and they won't.

"Tacking to the center" would mean not legalizing millions of new Commucrat voters via amnesty, not enacting cap-and-tax, various goodies for labor unions, and who knows what else.

As Paul Harvey used to say, evil always overreaches. You can bank on it. They will push follow the instructions of their ideological leaders and thinkers and push forward, and, by so doing, keep the electorate in a state of fury right up to election day. Cooler heads will council otherwise, but their leadership won't listen.

18 posted on 03/24/2010 4:11:19 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: tobyhill

I can’t keep at a constant boil, it’s just not good for me, but I’m on the back burner simmering and not forgetting.

This summer’s primaries will turn the heat on and by November this teapot will be whistling.

Besides that, it’s not like there isn’t a new outrage and climbing unemployment numbers everyday.


19 posted on 03/24/2010 4:11:50 AM PDT by Iowamerican
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To: tobyhill

In the immortal words of Doc Holiday (courtesy of “Tombstone”: “It’s not revenge he wants, it’s a RECKONING”

May primaries are coming. So is November.


20 posted on 03/24/2010 4:19:13 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: tobyhill

It’s TIME for heavens sake.


21 posted on 03/24/2010 5:00:39 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: tobyhill

All these articles from the urban media say one thing: they are WETTING THEIR PANTS at the coming tempest. We can look forward to a MASSIVE protest in three weeks on Tax/Commiecare day. And ANOTHER on July 4. And COUNTLESS town hall meetings over the long, hot summer to bring the rage to a boil— because we’ll hold them!


22 posted on 03/24/2010 5:06:15 AM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is is armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: tobyhill

In many ways he is right, moreso because the media will report it this way.

Obamacare is now the law of the land. Nothing the Senators do will change that, unless they manage to place a “repeals the bill” provision into the reconciliation, which they could only do if the CBO re-scored the Senate bill and found it RAISED the deficit, so that repealing it would reduce the deficit.

So, what happens when the Republicans vote AGAINST the repeal of the cornhusker kickback? The media reports that we are trying to protect the special deals. Or that we area voting against something we support (repealing the kickback), simply out of spite and retribution.

The fact is that some, if not many, of the provisions in the reconciliation would make the Senate bill less bad. We are at a new baseline, and the media will work hard to measure us against that baseline.

Meanwhile, many on our side are urging the reconciliation be crushed, simply to get back at the house democrats who thought reconciliation would give them cover. That’s a purely political argument — voting to try to win an election, and would only work if the media didn’t focus on it. But the media WILL focus on it.

Instead, what the senate republicans have to do is sell a story that they are working to make the bad bill better through the reconciliation process, by offering amendments that can’t be spun as anything BUT trying to save more money and make the bill better.

The democrats will have to vote against these, and the republicans can point out that DEMOCRATS aren’t letting them fix the parts of the bill the American people hate.

I would expect that they will try to attack an amendment repealing the individual mandate, and the taxes. The problem is that the things people hate the most are the things that reduce the cost; and reconciliation is all about reducing cost, so an amendment to remove a tax will be rejected as not in order under reconciliation.

This is not an easy game to play. It is amazing that the republicans haven’t used this process — it’s a beautiful way around the 60-vote rule. Any time you want, you just put some shell bill together that everybody votes for, send it back to your majority in the house, and they grab onto it and do “reconciliation” to fix it with all the things you can’t get the democrats to vote for.

Anyway, we are also fools if we think that “repeal alone” is going to win us an election. Like it or not, most americans think there IS something the feds can do to make health insurance better, and MOST republicans are on board with a series of reforms.

So the key is not “we will repeal this law”, but rather “we will REPLACE this law with a health care bill that makes sense, that doesn’t do all the bad things this bill does, and that fixes the problems Americans want fixed”.

Unfortunately, some of those problems aren’t really the government’s job to fix — but that battle is lost, and if we force our candidates to die on that hill, die they will, and nothing will get done. We have a lot of work to do to get 50%+1 of the people back to believing they have responsibility for their own well-being. And until we get there, we won’t win elections telling them government will no longer help.

It’s much easier to build opposition to a specific bill (because there’s always something you don’t like) then it is to build support for action to fix it (because any change could hit something a part of your coalition DID like).

Remember — if the Stupak language was in the bill, the Catholic Church would have urged all it’s members to support this bill. Think how hard it will be to repeal a bill if a good part of our conservative coalition is told by their religious leaders to support it.


23 posted on 03/24/2010 5:19:56 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: tobyhill
If this is indeed true. (I am attempting to confirm it with a friend who works at Atlantic Care) this is not over by a long shot. According to a thread on FR this new law will...

Ban Medicare recipients from receiving follow-up care within 30 days of their initial treatment as part of government-run healthcare.” This kicks in immediately

24 posted on 03/24/2010 5:24:36 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: tobyhill
There is a point I wanted to make and this thread is probably as good a place as any (I don't do vanities).

Titius Livius, in his History of the Roman Republic, stated that a project's beginnings are an important indicator of how that project will grow and prosper.

He therefore spent a great deal of time reviewing Rome's founding and their early history as subjects of the Etruscans, as subjects of Kings and of the establishment of the republic. He took great care in exposing those events that would lead to the later greatness of Rome.

As American citizens, we too look back upon our founding w/ great pride and reverence. We bank on the integrity and wisdom of our founders we give great credit to those founders for our current successful republic. Contrast the contemporaneous revolutions in France, Haiti, and Latin America. Or for that matter modern revolutions in Russian, China and the many nations of Africa.

So that leads me to the birth of Health Care reform and the nature of its conception. Could any program so inauspiciously conceived possibly bear healthy and positive fruit? Lies, deceit, bribery, extortion; these were the midwives to our epic reformation. A legislative process so corrupted and shoddy that only a third world country could perpetrate.

Time will surely tell.

25 posted on 03/24/2010 5:35:29 AM PDT by Pietro ("I am not an idealouge" BHO; "I am not a crook" RMN)
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To: tobyhill

We have a multitude of Tea Party rallies planned throughout the Spring, Summer and Fall leading up to the November elections. You socialist have not seen anything yet!


26 posted on 03/24/2010 5:44:33 AM PDT by orinoco
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To: tobyhill

Sorry Mr. “small” but we’ve only just begun to fight!


27 posted on 03/24/2010 5:45:35 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: tobyhill

Please keep believing this.


28 posted on 03/24/2010 5:47:59 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: tobyhill
Every USSR needs a Pravda.


29 posted on 03/24/2010 5:51:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: tobyhill
The GOP Storm on Health Care Begins to Subside

LOL. In their most wild, silly dreams.
30 posted on 03/24/2010 5:52:34 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: tobyhill

LOL, what world does this moron live in? If we’re not as loud as before it’s because we’re busy getting together to get this thing overturned. We’re not like liberals, we actually work.


31 posted on 03/24/2010 6:00:16 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: tobyhill

We’ve just gone underground!!!!


32 posted on 03/24/2010 12:07:57 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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