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RedState: Senate GOP Trying To Scuttle “Repeal It” Amendment
RedState ^ | March 24, 2010 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 03/24/2010 5:08:26 PM PDT by LaybackLenny

Senate sources confirm to me this evening that Senator Mitch McConnell and his leadership team are trying to scuttle Republican efforts to force a vote on repeal of the entire health care legislation during the reconciliation process. I’m told reliably that moderate Republican senators who voted against Obamacare in December do not want to vote against it again because it would just be “symbolic”. McConnell agrees and is not inclined to push Republicans to go along with any effort to force a vote on repeal during reconciliation, despite David Vitter offering up an amendment to do just that and separate stand alone legislation being offered by Senator Jim DeMint with a host of Republican co-sponsors.

Vitter’s amendment will be up some time around 10:00 p.m. tonight.


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So much for the Senate pubbies growing a pair.
1 posted on 03/24/2010 5:08:26 PM PDT by LaybackLenny
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To: LaybackLenny

“McConnell agrees and is not inclined to push Republicans”

The spirit of Chamberlain is strong in this one.


2 posted on 03/24/2010 5:11:12 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: LaybackLenny

Sometimes symbols matter.

Although to be fair, the Senate GOP has been busy “amendibustering” the bill, making Rats go on record again and again as opposing obvious common sense amendments. Like no Viagra to sex offenders.


3 posted on 03/24/2010 5:11:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: LaybackLenny
So much for the Senate pubbies growing a pair.

I'm all for repealing the thing, but did you flunk math or something? There are 41 Republican Senators. Some, like Olympia Snowe wanted to vote for the thing, but were talked out of it. How's it going to look when we call for a vote, and repeal gets 35 or 46 votes?

4 posted on 03/24/2010 5:13:57 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: LaybackLenny

Senator Mitch McConnell and his leadership team are trying to scuttle Republican efforts to force a vote on repeal of the entire health care legislation during the reconciliation process.


I can understand why now is not the time to force a vote on repeal since we do not have the votes.

Instead, take a look at what Demint is saying—

http://repealitpledge.com/

140,000 have signed the pledge.


5 posted on 03/24/2010 5:14:06 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: LaybackLenny
So much for the Senate pubbies growing a pair.

Did it ever occur to you folks who attack Republicans that they are letting things play out in the courts, the elections and public opinion? They waged a wonderful fight to try to keep that monstrosity from passing, even though they had no real power to do so. Now they're fighting strategically instead of just tactically, looking down the road toward November.

6 posted on 03/24/2010 5:14:40 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Note to rigid ideologues: Your own point of view in a mirror is quite a limited window on the world.)
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To: LaybackLenny

McConnell is a ‘moderate’, no fire in the Belly...not quite the RINO of Collins and Snowe, but not a true conservative. BOUNCE HIM!


7 posted on 03/24/2010 5:17:51 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Wolfstar

Yeah, McConnell’s “fighting” alright. Always there with McCain, Grahamnesty and the whole RINO cabal to “reach across the aisle.” Personally, I think it’s past time to severely impair their “reaching across” arms. I suspect McLame called McConnell and told him those mean ol’ conservatives aren’t playing nice with his Dim-o-crap pals.


8 posted on 03/24/2010 5:19:45 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-Bachmann Overdrive 2012 - takin' care o' business!)
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To: LaybackLenny

Do you understand what it takes to repeal a bill?

It wont happen at this time...no chance at all.

If the GOP takes control of both houses and a GOP president? YES, then it will be repealed.


9 posted on 03/24/2010 5:19:51 PM PDT by crz
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To: Wolfstar

>> Did it ever occur to you folks who attack Republicans that they are letting things play out in the courts, the elections and public opinion?

Did it ever occur to YOU that two thirds of these ineffectual emasculated vermin actually WANTED health care to pass but were faking opposition?

More government = more money from the sheep = more power for them. And longer careers and more pension $$$.

The GOP “fighting strategically”? Gee, you mean like they did in 2003, by mustering principled opposition to the prescription drug boondoggle?

Oh wait...


10 posted on 03/24/2010 5:20:36 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: LaybackLenny

I actually agree with McConnel. This is not the time.


11 posted on 03/24/2010 5:21:23 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: crz

Yeah, I know what it takes to repeal a bill. I also know what it takes to send a message. You’ve got conservative Senators basically being slapped on the hands and otherwise embarrassed by the RINO leadership for getting all uppity.


12 posted on 03/24/2010 5:22:50 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-Bachmann Overdrive 2012 - takin' care o' business!)
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To: LaybackLenny

Explain to me again why anyone wants to remain the OP(formerly the GOP) wing of the socialist Republicrat party? They should be putting up as many roadblocks and stall as much as possible instead they once again just roll over to the socialists/marxists trying to destroy the Constitution. Unbelievable.


13 posted on 03/24/2010 5:23:02 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: LaybackLenny
Who are the all?

"...make them famous."

14 posted on 03/24/2010 5:23:58 PM PDT by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

True. I heard one today that required the Senators to have the same health care as medicaid. Reid basically laughed at it.


15 posted on 03/24/2010 5:24:45 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Wolfstar

You’re right. We need to be passionate, but we need to be smart, too, and pick the right fights.


16 posted on 03/24/2010 5:24:51 PM PDT by clintonh8r (I love my country. I hate...HATE!!...my government.)
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To: crz
If the GOP takes control of both houses and a GOP president? YES, then it will be repealed.

No, it won't. They might run on repeal but when the rubber meets the road, no Washington politician is going to take away health care away.

It simply isn't going to happen. Now, we may get some ammendmens, hopefully some constraints as to the damage this thing will do, but it won't ever be repealed.

17 posted on 03/24/2010 5:25:20 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Prayers for the Ft. Hood families, victims and soldiers.)
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To: LaybackLenny

I see nothing to gain for the republicans in possibly coming up short of their 41 votes on this. Can you imagine the field day the media would have?

Better to think strategically, IMO.


18 posted on 03/24/2010 5:26:40 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Prayers for the Ft. Hood families, victims and soldiers.)
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To: Lazamataz

Agree with McConnell or not, the dipstick shouldn’t emasculate his conservative members in public for everyone to see. Take ‘em in the backroom and tell ‘em nows not the time. But to parade the GOP dirty laundry in public just ain’t right. I swear these guys could screw up a one-car parade.


19 posted on 03/24/2010 5:26:45 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-Bachmann Overdrive 2012 - takin' care o' business!)
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To: crz

>> It wont happen at this time...no chance at all.

Battles are won by attacking and resisting the enemy REPEATEDLY. With every muscle, every nerve, every sinew.

Not by caving in and playing nice.

Yes, we know exactly what it takes to repeal a bill. And we understand that until the scum Obama is gone, it ain’t gonna happen.

Now YOU explain precisely what the spineless nutless (R)s have to gain by rolling over when they could be FIGHTING and OPPOSING and DELAYING and OBSTRUCTING until that day comes.

This is war.


20 posted on 03/24/2010 5:28:03 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Senator Mitch McConnell... is not inclined to push Republicans to go along with any effort to force a vote on repeal during reconciliation, despite David Vitter offering up an amendment to do just that and separate stand alone legislation being offered by Senator Jim DeMint with a host of Republican co-sponsors.
Thanks LaybackLenny. He will, or be toast!
22 posted on 03/24/2010 5:30:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Commander X

If McCain had made hay about Obama’s Marxist background... well we’d probably have President McCain now.


23 posted on 03/24/2010 5:34:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: SunkenCiv

Do they switch back and forth between the Bummercare reconciliation bill and other things? If they don’t, then DeMint’s bill is going to have to wait anyhow.


24 posted on 03/24/2010 5:36:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, Hillary would have swept the floor with McPain. So we would be now battling Hillarycare instead. Go figure!


25 posted on 03/24/2010 5:37:02 PM PDT by Commander X (TOTUS...destroying the USA one lie at a time.)
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To: LaybackLenny
It would be a stupid stunt. McConnell's right. The silly amendments the Republicans are offering are dumb enough.

Once they're in the majority they can work on fixing this. In the meantime, stick to educating the public.

26 posted on 03/24/2010 5:37:34 PM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: LaybackLenny
All you repubic cheerleaders... this is why we despise your leadership! We could accomplish miracles... if only we had real leadership with balls.

LLS

27 posted on 03/24/2010 5:38:56 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Wolverine!)
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To: Commander X

Well, I mean after Obama was declared the Democrat candidate. Hillary would not figure. She had been rejected by the Democrats.


28 posted on 03/24/2010 5:39:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: LaybackLenny
Why are you so insistant that the Republicans bring to a vote something that will be sure to fail? What exactly would we gain from such an futile exercise?
29 posted on 03/24/2010 5:39:34 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Sometimes symbols matter.

And how, exactly, does it matter in this case?

30 posted on 03/24/2010 5:40:30 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: LaybackLenny

Aren’t we all so glad Erich RED State joined CNN???


31 posted on 03/24/2010 5:41:01 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: curiosity

MEOW


32 posted on 03/24/2010 5:41:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: LaybackLenny
Yeah, I know what it takes to repeal a bill. I also know what it takes to send a message.

The only message this exercise in futulity would send is that some people can't count.

33 posted on 03/24/2010 5:42:19 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: BfloGuy
The silly amendments the Republicans are offering are dumb enough.

This is nuts...now I've got to defend the folks I just bashed. Reason: Those "silly" amendments are designed to force the Demon-crats to go on the record as supporting stuff like Viagra for convicts. And that's fine with me. But I like to think the Pubbies can walk and chew gum at the same time. On the other hand...

34 posted on 03/24/2010 5:42:33 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-Bachmann Overdrive 2012 - takin' care o' business!)
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To: Lazamataz

I’m not sure how I feel about this.


35 posted on 03/24/2010 5:42:48 PM PDT by Shaun_MD (Goldwater Conservative.)
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To: LaybackLenny

For me this is a defining moment. This is where we find out who is who.

Either this bill is flatly and patently unconstitutional, or we’re just dickering over terms.

Either we go for an outright repeal and repudiation or we’re just arguing about the wallpaper. If thats all thats left, then its meaningless to be GOP. We’re just Thrifty Democrats. We’ll implement their agenda, but we’ll do it for less money.

Granted, that a motion to repeal will fail now. But we’ll declare war on it and the war will finish, perhaps after November, perhaps down the road, but we should make it clear that nothing gets done without a fight until this thing is eighty-sixed. First we’ll defund it and then we’ll kill it. Any Repub reaching across the aisle between now and then needs to be defeated at the earliest opportunity. If McConnell is trying to get on my radar, he is succeeding.


36 posted on 03/24/2010 5:45:50 PM PDT by marron
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To: curiosity

>> What exactly would we gain from such an futile exercise?

That’s a good question, and here is the answer.

1) It buys time
2) It keeps them from considering other damaging bills
3) It keeps the issue FRONT and CENTER in the press, thus keeping the populus stirred up; they have a short memory
4) Done properly, it embarrasses the opposition and forces them to confront their own folly

I bet I’m not even covering ALL of the things that could be gained, but those are some of them.

Now, YOU tell ME: what exactly is to be gained by rolling over and playing nice and failing to oppose, oppose, oppose this evil government and its socialist direction?


37 posted on 03/24/2010 5:46:39 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: LaybackLenny

I heard Sean Hannity’s interview this afternoon with McConnell and he said that they planned to repeal the whole enchilada! He called it repeal and replace.

Has something changed?


38 posted on 03/24/2010 6:00:03 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: Wolfstar

So much for the Senate pubbies growing a pair.

Did it ever occur to you folks who attack Republicans that they are letting things play out in the courts, the elections and public opinion? They waged a wonderful fight to try to keep that monstrosity from passing, even though they had no real power to do so. Now they’re fighting strategically instead of just tactically, looking down the road toward November.


I’d rather not toss the baby out with the bathwater...we do have some pansy pantywaist pubbies there, but at the same time, voting for symbols is useless...we need some unity with the sens, reps, and governors in getting lawsuits passed!


39 posted on 03/24/2010 6:00:06 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

>> getting lawsuits passed

Say what?

You don’t “get lawsuits passed”.

Anyway, the court battle is a separate one that can proceed in parallel. We need to fight this enemy on ALL fronts!


40 posted on 03/24/2010 6:03:48 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: LaybackLenny

Clean the sewer.


41 posted on 03/24/2010 6:09:10 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: prairiebreeze
Better to think strategically, IMO

We've got nearly 7 1/2 months to burn before the election and then a lame duck session (anyone want to bet the Reid/Pelosi will recess for Christmas?) We need clever PR, but we also need to be playing a "four corners" strategy. Drag EVERYTHING out as long as we can to minimize the damage done by the donkey stampede. Damage avoided is damage we won't have to invest our time on fixing.

Respect the media's firepower, but stop being scared of them. Refuse to accept their templates. For example, since when is calling something, or even someone, "Baby Killer" worse than killing babies?! Kids knew better before their NEA brainwashing, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!" The media screams about our words, but never about their sticks and stones. We should respond something like this:

clubbing a baby seal
"How dare you call me a baby killer?"

How can the media complain about that image and caption without showing them and thus making our point? The media has clearly established they are fit for broadcast... separately.

42 posted on 03/24/2010 6:15:15 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Remember 321)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

My point is, if the Repubs had any balls, they would have demanded a long form birth certificae. If they did, BO would never have become the Presidential candidate. It is obvious BO is a fraud.


43 posted on 03/24/2010 6:15:16 PM PDT by Commander X (TOTUS...destroying the USA one lie at a time.)
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To: LaybackLenny; Wolfstar; crz; curiosity

I find it interesting that those in the forum who think, like McConnell, that opposition is a bad idea can’t quite seem to articulate exactly WHY it’s a bad idea.

I’ll add one more point:

It might be futile if the (R)s were opposing a bill that a majority of voters in this country were in favor of.

However, the exact opposite is true: a significant majority of Americans — some 55% to 60%, depending on what poll you believe — oppose this idiocy.

McConnell and the rest of the (R)s in Congress aren’t fighting for an ideology that no one in Ameria believes in — they are FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT.

To FAIL to hammer at the ‘Rats immediately, constantly, and without giving qrarter is what sends the wrong message to the majority of Americans!

But then, they don’t call them the Stupid Party for nothing.


44 posted on 03/24/2010 6:15:27 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Lazamataz

Agreed.


45 posted on 03/24/2010 6:18:55 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: Lazamataz

Indeed - this is going to be a good message platform for us in November - pushing it now might negate the benefit later, and the success probability to do this in 2011 is much higher than 2010


46 posted on 03/24/2010 6:21:17 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: LaybackLenny

Just shows the Repubs are still gutless wonders, even after everything that’s happened. Da*n them all.


47 posted on 03/24/2010 6:22:28 PM PDT by crosstimbers
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To: LaybackLenny

They just never learn.


48 posted on 03/24/2010 6:24:27 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: AzSteven

>> pushing it now might negate the benefit later

Can you explain how, exactly, pushing it now would negate the benefit in ‘10?

A significant majority of the American people believe that the bill is flawed. Wouldn’t dropping opposition now send precisely the WRONG signal? If not, why not?


49 posted on 03/24/2010 6:25:55 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Nervous Tick
HEADS ON STICKS,

NOW!


50 posted on 03/24/2010 6:29:35 PM PDT by BobS
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