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Are Muslims Exempt From Obamacare?
BillLawrenceOnline.Com ^ | 3-25-10

Posted on 03/25/2010 6:08:52 PM PDT by Tribune7

Obamacare, or H.R. 3590, mandates that after 2013 everybody carries essential insurance coverage or be penalized (see Chapter 48 section 5000A). The goal of the law was to provide insurance for all obviously and making requiring everyone to buy it is certainly one way to achieve this goal.

And, of course, with everyone now pitching in the burden will be shared and rates will drop, at least that's how the theory goes.

There is a religious exemption, however, to this mandate which can be found in section d of the above section

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1 posted on 03/25/2010 6:08:52 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: combat_boots

ping


2 posted on 03/25/2010 6:09:58 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Tribune7

I’m that religion.

Quick


3 posted on 03/25/2010 6:11:25 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Tribune7
Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.


4 posted on 03/25/2010 6:11:56 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Tribune7

I’m that religion.

Quick.

Amish, right?

No?

Oops , better read the article.

Wow.

Who would of thunk Obama would do it ..................

But then again all Congress people, and their STAFFS, are exempt too!!!!


5 posted on 03/25/2010 6:13:07 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Tribune7

This is all SOOOOOO unconstitutional.


6 posted on 03/25/2010 6:14:11 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Tribune7

Muslims and Amish.

My new name will be Muhammed Stoltzfus.


7 posted on 03/25/2010 6:14:17 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

if you claim your a muslim you dont pay its a trick to bait the masses then implement muslim programs. muslims are patient people they will use this


8 posted on 03/25/2010 6:15:00 PM PDT by truthbetold11 (truthbetold11)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

MA has the Religious exemption also. I use it and pay for my own medical care as needed.


9 posted on 03/25/2010 6:15:21 PM PDT by MissyMack66
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To: Tribune7

I think so. I read that buying health insurance is forbidden by the religion.


10 posted on 03/25/2010 6:15:22 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Tribune7

Why Muslims and Amish? Whatever the reason, Christians and Jews should proclaim this reason, too. We “suddenly” find it in our Bibles!


11 posted on 03/25/2010 6:19:11 PM PDT by jeffc (I now live in National Socialist America)
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To: Tribune7

Sounds like it’s time to get the Church of John Moses Browning formally recognized...


12 posted on 03/25/2010 6:24:44 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Tribune7

Since the Amish are a Christian sect, and thus can claim a religious exemption, and Muslims can claim an exemption based on their rejection of insurance, as a form of usury, it seems to me that a Christian religious doctrine could be reasonably established that would permit modern medicine, but only on a cash basis with health care providers.

Any third parties, such as the government, or insurers, would be excluded as usurious. Likewise, health providers from that Christian religious sect would reject all government or insurance involvement in their health care relationship with patients.

This means no electronic record keeping, and the only taxes levied would be sales and income taxes.

This would have the same basic idea as home schooling based on religious preferences.


13 posted on 03/25/2010 6:25:09 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: truthbetold11

What happens when they get sick? Aren’t they using the government health plans of Britain and other European nations? Isn’t this also a form of insurance since all taxpayers must pay into the system but not all people benefit from it equally?


14 posted on 03/25/2010 6:25:46 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: SueRae

LOL


15 posted on 03/25/2010 6:29:57 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: Tribune7

/mark


16 posted on 03/25/2010 6:31:41 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (1.416785(71) x 10^32)
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To: MissyMack66
MA has the Religious exemption also. I use it and pay for my own medical care as needed.

If you don't mind my asking, what religions (or denominations) do they exempt?

17 posted on 03/25/2010 6:32:35 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Tribune7
Paste Wallah!

I am now a Mooslim!
18 posted on 03/25/2010 6:35:44 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: Tribune7
Yes, muslims will be exempt from ObamaCare mandates.

The fatwas are already out on it:

"Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Health insurance is haraam like other types of commercial insurance, because it is based on ambiguity, gambling and riba (usury). This is what is stated in fatwas by the senior scholars. See the answer to question no. 39474 and 4210.

In Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (15/277) there is a quotation of a statement of the Council of Senior Scholars concerning the prohibition on insurance and why it is haraam:

snip

Secondly:

The fact that the state makes insurance compulsory does not make it permissible; rather the burden of sin is waived from the person or company who is obliged to do that. As for the broker company which is doing this work by choice, it is guilty of sin."

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/113924/insurance

19 posted on 03/25/2010 6:36:59 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Tribune7

Allah’u akbar mother frackers!

WOO HOO!!!


20 posted on 03/25/2010 6:38:41 PM PDT by noblejones (Obama rules!)
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To: jdege
Sounds like it’s time to get the Church of John Moses Browning formally recognized...

Amen Brother!! If any man be a prophet, it was he.

21 posted on 03/25/2010 6:41:12 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Tribune7

Are these people not required to buy AUTO insurance?

And what in the hell happened to “separation of church and state?” I’m sorry - but if the ACLU can file lawsuit after lawsuit proclaiming “separation” of church/state, am I wrong to follow the train of thought that there should be NO religious exemptions?


22 posted on 03/25/2010 6:46:46 PM PDT by Dasaji (On a beach somewhere in my head...)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

What the “h..l happened to the separation of church and state these liberals are ALWAYS preaching about? I guess the only ones to be separated are Christians and Jews.


23 posted on 03/25/2010 6:47:49 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Tribune7

I’d pay for this health care BS before I’d ever say I was muslim.


24 posted on 03/25/2010 6:48:40 PM PDT by airborne ("Peace, Love, Dope" has now become "Hope, Change, Obama" !!!)
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To: Tribune7
Are Muslims Exempt From Obamacare?

Obama's staff is exempt from Obamacare, and many of them are muslim.

25 posted on 03/25/2010 6:49:10 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Tribune7

I’m starting an Amish offshoot, the Florida Reformed Amish Church, or FRAC...
We’re adapting Amish religion to new technology..,
For example we ban video games, but allow night vision goggles. Notebook computers are allowed, but ipads are not. Hybrid cars are a no no, but V-8’s are appropriate technology.

You must look good in black.


26 posted on 03/25/2010 6:49:13 PM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: Tribune7
Let's say hypothetically, er.. we had a constitution, okay, and er, let's say there was an establishment clause... Wouldn't this be in conflict with that, say, in theory... hmmm?
27 posted on 03/25/2010 6:52:19 PM PDT by ProvenWays
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To: Tribune7

Is there yet a list of all religious groups that get exemptions?


28 posted on 03/25/2010 6:59:29 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: truthbetold11

Everybody can become muslim and make bacon required eating.

Can’t beat em one way, beat em the other.


29 posted on 03/25/2010 7:00:58 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Can anyone in existing Christian medical sharing pools also get out of Obamacare, since they are already practicing a system outside of “medical insurance”?


30 posted on 03/25/2010 7:01:23 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: Waverunner

Are Mennonites also exempted? They’re allowed cars, computers, and have a strong work ethic.
Become certified as a minister there, then create an official schism therein.


31 posted on 03/25/2010 7:03:23 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I’ve always heard that if you want to get rich don’t start a business. Start a religion. I’m going to start one. It’s “The Second Amish Christian Church of Texas”. Our belief is we are commanded not to do anything that’s not in the constitution but to take all health care that is available so we may be strong in fighting all of God’s enemies”.


32 posted on 03/25/2010 7:20:35 PM PDT by Terry Mross (God, will you please send Pat Leahy to Murtha's house?)
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To: tbw2

I believe that any group that currently is exempted from social security would also be exempt from Obamacare. That includes Mennonites and Scientologists.


33 posted on 03/25/2010 7:21:06 PM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Mmm hmmmm.

Exactly.


34 posted on 03/25/2010 7:45:20 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: freedomfiter2

I found the full requirements:
Members of certain religious groups may qualify for an exemption from the Social Security tax. To do so, they must:

* Waive their rights to all benefits under the Social Security Act, including hospital insurance benefits; and
* Meet the following requirements:

1. Be a member of a recognized religious sect conscientiously opposed to accepting benefits;.
2. Be a member of a religious sect that makes a reasonable provision for its dependent members and has done so continuously since December 31, 1950.
3. Have never received or been entitled to any benefits payable under Social Security programs;

If you meet all these stipulations you can claim the Social Security self-employment tax exemption. To do so, file IRS Form 4029 (Application for Exemption From Social Security and Medicare Taxes and Waiver of Benefits) with the Social Security Administration.


35 posted on 03/25/2010 7:58:31 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: tbw2

Thanks. I’ve never heard that Muslims meet these requirements.


36 posted on 03/25/2010 8:06:01 PM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: Flycatcher

Any demoniation, to quote, ‘so long as it is a sinerely held conviction’.


37 posted on 03/25/2010 8:46:54 PM PDT by MissyMack66
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To: Tribune7

How is that legal?


38 posted on 03/25/2010 8:59:33 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Usually people want to emerge OUT of the Dark Ages. But in our case, we're running TOWARDS it. Fast.)
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To: tbw2
Is there yet a list of all religious groups that get exemptions?

No, all that people are going on is the wording of this part of Chapter 48 Section 5000:

(d) Applicable Individual- For purposes of this section--
`(1) IN GENERAL- The term `applicable individual' means, with respect to any month, an individual other than an individual described in paragraph (2), (3), or (4).
`(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS-
`(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION- Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.

To check out the various sections mentioned go to Thomas.gov & search for HR 3590.

FWIW, I couldn't find section 1402 (g) (1). It seems to stop at (f).

39 posted on 03/25/2010 9:07:08 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: Tribune7; Arthur Wildfire! March

The reference to 1402(g)(1) appears to be from the IRS. There are other connotations, however.


40 posted on 03/26/2010 3:38:35 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

What about Catholics - and any other religion - that condemns abortion?


41 posted on 03/26/2010 4:51:17 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: combat_boots

Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate [American Thinker]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2480046/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2480028/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2479986/posts


42 posted on 03/26/2010 5:01:22 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Tribune7

What about Christian Scientists??


43 posted on 03/26/2010 5:23:23 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: jdege

You mean The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka Mormonism?


44 posted on 03/26/2010 5:44:56 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: combat_boots
The reference to 1402(g)(1) appears to be from the IRS.

You are correct. It looks like it's up to the commissioner of Social Security to decide if Muslims are exempt.

45 posted on 03/26/2010 5:52:26 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: Little Ray
You mean The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka Mormonism?

No.

Discussions concerning the Church of John Moses Browning began a number of years ago, with some court cases concerning the Sikhs.

The Sikh religion imposes a number of obligations on its adherents, among which is the carrying, at all times, of a sword or knife - called a kirpan, as a symbol of their willingness to fight injustice. This religious obligation had led to some conflicts with laws forbidding the carrying of knives in certain places. The Sikhs had won, in court, a religious exemption to these bans.

Which got several of us thinking. Could we not get a similar religious exemption for the Church of John Moses Browning, adherents of which would be obligated to carry, at all times and all places, a handgun of Browning design, as a symbol of their willingness to fight injustice?

46 posted on 03/26/2010 5:56:53 AM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege

I like it.

I have always thought of John Moses Browning as a saint, along with Samuel Colt (who made all men, and women, equal). But I always thought of them as unrecognized Christian saints...


47 posted on 03/26/2010 6:07:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

American Thinker has picked this up?

Wow. How about that sports fans!

And here, the source I divined about this no longer has the same language about the correlation between the lunation, the Gregorian year 1402 corresponding to the hijra calendar use of the 1st year for it (even though it would not have been the actual year ‘1’ of the hijri caldendar, etc.


48 posted on 03/26/2010 6:27:57 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Tribune7

The kicker is that the jackasses that shoved the Obamacare suppository up our collective keister are exempt from it.


49 posted on 03/26/2010 6:34:36 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: combat_boots

You really had me confused about the coded message, FRiend. You also seemed too irritated for me to ask for clarification. It was a painful time. [Glad we can now look ahead.] They subtly rewrote the bill? Interesting.


50 posted on 03/28/2010 4:22:56 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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