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RedState: Senate GOP Trying To Scuttle “Repeal It” Amendment
RedState ^ | March 24, 2010 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 03/24/2010 5:08:26 PM PDT by LaybackLenny

Senate sources confirm to me this evening that Senator Mitch McConnell and his leadership team are trying to scuttle Republican efforts to force a vote on repeal of the entire health care legislation during the reconciliation process. I’m told reliably that moderate Republican senators who voted against Obamacare in December do not want to vote against it again because it would just be “symbolic”. McConnell agrees and is not inclined to push Republicans to go along with any effort to force a vote on repeal during reconciliation, despite David Vitter offering up an amendment to do just that and separate stand alone legislation being offered by Senator Jim DeMint with a host of Republican co-sponsors.

Vitter’s amendment will be up some time around 10:00 p.m. tonight.


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To: LaybackLenny; P-Marlowe; wmfights

The Rino Party hasn’t been effective at any point in this entire debate, so I really don’t see how this makes any difference. Even their symbolic gestures are empty and pointless.

If they actually grew a set, they’d come up with a plan that had a prayer of working.


51 posted on 03/24/2010 6:30:17 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lazamataz

I may agree with McConnell as well at this time.

In fact we should verbally support the democrats and then vote NO. what are they going to do...call us liars?


52 posted on 03/24/2010 6:35:31 PM PDT by maxsand
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To: LaybackLenny

It appears to me that Senator Mitch McConnell is a secretive supporter of socialism - pure and simple!
By their actions you shall know them!
This should be the starting point for mid-term elections with repeal as the central, unifying theme!
GOP leadership understands this and does not want to fight socialism. GOP leadership criminals are co-conspiritors to constitutional destruction. IMHO


53 posted on 03/24/2010 6:35:47 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: LaybackLenny
McConnell is a freakin' noodle-spined milquetoast. WTF is it with these useless losers in Party "leadership"?

I hope they dump him and get DeMint, Coburn or Inhofe in there—someone with serious principle to lead!

54 posted on 03/24/2010 6:47:25 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Lazamataz
Ya know Laz, I can appreciate tactical timing, but when, just when do you suppose, the McConnels are gonna ever grow a pair? (I personally don't believe he ever will) When do we stop falling back?

I agree with another poster, if there are sound tactical reasons for postponing (and I can see some), then they can do it behind closed doors. Public News such as this only serves to dishearten the ground troops. US. Not good when - IF - you ever decide to start up the fight again. As it stands now, I'm not sure how much faith there is in the GOP "collective" (house and senate) picking up the fight down the road. Rather I envision them trying to "tweek" the current legislation when the opportunity arises. And then taking far too long to do so.

I have no problem with correcting errors in the HC system. But this overhaul is so over the top. It has to be beaten down like the rabid dog it is.

When do we stop falling back? When do we draw the line and hold it? Are you against the States AG's taking up the fight now?

55 posted on 03/24/2010 6:51:20 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: presidio9

Can’t Coburn keep adding amnedments until November 2010?

After the election we take the House and Boehner defunds the nightmare?


56 posted on 03/24/2010 7:09:28 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain = Obama's friend McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
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To: LaybackLenny

I can’t make any sense of this.


57 posted on 03/24/2010 7:09:31 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: LaybackLenny

Anyone hoping for any spine among the Republican “leadership” is fooling themselves. We are so screwed.


58 posted on 03/24/2010 7:19:49 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Nope. Not gonna do it.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Why are my taxes paying for anyone’s Viagra?


59 posted on 03/24/2010 7:29:16 PM PDT by cmj328 (Got ruthless?)
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To: cmj328

Because bummer said so


60 posted on 03/24/2010 7:30:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: LaybackLenny; All

I don’t know...I tend to think Mitch might be right on this one.

I HATE OBAMACARE, okay, and anyone who doubts it should look at my history. But look, we have to be smart about this...campaign on repeal, replace with real reform...and THEN do it.

I think Inhofe has a beautiful seventeen word statement that guts the whole damn Obamacare Bill. I’d love to see a Republican House and Senate pass it....attached to a budget bill that Hussein must sign or veto. If he vetos a budget bill, he shuts down his little feifdom. If he signs it, his apparatus falls apart.

That is what we do until we get a Republican in the White House, too....when we can truly destroy HusseinCare.


61 posted on 03/24/2010 7:33:22 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Wolfstar

good answer.


62 posted on 03/24/2010 7:33:59 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Things are coming down so hot and heavy, maybe need to take a deep breath and watch over a period of days. The stories may or may not all be accurate and I would not put it past Rats to feed heavy disinformation about what the GOP is doing to create discontent.

The GOP (as in principle all the congresspeople) are there to represent the public and if the public does not put heat on them they will forget to take heed. Angry communications should be pouring in on them now like it did on the filthy Rats before they went for Bummercare.


63 posted on 03/24/2010 7:34:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Nervous Tick
Can you explain how, exactly, pushing it now would negate the benefit in ‘10?

Right now, the Dims still can negate any effort made to reverse Obamacare. That will happen no matter how much effort the GOP exerts, and no matter how much political capital and cash they burn through in the process.

Cash and political capital are finite resources.

After the 2010 election, the congress will have a much different makeup, and teh efforts are far more likely to bear fruit.

64 posted on 03/24/2010 7:38:09 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: AzSteven

>> Right now, the Dims still can negate any effort made to reverse Obamacare. That will happen no matter how much effort the GOP exerts

So what? What does it cost to fight? At worst, it will delay ‘Rat progress, and keep the issue in the limelight.

>> no matter how much political capital and cash they burn through in the process.

How, exactly, do you burn political capital in an honest (but no holds barred) fight for what the majority of the PEOPLE want? And WHAT cash would McConnell burn fighting the ‘Rats?


65 posted on 03/24/2010 7:47:33 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Lazamataz

There’s a time and place for everything, and this is neither the time nor the place. I agree too.

To try and push for repeal right now would be the dumbest thing the Republicans could do. We have elections coming up in November, and this is a great platform for the GOP.

Sometimes, you have to pick your battles, but, some on here want to blow our chances because they want quick revenge.


66 posted on 03/24/2010 7:51:59 PM PDT by Catsrus (Have)
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To: Catsrus

yeah, don’t they say revenge is a dish best served cold?


67 posted on 03/24/2010 7:54:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: crz
No...it won't.

WHEN the GOP had control of the House, of the Senate and the Presidency...

We continued on our merry way towards Gomorrah.

68 posted on 03/24/2010 7:56:21 PM PDT by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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To: crz
If the GOP takes control of both houses and a GOP president? YES, then it will be repealed.

No, it won't. The only way that monstrosity will be repealed is if the House and Senate are filled with Conservatives. Mere Republicans will collude.

69 posted on 03/24/2010 8:01:57 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: LaybackLenny
o much for the Senate pubbies growing a pair.

Didn't do so hot in math when you were a kid, didja?

70 posted on 03/24/2010 8:11:33 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: prairiebreeze

“Better to think strategically...”

With a good chunk of the populace angry about the bill, how does their acceptance strategically help 1/3 of them to get re-elected next fall? Maybe they’re figuring most people will forget.


71 posted on 03/24/2010 8:11:59 PM PDT by spaced
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

“Anyone hoping for any spine among the Republican “leadership” is fooling themselves.”

Republicans tend to get bogged down in the details. That’s fine for people like us who have been following this, but they don’t need to convince us.

We really need to focus on those who occasionally tune in and just want their free stuff and can’t be bothered with the horrible details in this bill. Now, we only have a few seconds at a time to reach these folks, so there’s no point in talking about the trillions it will cost or cooked CBO numbers.

Rather, Republicans need to hit hard with things that reach these people directly, such as taxing now & getting the free stuff much later(meaning grandma won’t get help now)or the cost of student loans going up by $1500-$1700 a year or IRS enforcement.

Another is to stress the congressional exemption of these exchanges. This is particularly important because those looking for the free goodies believe in fairness, which always translates into spreading the misery equally.

Don’t take the idea of a future repeal off the table, and certainly keep the lawsuits going. But while Obama is running around peddling utopia, Republicans need to identify their targets and keep it simple for the public.

Dems realized long ago that it’s easier to feel than it is to think. Republicans need to market to the “feeling” group and make them feel very bad about what’s coming their way.


72 posted on 03/24/2010 8:18:17 PM PDT by sijay
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To: Wolfstar; All
Did it ever occur to you folks who attack Republicans that they are letting things play out in the courts, the elections and public opinion? They waged a wonderful fight to try to keep that monstrosity from passing, even though they had no real power to do so. Now they're fighting strategically instead of just tactically, looking down the road toward November.

Let's face it, we have a lot of one-hit wonders on here who are only tough guys when it comes to pissing and moaning about the GOP. When it comes to doing the heavy lifting of actually fighting against the Democrats and the socialist agenda, most of these same people are nowhere to be found.

I'm to the point where if I see some idiot on here moaning and complaining about "well, the Republicans did (fill in the blank)", they immediately get on the bus headed for scroll-over country.

73 posted on 03/24/2010 8:20:20 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: LaybackLenny

Off with their heads


74 posted on 03/24/2010 8:20:23 PM PDT by LUV W (DIMs?......start packin'--you're fired!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

What is Inhofe’s statement?


75 posted on 03/24/2010 8:38:54 PM PDT by flowergirl
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To: Wolfstar
Did it ever occur to you folks who attack Republicans that they are letting things play out in the courts

Do you recall how successful that strategy was with the McCain/Feingold atrocity?

The Republicans can't do squat in November if they alienate all of us. Showing some spine now would go a long way towards showing us they deserve our support. My guess is that the GOP leadership is betting we have to flock to them because we have no where else to go, so why bloody themselves fighting for anything so abstract as our freedom?

No, the strategy the GOP should be using is flat out war on everything the Dems try, every minute they are in session from now on.

How the Republicans treat his (commie) judicial nominees from here on will tell you just how serious they are about fighting the socialist takeover of this country. It's going to be sad and discouraging to watch.

76 posted on 03/24/2010 8:53:56 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: Nervous Tick
I find it interesting that those in the forum who think, like McConnell, that opposition is a bad idea can’t quite seem to articulate exactly WHY it’s a bad idea.

Who said anything about opposition being a bad idea? That's a projection on your part and was not expressly nor implicitly said by me.

I just hate the constant knee-jerk ragging on Republicans that goes on here day after day after day, year after year. To be perfectly blunt, I think a fairly sizeable number of the people who do that are Leftist/Dems pretending to be conservatives just to come here and sow division among us.

Despite their severely reduced number in both the House and Senate, Republicans fought a good fight against the health care monstrosity. Republican attorneys general have filed suit challenging the constitutionality of the health care act. They deserve credit for that, but too many people around here only like to get off criticizing Republicans and never crediting them when they do good things.

77 posted on 03/24/2010 8:54:31 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Note to rigid ideologues: Your own point of view in a mirror is quite a limited window on the world.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

ROFLMAO!!


78 posted on 03/24/2010 9:27:59 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-Bachmann Overdrive 2012 - takin' care o' business!)
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To: LaybackLenny

I dunno.

If we flood Congress with repeal bills that don’t get passed, then the public will tune out... just like in the case of the ‘Boy Who Cried Wolf’.

But if we hold off until the elections, then we can use it to rally the electorate. That, and possibly get a majority vote for repeal, what with a bunch of terrified Democrats facing certain defeat. Which will then force the Obamanation to veto it, which then can be used in the political advertisements against *ALL* Democrats up for election.


79 posted on 03/24/2010 10:28:31 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: dynachrome

“The spirit of Chamberlain is strong in this one.”

I sense a tearing up of the force, as if the voices of a million patriots were yelling “Fight, you weenie!”


80 posted on 03/24/2010 11:06:49 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: BfloGuy

It would be NEITHER STUPID NOR A STUNT.

It’s our party’s POSITION. We are AGAINST THIS BILL and want to REPEAL IT.

End of story.


81 posted on 03/24/2010 11:08:11 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Nervous Tick
Now, YOU tell ME: what exactly is to be gained by rolling over and playing nice and failing to oppose, oppose, oppose this evil government and its socialist direction? Preach it, bro, preach it!!
82 posted on 03/24/2010 11:08:46 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

“voting for symbols is useless”

It most emphatically is NOT useless to put our proposals out there even if they lose.


83 posted on 03/24/2010 11:09:57 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: AzSteven

The CAMPAIGN FOR 2010 IS NOW.

There is no later.

We need to all realize the Democrats are the enemy and the Republicans are doing the best they can, BUT ... WE NEED TO FIGHT OVER EVERY LITTLE SCRAP WE CAN. AND USE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THAT CONTRAST.

That’s why the REPEAL position is so correct, it is simple.


84 posted on 03/24/2010 11:13:51 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: marron
Either we go for an outright repeal and repudiation or we’re just arguing about the wallpaper. If thats all thats left, then its meaningless to be GOP. We’re just Thrifty Democrats

Very well said. The GOP has indeed become unprincipled, irresponsible, anti-Constitutional, thrifty Democrats.

85 posted on 03/24/2010 11:44:19 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: LaybackLenny

I think what McConnell is really saying is that right now some pubs are scared and can’t be relied on to vote yes on repeal at this moment. I think Vitter should have waited until the bloom was off the rose, so to speak, such as letting today’s work make its way into the public mind so that the unfavorability of the new law is driven even higher. The no immediate coverage for kids needs to filter down to the public, as does the abortion thing and the Viagra thing and some of the other stuff. Right now zero is riding high and so are the rats. I think the timing for a repeal bill right this minute was bad. When the rats’ failure to amend some of this stuff becomes widely known, there will be even more support for repeal. I’d say give it some time. Maybe introduce the bill just before the senate’s summer break so they can discuss it at town halls and get up a head of steam for it.

I think for once in their befuddled lives the congressional pubs did a pretty good job trying to block this and definitely did a good job in raising public awareness of the serious flaws and the unconstitutionality of the bill. Of course, I would have liked to see the House pubs completely disrupt the proceedings so that NO vote could be taken at all.

Just my $.02.


86 posted on 03/24/2010 11:57:14 PM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Nervous Tick

I agree the pubs are generally jellyfish and aren’t trustworthy. But they did a good job for once. I say let them play their hand a little longer. Waiting for an opportunity to get up a good head of public steam is a good idea.


87 posted on 03/25/2010 12:00:37 AM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: LaybackLenny

Don’t throw out the good republicans with the bad. I hope people go online to the senate conservatives.com and ask to sign the petition. Better yet, you can do the same at: info@senateconservatives.com

If we can get hundreds of thousands of signatures, maybe the RINOs will fall in line. DeMint states he doesn’t expect it to pass, but putting it out there and having discussion on it keeps it before the people and fresh on their minds so they don’t buy into the ‘we have to go along with this...we’re doomed’ mentality that the dems are trying to foist upon us to demoralize us.


88 posted on 03/25/2010 1:14:22 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: LaybackLenny

Don’t throw out the good republicans with the bad. I hope people go online to the senate conservatives.com and ask to sign the petition. Better yet, you can do the same at: info@senateconservatives.com

If we can get hundreds of thousands of signatures, maybe the RINOs will fall in line. DeMint states he doesn’t expect it to pass, but putting it out there and having discussion on it keeps it before the people and fresh on their minds so they don’t buy into the ‘we have to go along with this...we’re doomed’ mentality that the dems are trying to foist upon us to demoralize us.


89 posted on 03/25/2010 1:14:58 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: LaybackLenny

There has to be a substitute Republican bill. Vastly simplified over this 2700-page wonder that no one understands. So repeal should wait until 2011, repeal and replace. The platform for the November elections should include the simplified bill. MHO, anyway.


90 posted on 03/25/2010 1:17:50 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: roamer_1

Good. Then vote for a third party and let the democrats rule forever.


91 posted on 03/25/2010 2:05:39 AM PDT by crz
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To: spaced

I’m simply concerned that some RINO’s might not stick with the plan and create headlines the dark side can use. Pick your battles.


93 posted on 03/25/2010 5:20:51 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Prayers for the Ft. Hood families, victims and soldiers.)
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To: suzieQ1958

Figures. But can we at least replace him in the leadership type positions?


94 posted on 03/25/2010 5:53:59 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Wolfstar

>> I just hate the constant knee-jerk ragging on Republicans that goes on here day after day after day, year after year.

And I just hate the constant lip-lock buttsucking on Republicans that ALSO goes on here day after day after day, year after year.

The (R)s made a big government mess from 2000-2006; their corruption, greed, and stupidity lost them control of the government. Then, they did ineffectual battle against the (D) majority and LOST; and now, instead of fighting the evil in every way possible, McConnell is giving up, in spite of 60% of Americans that want him to keep fighting. Tell me again why I should I cheer McConnell or the (R)s? A pox on them.


95 posted on 03/25/2010 8:36:43 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Nervous Tick
I find it interesting that those in the forum who think, like McConnell, that opposition is a bad idea can’t quite seem to articulate exactly WHY it’s a bad idea.

I never said opposition is a bad idea. I said that proposing an amendment that is sure to fail is a bad idea.

Why? Because it's a waste of time and resources.

There are more productive ways of opposing Obamacare. Make it's repeal a central plank of the GOP platform for the November election. Campaign on it constantly. Talk about it every chance you get in the media. Those kinds of actions might actually do some good.

96 posted on 03/25/2010 9:32:38 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Although to be fair, the Senate GOP has been busy “amendibustering” the bill, making Rats go on record again and again as opposing obvious common sense amendments. Like no Viagra to sex offenders.

Yup, those 'RAT votes defending crap like that will come in handy in crafting ads against them during the upcoming campaign season...

97 posted on 03/25/2010 9:36:01 AM PDT by nutmeg (Bart Stupak: Judas, Neville Chamberlain or Benedict Arnold?)
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To: Nervous Tick
1) It buys time

Maybe a day, at most. More likely a few hours. What good, exactly, does that do?

2) It keeps them from considering other damaging bills

Such as?

3) It keeps the issue FRONT and CENTER in the press, thus keeping the populus stirred up; they have a short memory

Okay. They present the amendment one day, and it gets voted down a day later. How is that keeping this issue front and center?

4) Done properly, it embarrasses the opposition and forces them to confront their own folly

Sory, you've lost me. How exactly does voting against a repeal of something they just passed embarrass the Democrats?

Now, YOU tell ME: what exactly is to be gained by rolling over and playing nice

I never suggested we do that.

oppose, oppose, oppose this evil government and its socialist direction?

I agree. We should oppose by all effective means. Proposing this silly amendment only to get it voted down the next day is not one of them.

98 posted on 03/25/2010 9:37:46 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: firebrand
There has to be a substitute Republican bill. Vastly simplified over this 2700-page wonder that no one understands. So repeal should wait until 2011, repeal and replace. The platform for the November elections should include the simplified bill. MHO, anyway.

You're a no good Rino! By adding "replace," we're conceding that health care reform is necessary! A true conservative would simply campaign on repeal! Any attempt to make health insurance more accessible is socialism.

/unhinged, anti-intellectual knee-jerk Freeper mode

99 posted on 03/25/2010 2:16:16 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
I think out each issue by itself. On some I disagree with the FR consensus.

I don't think we can continue with the present system or lack thereof. Although I am in favor of capitalism and free enterprise in general, I wonder if a profit-making industry should be in charge of our health care. Their profit necessarily comes out of our care.

The Dems have tried to please everybody but have ended up with a confusing and I think unworkable pastiche. Besides, they are amoral and will use age or pre-born-ness to determine whether someone gets care, or life--an essentially unethical foundation. We can't leave things the way they are. Health care has gotten expensive enough to bankrupt people, and the insurance as constructed by the insurance industry is not working. They are in business to deny as much health care as possible.

I think the ideas of simplify and make totally ethical are a winning combination for Republicans.

100 posted on 03/25/2010 2:48:06 PM PDT by firebrand
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