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National poll shows support for more money for public transit
Pittsburgh Post Gazette ^ | March 30, 2010 | Jon Schmitz

Posted on 03/30/2010 11:07:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog

A majority of Americans supports increased spending on public transit and a slim majority is willing to pay higher taxes for it, according to a poll released today.

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Some 51 percent expressed support for a "small" tax increase to pay for better public transit, while 46 percent were opposed.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2010polls; government; polling; taxes; transit
Just Hop on the Bus, Gus We Don't Want to Discuss Much

Just turn in your keys, Lee You don't need to be free

1 posted on 03/30/2010 11:07:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

here is an idea. Let the people who ride the bus pay for the bus. All of it, 100% of the actual cost.


2 posted on 03/30/2010 11:08:37 AM PDT by GeronL (There is only a "Happily ever after" for you if you're the one writing your own script)
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To: GeronL

article says it is the result of a “national sample of 800 people”....no doubt all of them standing in the rain at bus stops in front of the Welfare Office.


3 posted on 03/30/2010 11:12:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

800 is a small sample, doesn’t sound like a scientific poll


4 posted on 03/30/2010 11:14:37 AM PDT by GeronL (There is only a "Happily ever after" for you if you're the one writing your own script)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I am guessing they mainly polled people who live in big cities like Boston, NYC, San Francisco, etc.


5 posted on 03/30/2010 11:19:33 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“and a slim majority is willing to pay higher taxes for it”....

Sure!....As long as it’s cost effective, right? We are talking about fricking government you idiots!!!!


6 posted on 03/30/2010 11:19:44 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Buckeye McFrog
This poll is as good as if it an on line poll by Salon.com.

The only person here at FR that would have been positive on a poll like this is Willie Green.

7 posted on 03/30/2010 11:23:52 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 161)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Those who drive private cars already pay the state for the privilege (licensing, tags, mandatory insurance, and gas taxes).

Let “public transportation” be funded from the consumers who use it.


8 posted on 03/30/2010 11:25:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I’ve asked in the past, if every passenger’s ride is going to be heavily subsidized by taxpayers, just make the systems free.

I’m told that too many people would ride then. Which shows that full ridership/reduced private transit is not the goal.


9 posted on 03/30/2010 11:26:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Let that “slim majority” who are willing to pay higher taxes for it cover the entire bill themselves.
10 posted on 03/30/2010 11:27:39 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Barack Obama is Osama bin Laden's relief pitcher.)
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To: GeronL

It’s Pennsylvannia...libtard Rendell country....says enough for me....


11 posted on 03/30/2010 11:28:06 AM PDT by cranked
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To: GeronL

Public transit is one of the few “public” ventures I agree with. More people ride the bus, the fewer driving. Less traffic. I also am glad it helps some of those who would otherwise not be able to get jobs on the other side of town. (Disclosure: I live in Los Angeles and for the past six months, I’ve been riding the bus. Car got too expensive.)


12 posted on 03/30/2010 11:31:16 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (I miss having a First LADY.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I didn’t say it shouldn’t exist. I just think the users should pay for it.


13 posted on 03/30/2010 11:32:40 AM PDT by GeronL (There is only a "Happily ever after" for you if you're the one writing your own script)
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To: GeronL

my 40K sized university town here in TN recently got a bus service. we got it through stimulus funds. the justification? College kids were having to walk a MILE to retail stores... The poor who don’t have cars need it (never mind that there is already a free ferry service for the poor and elderly). Of course, the grant only covered the buses. We the local taxpayers get to pay for the upkeep, employees, etc... so now we have these bright green shiny buses driving around.....empty. Haven’t yet seen a passenger on them.


14 posted on 03/30/2010 11:33:57 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: jdub

They drives routes here all day whether anyone needs them or not. I remember the city council rejected a private alternative a while back to use smaller buses and a flex routing system where based on the riders residences they could actually change routes on the fly.

Stoopid.


15 posted on 03/30/2010 11:36:29 AM PDT by GeronL (There is only a "Happily ever after" for you if you're the one writing your own script)
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To: A_perfect_lady
I live in Los Angeles and for the past six months, I’ve been riding the bus. Car got too expensive.

And you think the bus that your transit district (MTA?) paid $300-400K for and gets around 4 mpg and whose driver earns more than is collected in the farebox each day is less expensive?

To you, maybe. Not to the residents of LA, who are stuck with a 1% sales tax on every purchase just to subsidize your bus ride.

16 posted on 03/30/2010 11:42:38 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: GeronL

If only users paid for it, it would be a pair of donkeys. those big unions want big bucks to build things!


17 posted on 03/30/2010 11:44:22 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“article says it is the result of a “national sample of 800 people”....no doubt all of them standing in the rain at bus stops in front of the Welfare Office.”

Thanks, I was ready to say BS re this study. Then, you did this great job above.

In spite of all the green publicity about how great it is to ride on a dirty bus, driven by someone who hates their job and their riders, we see very few people riding our local buses. The buses are out making their rounds faithfully about 10-12 hours per day with few if any riders.

Our “free” trolley which ran from the outlets to down town and to other sites around downtown was discontinued because few people used it.

We, our grand kids, grand nephews/nieces and adult visitors liked the trolley and so did visitors. It was clean and the drivers acted like they enjoyed the job. The trolley was dced shortly after the meltdown hit.


18 posted on 03/30/2010 11:57:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Use your $'s as weapons! Boycott Gay Frisco, since they keep Pelosi in congress.)
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To: a fool in paradise
AMEN!

Those who drive private cars already pay the state/city/county for the privilege (licensing, tags, mandatory insurance, and gas taxes).

Let “public transportation” be funded from the consumers who use it.

19 posted on 03/30/2010 11:59:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Use your $'s as weapons! Boycott Gay Frisco, since they keep Pelosi in congress.)
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To: Grampa Dave
In spite of all the green publicity about how great it is to ride on a dirty bus, driven by someone who hates their job and their riders, we see very few people riding our local buses. The buses are out making their rounds faithfully about 10-12 hours per day with few if any riders.

There are some bus drivers who like their jobs. Would you believe that some bus drivers are drawing six-figure salaries?

They don't particularly like their passengers or the service they are providing, but it's an "easy" gig blowing through the route to get to the "break" points.

20 posted on 03/30/2010 12:07:02 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: jdub

In Houston, the city refuses internal and extenal ad revenues (something commonly seen on public transportation in other cities).

The revenue is available to fund public transportation, the city refuses it. But it’s driven by the same mindset that required all businesses to put their trash bins behind fences to “beautify” the city.

PS the city raised fares 25%


21 posted on 03/30/2010 12:09:50 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: GeronL

By “National poll” they meant they asked a baseball team in DC.


22 posted on 03/30/2010 12:16:46 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( FIRE STUPAK: LindaForCongress.com)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Polls usually tend to show that people want less spending and lower taxes in general but poll them on a specific type of spending such as busses, education, etc and they generally say that they want increased spending for that one thing.


23 posted on 03/30/2010 12:20:30 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I am all for anything that keeps the city folk in the city and out of the countryside. Public transit does that quite well.


24 posted on 03/30/2010 12:31:15 PM PDT by Between the Lines (AreYouWhoYouSayYouAre?)
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To: GeronL

“here is an idea. Let the people who ride the bus pay for the bus. All of it, 100% of the actual cost.”

but you use the highway and police departments, hypocrite!

/lib


25 posted on 03/30/2010 12:41:34 PM PDT by stompk
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

““and a slim majority is willing to pay higher taxes for it”....”

somewhere out there some dem has legally changed his name to “slim majority” and is making a freaking fortune at the polls.


26 posted on 03/30/2010 12:42:54 PM PDT by stompk
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To: jdub

cookeville?


27 posted on 03/30/2010 12:57:00 PM PDT by sticker
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To: sticker

yep


28 posted on 03/30/2010 1:05:41 PM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: jdub

Figured, what did they do figure how far it was for the students to the Starbucks, it is not that far to downtown is it?


29 posted on 03/30/2010 1:16:08 PM PDT by sticker
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To: sticker

starbucks is down by the interstate. to the center of town from the school is about half a mile. there’s a couple of indy coffee shops in walking distance. one of these days i’m going to get on, count how many riders in an hour then write to the paper about it.


30 posted on 03/30/2010 3:11:32 PM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: logician2u

I’ve explained why I think it’s beneficial overall. If you don’t agree, c’est la vie. I pay taxes for schools even though I have no children. Even Freepers sometimes cannot homeschool.


31 posted on 03/30/2010 7:36:11 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (I miss having a First LADY.)
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To: jdub
I am very familiar with that Starbucks, conveniently located about half way between Gallatin and Knoxville. I also did a lot of work with TTU and Putnam County Schools.
32 posted on 03/31/2010 5:42:22 AM PDT by sticker
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To: A_perfect_lady

I think public transit is good provided it largely pays for itself and it isn’t used to increase the strength of unions which cause the cost of implementing transit systems to be prohibitive. When I traveled to Edinburgh I enjoyed the mass transit. I hopped a bus to go to the train station and took a train to South Queensferry every day and back again. It was painless and about $5 bucks a day for the buses and maybe $50 total for the week traveling via the train. Much less than I’d have paid for gas had I gotten a rental. I do think a well designed efficient transit system is a boon for a city and nearly all the costs can be recouped directly or indirectly.

I just don’t want mass transit to become the only way I am allowed to get around or be tied permanently to the outrageous demands of leftist unions. Also the key element for me is simple and I apply the same to public schools. If they work and are cost effectively and aren’t used to eliminate my opinions or my personal liberty then I’m happy to have them. However I don’t want a transit system that works like La Public schools. If all the Teachers were like you I’d have to reconsider that thought.


33 posted on 03/31/2010 10:24:18 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Confiscation of wealth with out explicit consent is not charity.)
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