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AT&T, Deere CEOs Called by Waxman to Back Up Health-Bill Costs (Rats don't like the consequences)
Business Week ^ | 3/27/2010 | Viola Gienger

Posted on 03/28/2010 4:28:51 AM PDT by tobyhill

Representative Henry Waxman called the chief executive officers of AT&T Inc., Verizon Communications Inc., Caterpillar Inc. and Deere & Co. to provide evidence to support costs the companies plan to book related to the new health-care law.

Waxman of California, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and subcommittee Chairman Bart Stupak of Michigan released letters they wrote to the executives, saying their plans to record expenses against earnings as a result of the law contradict other estimates. The lawmakers requested the executives appear at hearing Stupak plans on April 21.

“The new law is designed to expand coverage and bring down costs, so your assertions are a matter of concern,” Waxman and Stupak, both Democrats, wrote in the letters yesterday. “They also appear to conflict with independent analyses.”

AT&T, the biggest U.S. phone company, is among employers that have announced plans to book costs related to the health- care law signed this week by President Barack Obama. The 10- year, $940-billion legislation is intended to cover 32 million uninsured Americans and provide benefits such as restricting premiums and ending the practice of denying coverage for pre- existing conditions.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessweek.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; ceo; democratcorruption; democrats; economy; healthcarecosts; liberalfascism; obamacare; socialisthealthcare; stupak; unemployment; waxman
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1 posted on 03/28/2010 4:28:52 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Tell the criminals to pack sand.


2 posted on 03/28/2010 4:33:49 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: tobyhill

Dear Waxy:
Screw you.
Sincerely
CEO’s


3 posted on 03/28/2010 4:33:51 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: tobyhill

OK, boys and girls, this is the way it’s going to be. Not only are you going to take your medicine, you’re going to LIKE it.


4 posted on 03/28/2010 4:34:46 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: All
“Waxman and Stupak said the Congressional Budget Office had reported that average premium costs per person would decrease as much as 3 percent by 2016 for companies insuring more than 50 employees.”

Waxman and Stupid Stupak just contradicted Obama’s claim that premiums for companies will decrease between 15% and 20%.
Next up, “premiums would have increased more if we hadn't acted”.

5 posted on 03/28/2010 4:35:56 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

This is gonna be popcorn time, I’m thinking.

I heard earlier today that about 3500 companies participate in this program. And if publicly traded, they ALL have to report these losses within the quarter they are announced. Which is the first quarter of 2010. That is the law.

The deadline of which is Wednesday this upcoming week.

LOL


6 posted on 03/28/2010 4:36:02 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: tobyhill
This is like anyone of us average citizens telling these big corporations that make billions how to run thier business efficiently. To a##clown elitists with no knowledge of business let alone governance
7 posted on 03/28/2010 4:36:32 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Cool heads prevail)
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To: tobyhill

The Pig Man is trying to intimidate these companies.

Not only do Americans get screwed by this health bill we have to have people like the Pig Man Waxman harass them.


8 posted on 03/28/2010 4:36:48 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: tobyhill

More discussion here. Good explanation at post #34. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2481533/posts


9 posted on 03/28/2010 4:37:43 AM PDT by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: tobyhill
Waxman and Stupak, two of the smartest men in America, are shocked that their massive Communist takeover of one sixth of the economy will raise costs to employers. Perhaps this is why every economic and unemployment report is “unexpectedly” worse than first thought?

Of course we must trot out DemonRAT lapdog GE to say “we don't expect to have higher costs this year”.

Who to believe....?

10 posted on 03/28/2010 4:39:35 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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To: tobyhill

Hey Nostrilus, can we give them a Show Trial like you love to put on for the media? Somehow, I’ll bet he doesn’t want cameras around when these guys start quoting figures.


11 posted on 03/28/2010 4:40:07 AM PDT by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: tobyhill
What good little myrmidons:

No Charge at GE

General Electric Co., the world’s biggest maker of jet engines, power-plant turbines and locomotives, said today it doesn’t anticipate taking a charge tied to the health-care law.

GE, of Fairfield, Connecticut, doesn’t see any “material effect” from the law, spokeswoman Anne Eisele said today.

12 posted on 03/28/2010 4:41:02 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: tobyhill; FatherofFive
I think it is very interesting that this comes out AFTER the bill is passed and signed.

I also think that it should have a big ole'

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13 posted on 03/28/2010 4:41:24 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: tobyhill

ATT is required by law to tell their shareholders the truth. Waxman and the rest of his lying politician cronies are under no such constraint.


14 posted on 03/28/2010 4:41:32 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: wayoverontheright

Yeah. No doubt. This is most extremely interesting in how its going to play out.

You don’t think it’ll amount to telling truth to power do you?

The fact is, the more “victories” the Democrats accumulate, the more they “own”.


15 posted on 03/28/2010 4:42:04 AM PDT by raygun
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To: tobyhill

Waxman and Stupak. Thank you, Dems, for providing two such excellent examples of your intellectual prowess. “Holy crap,” as Frank Barone would say.


16 posted on 03/28/2010 4:42:32 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead)
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To: tobyhill
Oh no! Eeeeeeevil CEOs want to drop your health care coverage just because they want to make money! How rotten! Why, we must quickly institute the public option so these poor, abused and exploited workers no longer depend on eeeeeevil business to take care of them, especially since those businesses would just as soon sneak into their homes at night and hold a pillow over their babies mouths and noses just to save a buck, ya know.

Let's see if I got Waxman's rant about right.

17 posted on 03/28/2010 4:45:00 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Daisyjane69

Guess certain members of Congress won’t have much of a recess. They will be too busy threatening CEOs (and news media) between now and Tuesday.

Most of the media simply won’t report the losses.


18 posted on 03/28/2010 4:47:45 AM PDT by a real Sheila (3-21-10 The first shot of the 2nd American Revolution!)
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To: tobyhill
Waxman and Stupak said the Congressional Budget Office had reported that average premium costs per person would decrease as much as 3 percent by 2016 for companies insuring more than 50 employees.

3 Percent? That's 3 orders of magnitude below the savings of 3000% as claimed by our dear leader.

19 posted on 03/28/2010 4:49:54 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: tobyhill
And this is how I fear it will continue to be. Over time, anyone who points out the costs, the disregard of the constitution, the very wrongness of the so called healthcare bill, will be singled out, demonized, harassed, punished. If government is allowed to continue down this road it will become illegal to speak out against the government on any matter. There are those who think I am over reacting. History tells me no I am not. This is the way of all dictatorships.
20 posted on 03/28/2010 4:50:42 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: tobyhill

Please, CEOs, kick the polemic crap out of that freak of nature, Waxman, and other socialists on the panel. Show them and the rest of us that the country is not the government and that the country will not stand by to be spoliated by a small group of social planners headed by a community organizer.


21 posted on 03/28/2010 4:50:56 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Venturer

It is UTTER MADDNESS!

Waxman to corporations-

“Here are the new hellcare laws! You must spent a billion dollars, or else! What? Your accounting says it will cost you a billion dollars? COOK YOUR BOOKS to say otherwise! We CANNOT have the American public knowing we LIED......yet again!”


22 posted on 03/28/2010 4:51:02 AM PDT by a real Sheila (3-21-10 The first shot of the 2nd American Revolution!)
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To: Daisyjane69

Obama and the Dems made such a deal: Corporations were paying for 72% of pharmaceutical benefits for retirees and the government was paying for 28%. This kept retirees out of medicare prescription coverage. Now that the cost has gone up because the government no longer is going to send the Corporations the 28% Obama & the Dems are stunned that 1) accounting rules dictate that the coporations have to book the loss of the 28% for the next few decades that they anticipate the retirees receiving this benefit will live and estimate the liability on new retirees AND calculate if now is the right time to bump them off the corporate benefit plan and make medicare absorb 100% of the cost of them.

Real smart there obama.


23 posted on 03/28/2010 4:52:15 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: raygun

I’m sure you saw yesterday the dems were ALREADY BLAMING Repubs for the ‘mandatory coverage for everyone’ part of the bill! And the media ran with it, reporting it as fact.
As more poop hits the fan, before long I expect the media to report that Repubs wrote the ENTIRE BILL!

Dems own it and they can SHOVE IT.


24 posted on 03/28/2010 4:53:27 AM PDT by a real Sheila (3-21-10 The first shot of the 2nd American Revolution!)
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To: a real Sheila

Gentlemen, See that man over there he is from the IRS. Have any of you ever had your personal returns audited?

I got a feeling the CEOs will fall in line with the government line.


25 posted on 03/28/2010 4:54:29 AM PDT by Outrance
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To: Madame Dufarge
I think we need a couple of whistle blowers at GE to show how GE is cooking the books and concealing material facts from the shareholders.
26 posted on 03/28/2010 4:54:51 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Madame Dufarge

That is because, unlike 3M, AT & T, Caterpillar, etc, GE long ago DUMPED their retirees off the prescription benefit and onto the taxpayer by moving them to medicare coverage. Now AT & T, 3M etc will be inclined to do the same as they are expected to foot 100% of the cost of retiree prescriptions instead of 72%.


27 posted on 03/28/2010 4:55:11 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: tobyhill

The costs of the health bill will ultimately be billed to consumers, which can only weaken America’s corporations and lead to further downward pressures on an already shakey economy. Our nation’s congressmen clearly flunked Econ 101; not that they care - unlike workers in the private sector, their salaries and perks are all quite ample and secure, thank you.


28 posted on 03/28/2010 4:56:10 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: tobyhill
“The new law is designed to expand coverage and bring down costs, so your assertions are a matter of concern,” Waxman and Stupak, both Democrats, wrote in the letters yesterday. “They also appear to conflict with independent analyses.”

This is hilarious!

This is like a pharmaceutical company demanding that a dying man prove he is dying because they have an independent analysis that showed their medicine was the cure.

"We have an independent analysis, dammit!!! You can't die!!!"

29 posted on 03/28/2010 4:56:30 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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To: D1X1E

You are NOT over reacting.
I have been amazed and HORRIFIED watching the suppression of free speech since the beginning of the Obama campaign first started.

Anyone who cannot see the parallels between him and Hitler is just closed minded. It is glaringly obvious!


30 posted on 03/28/2010 4:56:54 AM PDT by a real Sheila (3-21-10 The first shot of the 2nd American Revolution!)
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To: Truth29

It is apples & oranges. The loss to AT&% and others arises because they still carry retirees on their benefit plans for prescription coverage. Previously the government was paying 28% of this cost but no more - this bill cuts off that 28% so the companies have to book the additional expense for all future years in the current period as a result of the loss of this 28%. BUT they will also now do what GE did a long time ago - dump retirees prescriptions on medicare and so medicare will now pay 100% instead of 28%.


31 posted on 03/28/2010 4:57:31 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: pnh102
....the savings of 3000%

Math ain't Obamalamadingdong's strong suit......

32 posted on 03/28/2010 5:01:58 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Thermalseeker
Math ain't Obamalamadingdong's strong suit......

True. Remember unemployment is supposed to be no greater than 8%, right?

33 posted on 03/28/2010 5:03:50 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: HD1200
Ah... HD1200 you must be an accountant.

I didn't get that far in my studies of it, but can I also assume do to "Sarbanes Oxley" they have to report it right away, and the CEO must sign it and risk jail time if they don't? It sounds like they will "ammortize" the loss over the time frame you mentioned vs. taking a one time hit, Why?

The irony is Corp America is held to a much higher accounting standard than Congress. The RNC should in their 2nd Contract with America (what ever they call it, if they even have the brains to go their) make Congress abide by Sarbanes Oxley. Then watch the resignations and watch them reach for the Kayopectate.

34 posted on 03/28/2010 5:04:53 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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To: a real Sheila

Nope. I did not see the Dems accusing the Repubs insisting that universal coverage be part and parcel of the Dems universal health care bill.

That’s a hoot.

Got link?


35 posted on 03/28/2010 5:05:57 AM PDT by raygun
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To: Outrance
Gentlemen, See that man over there he is from the IRS. Have any of you ever had your personal returns audited? I got a feeling the CEOs will fall in line with the government line.

They can't "fall in line", they would be breaking the law and would go to jail. This administration has no power to force these companies to come in for an "interrogation", regardless of what they say. If they had the power they would have issued subpoenas.

36 posted on 03/28/2010 5:07:27 AM PDT by calex59
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To: HD1200

Honest to goodness, we’ve never had a dumber group of people in charge.

It’s downright stunning.


37 posted on 03/28/2010 5:09:32 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Madame Dufarge

Indeed. GE seems to be playing nicely at the government’s game. Submissive, quiet, funny accounting, just what the democrats ordered.


38 posted on 03/28/2010 5:10:00 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Prayers for the Ft. Hood families, victims and soldiers.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I think what's going on is that these companies are ready to dump health insurance for their employees and take the fines instead. The fines are much cheaper than the insurance.
The fines would have to be paid right up front whereas the savings from not having to pay for their insurance comes at the end of the fiscal year and that's where the write-off is.
The union workers will have to realize soon that Communism comes at a price.
39 posted on 03/28/2010 5:10:07 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: HD1200
That is because, unlike 3M, AT & T, Caterpillar, etc, GE long ago DUMPED their retirees off the prescription benefit and onto the taxpayer by moving them to medicare coverage.

Ah, well that explains a whole lot.

Too bad the article didn't include that piece of vital information.

Thanks for the info.

40 posted on 03/28/2010 5:10:25 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: tobyhill
Waxman has no justification until these companies actually take the charges they've announced. They should tell Waxman to "suck it".
41 posted on 03/28/2010 5:10:37 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: D1X1E

I don’t think you’re overreacting. It will very soon be illegal to demur in any way from our Great Leader’s plans. Let me clarify: it won’t actually be illegal, because there won’t actually be any laws providing this. But they won’t need the laws, because they’ll enforce it in other ways, ranging from media shows to tax harrassment to, if they can manage it, trumped up criminal charges on other matters.


42 posted on 03/28/2010 5:11:20 AM PDT by livius
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To: HD1200
"It is apples & oranges. The loss to AT&% and others arises because they still carry retirees on their benefit plans for prescription coverage. Previously the government was paying 28% of this cost but no more - this bill cuts off that 28% so the companies have to book the additional expense for all future years in the current period as a result of the loss of this 28%. BUT they will also now do what GE did a long time ago - dump retirees prescriptions on medicare and so medicare will now pay 100% instead of 28%."

So GE doesn't cover any prescription costs of its retirees? That piece of information won't be reported, of course.

43 posted on 03/28/2010 5:11:38 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: taildragger

No to amortizing the loss. The company carried a liability on its balance sheet representing a projected cost for retiree benefits for a few decades of expense based on having to pay 72% of the losses. They had already hit the income statement with this charge as they built the liability up over financial years as employees retired and the company decided to allow them to remain on the company drug plan. Now the calculations for all those years are off by the 28% the government was paying. They have to take a hit now on the income statement for the entire amount that loss of 28% for a number of years in the future represents based on actuary calculations. The companies will now weight whether they should just dump the retirees off the company drug plan and onto the government (medicare) so medicare pays 100% of the cost. If they did this they could reverse a lot of accrued expense on their books and then watch the Democrats brag how their HCR enabled companies to shave costs WHEN IN FACT their doing so dumped it on medicare!


44 posted on 03/28/2010 5:12:43 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: tobyhill
The new law is designed to expand coverage and bring down costs.

Bizarro world.

45 posted on 03/28/2010 5:13:32 AM PDT by petercooper (Ignorant Obama Voters: Happy Now?)
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To: tobyhill

They’d better fly “commercial” to D.C.


46 posted on 03/28/2010 5:13:50 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: tobyhill

Reality really bites, don’t it Nostrils?


47 posted on 03/28/2010 5:13:57 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: prairiebreeze; HD1200

HD1200 has an explanation at Post #26.


48 posted on 03/28/2010 5:14:38 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: prairiebreeze

Oops, sorry - Post #27.


49 posted on 03/28/2010 5:15:14 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: tobyhill

Nostildamas predicts that costs will come down.


50 posted on 03/28/2010 5:16:18 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions...$1 Halfbaked...50c)
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