Ron Paul: Why didn’t the north just buy the south’s slaves and free them that way? (Insults Lincoln)

Hot Air ^ | 3-31-10 | Hot Air.com Staff

[Non-Sequitur]

Which contention on your part (cite your evidentiary sources, please) doesn't account for why Compensated Emancipation was succesful in every other country where it was tried.

Because it was forced on them. ...but in practice, slave-holders were content to take the money.

So I'll ask you this. If the government announced a plan that that they were buying every privately owned fiream in the country at market prices, and you had to sell all your firearms to them at fair value, but you could never purchase another gun ever again, would you be content to take the money and shut up about it?

[omegadawn]

The war was started by Linclon , who secretly had a Union warship entered Confederate waters to resupply a fort had had already been ordered to be turned over to Confederate forces as it was in a Confederate state. The Confederate States had legally withdrawn from the Union supported by the 15 th President Buchaan who ordered a peaceful transfer of all Northern bases to the Southern control. Warning shots were fired at the Union warship to force it to withdraw from Confederate waters. Lincoln did not have the support in Congress to declare war, so he created a incident to start one by declaring that the South had attacked a Union warship. And then he started the formation of a new army to attack the South without Congressional approval.(unconstitutional)

[the OlLine Rebel]

IIRC, it was alot longer for NJ to abolish it. More like 1830s?

[the OlLine Rebel]

Indeed. I guess those black journalists who “bought” some Sudanese slaves recently were morally despicable.

[Christian_Capitalist]

You're quoting the average price for prime field hands and/or skilled artisans. That gives an inflated result; you have to include women and children in the total, which brings down the average due to the lower prices these slaves commanded.

Here's some more accurate data for you.

The sales made by the professional slave traders were generally recorded each in a bill of sale; but in most of the localities these were not transcribed into the formal books of record, and the originals have mostly disappeared. The majority of the sales of which records are to be found were those of the slaves in the estates of deceased persons. These sales were at auction; and except in abnormal cases, which may often be distinguished, they may be taken as fairly representative of slave prices for the time and place.

There was always a great difference between the values of individual slaves. When the average price of negroes ranged about $500, prime field hands brought, say, $1,000, and skilled artisans still more. At that rate, an infant would be valued at about $100, a boy of twelve years and a man of fifty at about $500 each, and a prime wench for field work at $800 or $900.
--Author: Phillips, Ulrich B.
Title: “The Economic Cost of Slaveholding in the Cotton Belt.”

During the early English Colonial Period, 1640-1700, the price for a healthy male African slave about the equilivent of $100.00, with female slaves costing slightly less. From 1800-1860, healthy young male slaves brought up to $1500 and females brought up to $1000 dollars. Around $700 is probably the average cost.
--Copyright (c) 1994 "Emancipation Stations", by Henry Robert Burke

Alright, so:

Cost of Compensated Emancipation
$500-$700 average monetary price * 4 million slaves = $2.0 to $2.8 Billion dollars

Actual Cost of the War of Federal Aggression
$6 Billion dollars (This reflects Union expenditures only)
600,000 dead
Wrecked Southern infrastructure; damaged Northern infrastructure.

Yeah, that War was a real bargain, by comparison.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

Remove slavery from the equation, and you still wouldn’t have had a Civil War.

Remove everything else but slavery from the equation, and you’d still have had a Civil War.

Bottom line.

[central_va]

The Butcher's second inaugural speech excerpt:

Care to comment on the text in bold?

Fellow-Countrymen:

At this second appearing to take the oath of the presidential office, there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement, somewhat in detail, of a course to be pursued, seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention, and engrosses the enerergies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself; and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.

On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago, all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it—all sought to avert it. While the inaugeral address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissole the Union, and divide effects, by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war; but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive; and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came.

[Christian_Capitalist]

Indeed. I guess those black journalists who “bought” some Sudanese slaves recently were morally despicable.

Yeah, I suppose they were -- to everyone except the slaves who got freed. I rather suspect they didn't find it so despicable!!

[the OlLine Rebel]

Why did it take you so long to get here?

[wardaddy]

I had Donuts with Dad at 830AM with 3 year old number 5...and I am feeling it.

oldest dad in the fellowship hall..lol

i was burning 80s new wave for my 80s wife...her music chronolgy is a bit younger than mine

I see we have a new nice voice of reason here on FR...did you notice?

[omegadawn]

The South had already seceeded from the North when Linclon was sworn in as President. President Buchanan had ordered a Peaceful transfer of all Northern bases in Confederate states to be turned over to the South. Lincoln was a politican and told people what they wanted to hear(just like obama). He offered the South a Constitutional Amendment to guarantee slavery in the South if they returned to the Union. He didn't care about the slaves ,he wanted the Southern tax money to support the Union( 75% paid by the South )linclon like obama didn't feel the U.S. Constitution was something they had to follow.

[Christian_Capitalist]

i was burning 80s new wave for my 80s wife...her music chronolgy is a bit younger than mine

You too?

Mrs. Christian_Capitalist was born in 1988.
I'm a bad, bad old man.

[csivils]

Ron’s idea may seem crazy, but it is not far off from how William Wilberforce helped free slaves in England.

I wish the rest of Ron’s ideas made this much sense.

[egannacht]

The law still allowed slavery in all states backed up by SCOTUS decisions. Government buy backs never work. People would enslave their families for the free money.

The statement must be Swiftian satire.

[Eagle Eye]

Since I already sold mine and vowed never, ever, ever to purchase another, I guess it doesn’t matter anymore, does it.

[Christian_Capitalist]

Ron’s idea may seem crazy, but it is not far off from how William Wilberforce helped free slaves in England. I wish the rest of Ron’s ideas made this much sense.

They do, in terms of Domestic policy.

Most Republicans just don't want him to be allowed within shouting distance of Foreign policy.

Which is why even a great many of Ron Paul's supporters believe that he should remain in the Congress, rather than again seek the Presidency.
(Plus, he's getting too old to run for President, anyway. Ergo, I'm happy to see the younger Paul, Dr. Rand Paul, in alliance with Governor Palin -- whom I hope to be our GOP candidate in 2012).

[MHGinTN]

NS is a nasty agitprop. I see you’ve met the thing before since you’ve told it to run along.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Update: Interesting little page on NJ:

http://www.slavenorth.com/newjersey.htm

So, they passed an 1804 law for gradual abolition (which is good, and should’ve been done nationally), or a sunset more or less.

Generally seemed to work by 1840. It didn’t take total effect, though, until after 1860, with PC terms for slavery.

[Christian_Capitalist]

I haven’t corresponded with N-S much, but have already decided that it’s an experience I can comfortably do without. There’s smarter, more polite, more open-minded Unionists to debate. I prefer their company.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

Yes, I’m sure Andrew Johnson was SOO much better for the country.