Skip to comments.RedState: Senate GOP Trying To Scuttle “Repeal It” Amendment
Posted on 03/24/2010 5:08:26 PM PDT by LaybackLenny
Senate sources confirm to me this evening that Senator Mitch McConnell and his leadership team are trying to scuttle Republican efforts to force a vote on repeal of the entire health care legislation during the reconciliation process. Im told reliably that moderate Republican senators who voted against Obamacare in December do not want to vote against it again because it would just be symbolic. McConnell agrees and is not inclined to push Republicans to go along with any effort to force a vote on repeal during reconciliation, despite David Vitter offering up an amendment to do just that and separate stand alone legislation being offered by Senator Jim DeMint with a host of Republican co-sponsors.
Vitters amendment will be up some time around 10:00 p.m. tonight.
“McConnell agrees and is not inclined to push Republicans”
The spirit of Chamberlain is strong in this one.
Sometimes symbols matter.
Although to be fair, the Senate GOP has been busy “amendibustering” the bill, making Rats go on record again and again as opposing obvious common sense amendments. Like no Viagra to sex offenders.
I'm all for repealing the thing, but did you flunk math or something? There are 41 Republican Senators. Some, like Olympia Snowe wanted to vote for the thing, but were talked out of it. How's it going to look when we call for a vote, and repeal gets 35 or 46 votes?
Senator Mitch McConnell and his leadership team are trying to scuttle Republican efforts to force a vote on repeal of the entire health care legislation during the reconciliation process.
I can understand why now is not the time to force a vote on repeal since we do not have the votes.
Instead, take a look at what Demint is saying—
140,000 have signed the pledge.
Did it ever occur to you folks who attack Republicans that they are letting things play out in the courts, the elections and public opinion? They waged a wonderful fight to try to keep that monstrosity from passing, even though they had no real power to do so. Now they're fighting strategically instead of just tactically, looking down the road toward November.
McConnell is a ‘moderate’, no fire in the Belly...not quite the RINO of Collins and Snowe, but not a true conservative. BOUNCE HIM!
Yeah, McConnell’s “fighting” alright. Always there with McCain, Grahamnesty and the whole RINO cabal to “reach across the aisle.” Personally, I think it’s past time to severely impair their “reaching across” arms. I suspect McLame called McConnell and told him those mean ol’ conservatives aren’t playing nice with his Dim-o-crap pals.
Do you understand what it takes to repeal a bill?
It wont happen at this time...no chance at all.
If the GOP takes control of both houses and a GOP president? YES, then it will be repealed.
>> Did it ever occur to you folks who attack Republicans that they are letting things play out in the courts, the elections and public opinion?
Did it ever occur to YOU that two thirds of these ineffectual emasculated vermin actually WANTED health care to pass but were faking opposition?
More government = more money from the sheep = more power for them. And longer careers and more pension $$$.
The GOP “fighting strategically”? Gee, you mean like they did in 2003, by mustering principled opposition to the prescription drug boondoggle?
I actually agree with McConnel. This is not the time.
Yeah, I know what it takes to repeal a bill. I also know what it takes to send a message. You’ve got conservative Senators basically being slapped on the hands and otherwise embarrassed by the RINO leadership for getting all uppity.
Explain to me again why anyone wants to remain the OP(formerly the GOP) wing of the socialist Republicrat party? They should be putting up as many roadblocks and stall as much as possible instead they once again just roll over to the socialists/marxists trying to destroy the Constitution. Unbelievable.
"...make them famous."
True. I heard one today that required the Senators to have the same health care as medicaid. Reid basically laughed at it.
You’re right. We need to be passionate, but we need to be smart, too, and pick the right fights.
No, it won't. They might run on repeal but when the rubber meets the road, no Washington politician is going to take away health care away.
It simply isn't going to happen. Now, we may get some ammendmens, hopefully some constraints as to the damage this thing will do, but it won't ever be repealed.
I see nothing to gain for the republicans in possibly coming up short of their 41 votes on this. Can you imagine the field day the media would have?
Better to think strategically, IMO.
Agree with McConnell or not, the dipstick shouldn’t emasculate his conservative members in public for everyone to see. Take ‘em in the backroom and tell ‘em nows not the time. But to parade the GOP dirty laundry in public just ain’t right. I swear these guys could screw up a one-car parade.
>> It wont happen at this time...no chance at all.
Battles are won by attacking and resisting the enemy REPEATEDLY. With every muscle, every nerve, every sinew.
Not by caving in and playing nice.
Yes, we know exactly what it takes to repeal a bill. And we understand that until the scum Obama is gone, it ain’t gonna happen.
Now YOU explain precisely what the spineless nutless (R)s have to gain by rolling over when they could be FIGHTING and OPPOSING and DELAYING and OBSTRUCTING until that day comes.
This is war.
Senator Mitch McConnell... is not inclined to push Republicans to go along with any effort to force a vote on repeal during reconciliation, despite David Vitter offering up an amendment to do just that and separate stand alone legislation being offered by Senator Jim DeMint with a host of Republican co-sponsors.Thanks LaybackLenny. He will, or be toast!
If McCain had made hay about Obama’s Marxist background... well we’d probably have President McCain now.
Do they switch back and forth between the Bummercare reconciliation bill and other things? If they don’t, then DeMint’s bill is going to have to wait anyhow.
No, Hillary would have swept the floor with McPain. So we would be now battling Hillarycare instead. Go figure!
Once they're in the majority they can work on fixing this. In the meantime, stick to educating the public.
Well, I mean after Obama was declared the Democrat candidate. Hillary would not figure. She had been rejected by the Democrats.
And how, exactly, does it matter in this case?
Aren’t we all so glad Erich RED State joined CNN???
The only message this exercise in futulity would send is that some people can't count.
This is nuts...now I've got to defend the folks I just bashed. Reason: Those "silly" amendments are designed to force the Demon-crats to go on the record as supporting stuff like Viagra for convicts. And that's fine with me. But I like to think the Pubbies can walk and chew gum at the same time. On the other hand...
I’m not sure how I feel about this.
For me this is a defining moment. This is where we find out who is who.
Either this bill is flatly and patently unconstitutional, or we’re just dickering over terms.
Either we go for an outright repeal and repudiation or we’re just arguing about the wallpaper. If thats all thats left, then its meaningless to be GOP. We’re just Thrifty Democrats. We’ll implement their agenda, but we’ll do it for less money.
Granted, that a motion to repeal will fail now. But we’ll declare war on it and the war will finish, perhaps after November, perhaps down the road, but we should make it clear that nothing gets done without a fight until this thing is eighty-sixed. First we’ll defund it and then we’ll kill it. Any Repub reaching across the aisle between now and then needs to be defeated at the earliest opportunity. If McConnell is trying to get on my radar, he is succeeding.
>> What exactly would we gain from such an futile exercise?
That’s a good question, and here is the answer.
1) It buys time
2) It keeps them from considering other damaging bills
3) It keeps the issue FRONT and CENTER in the press, thus keeping the populus stirred up; they have a short memory
4) Done properly, it embarrasses the opposition and forces them to confront their own folly
I bet I’m not even covering ALL of the things that could be gained, but those are some of them.
Now, YOU tell ME: what exactly is to be gained by rolling over and playing nice and failing to oppose, oppose, oppose this evil government and its socialist direction?
I heard Sean Hannity’s interview this afternoon with McConnell and he said that they planned to repeal the whole enchilada! He called it repeal and replace.
Has something changed?
So much for the Senate pubbies growing a pair.
Did it ever occur to you folks who attack Republicans that they are letting things play out in the courts, the elections and public opinion? They waged a wonderful fight to try to keep that monstrosity from passing, even though they had no real power to do so. Now they’re fighting strategically instead of just tactically, looking down the road toward November.
>> getting lawsuits passed
You don’t “get lawsuits passed”.
Anyway, the court battle is a separate one that can proceed in parallel. We need to fight this enemy on ALL fronts!
Clean the sewer.
We've got nearly 7 1/2 months to burn before the election and then a lame duck session (anyone want to bet the Reid/Pelosi will recess for Christmas?) We need clever PR, but we also need to be playing a "four corners" strategy. Drag EVERYTHING out as long as we can to minimize the damage done by the donkey stampede. Damage avoided is damage we won't have to invest our time on fixing.
Respect the media's firepower, but stop being scared of them. Refuse to accept their templates. For example, since when is calling something, or even someone, "Baby Killer" worse than killing babies?! Kids knew better before their NEA brainwashing, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!" The media screams about our words, but never about their sticks and stones. We should respond something like this:
How can the media complain about that image and caption without showing them and thus making our point? The media has clearly established they are fit for broadcast... separately.
My point is, if the Repubs had any balls, they would have demanded a long form birth certificae. If they did, BO would never have become the Presidential candidate. It is obvious BO is a fraud.
I find it interesting that those in the forum who think, like McConnell, that opposition is a bad idea can’t quite seem to articulate exactly WHY it’s a bad idea.
I’ll add one more point:
It might be futile if the (R)s were opposing a bill that a majority of voters in this country were in favor of.
However, the exact opposite is true: a significant majority of Americans — some 55% to 60%, depending on what poll you believe — oppose this idiocy.
McConnell and the rest of the (R)s in Congress aren’t fighting for an ideology that no one in Ameria believes in — they are FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT.
To FAIL to hammer at the ‘Rats immediately, constantly, and without giving qrarter is what sends the wrong message to the majority of Americans!
But then, they don’t call them the Stupid Party for nothing.
Indeed - this is going to be a good message platform for us in November - pushing it now might negate the benefit later, and the success probability to do this in 2011 is much higher than 2010
Just shows the Repubs are still gutless wonders, even after everything that’s happened. Da*n them all.
They just never learn.
>> pushing it now might negate the benefit later
Can you explain how, exactly, pushing it now would negate the benefit in ‘10?
A significant majority of the American people believe that the bill is flawed. Wouldn’t dropping opposition now send precisely the WRONG signal? If not, why not?