Skip to comments.Students Resist Colleges, Strap on Empty Holsters (The next generation of pro-gun patriots)
Posted on 04/05/2010 9:38:48 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
April 2 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- College students across America will once again strap on empty holsters in an act of silent protest against laws and policies banning licensed concealed carry on campus.
The protest, sponsored by Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC), will take place April 5-9, 2010 and comes on the heels of college administrators discriminating against concealed carry permit holders, and censoring students who disagree.
According to the group, colleges have repeatedly ignored or attempted to keep students from discussing the issue. In Pennsylvania, one college banned SCCC member Christine Brashier from handing out fliers about the group, stating, "You may want to discuss this topic but the college does not, and you cannot make us." Another college in Texas tried to block students from wearing the symbolic empty holsters on campus until a federal judge ruled that their ban violated the First Amendment. And a recent decision at Colorado State University overturned a long-standing policy that allowed concealed carry, despite the fact that crime on campus decreased rapidly since allowing concealed carry on campus, and no problems were reported among permit holders. The ban was opposed by students, Student Government, and local law enforcement.
"Colleges aren't content to ban the right to self-defense anymore," said David Burnett, a spokesman for SCCC. "Now they're trying to suspend the right to freedom of speech. They want to silence us and hope we'll go away. It's outrageous and our membership cares too much about self defense to remain silent."
The group was formed shortly after the Virginia Tech shooting, and advocates that persons with state-issued permits be allowed to carry concealed handguns on college grounds.
"Compulsory defenselessness doesn't make students safer, it makes them less safe," said Burnett. "A piece of paper taped to the door saying guns are against the rules has yet to stop a criminal, whether a mass shooter or an armed rapist. It merely assures the criminal that victims are incapable of effective resistance. There are no security checkpoints or metal detectors to pass through in order to enter a college campus and absolutely no way for colleges to control what a criminal brings on campus. Until they can take responsibility for our safety and guarantee our protection, colleges can't be allowed to deny us the right to self-defense."
Concealed carry is a matter of law at one point, but at its important level it’s a matter of safety.
Since it’s concealed, it isn’t detectable unless they start putting scanners in the student unions.
Better being prosecuted for shooting a shooter with an impermissible, small concealed pocket pistol than to be a dead student at the hands of a shooter/mugger.
...but a ban on non-empty holsters isn't a problem with the second amendment?? I'm having a real problem here with people thinking that the Constitution is somehow an a la carte menu from which you're free to pick and choose the topics you're okay with.
Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
The truth is that I’ll bet the liberal lawyers would plead with the university NOT to prosecute a student who used an impermissible hidden weapon to protect himself against a shooter.
that would be a clear-cut self-defense, 2d amendment case that they’d never, ever want tried.
I’m for open carry on my campus.
Ahhh yes. The alleged intellectual left just LOVES DIVERSITY — so long as it isn’t at odds with their perverted, utopian, social engineering, man is perfectable world view.
HEY, NUTJOBS: We’re SINNERS (even you) and some of us are (HORRORS!!) KILLERS who just LOVE those gun-free zones you’ve created for us where — until the cops can be rousted from Krispy Kreme and saunter on over to the old campus — the only folks getting shot are DEFENSELESS STUDENTS AND FACULTY.
GUN FREE ZONE = EASY MASS KILL ZONE
Let’s just work on concealed carry right now. Open carry is harder to sell, and is less strategic.
>Lets just work on concealed carry right now. Open carry is harder to sell, and is less strategic.
Open Carry would be MUCH easier to do in my state; here’s what the State Constitution says regarding arms:
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.
As you can see, the open carry of firearms [in New Mexico] is Constitutionally protected from [infringing] State, County, and Municipality laws.
a la carte, alancarp?
Sorry, it just sort of rolls off the tongue!
I like PA’s Constitution regarding guns:
Right to Bear Arms Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.
>I like PAs Constitution regarding guns:
>Right to Bear Arms Section 21.
>The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.
Nice! Although with an appropriately twisted reading you could conclude that ‘registration’ or outright banning is NOT questioning that right.
Sad, but this is how, it seems, that our Congress [and even Judicial branch] works.
And shooting a shooter has the self-defense defense for the defender.
As they say, I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Then when the cops get there they just put yellow tape around the area and wait for the shooter to run out of bullets.
New Mexico also considers your vehicle an extension of your home, so you can have loaded or unloaded firearms anywhere in your car or truck whether you have a CWP or not.
Shall-issue CC is a fairly recent thing in NM, and that state levies some of the highest fees around for the licenses.
“Never had a single incident.”
Now ain’t that something? That’s the same thing that I’ve experienced. No blood running in the streets, no panics, no plagues of boils or anything else.
In the days before I and many others here in VA started OCing, the sage wisdom, even among otherwise pro-gun folks, was that you couldn’t OC without hassles. Then OC became somewhat fashionable and you know what happened?
Pretty much nothing.
Sitting in the dining hall at my college, holster on my hip. My brother was the one who told me about this protest at our college and I think he’s spread the word to a decent amount of people here.
>Shall-issue CC is a fairly recent thing in NM, and that state levies some of the highest fees around for the licenses.
I know, I got my CCW license in 2009. On a only tangentially related note, there was a dumbass at my local Albertson’s who wouldn’t accept the CCW license as a state-issued photo ID for buying booze. (Though it DOES have the DOB on it.)
>New Mexico also considers your vehicle an extension of your home, so you can have loaded or unloaded firearms anywhere in your car or truck whether you have a CWP or not.
Indeed. But that doesn’t stop me from being galled at this: http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=query&iid=66b036fd.eebbfe6.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2730-7-2.4%27%5D
Especially given the State Constitution’s specific prohibition of any law abridging the right to keep and bear arms for [among others] self defense.
I do it because it was a pain in the spring, summer and autumn to always cover up. I carry a Kimber Ultra for 9 months of the year and a Ruger LCP fo rthe summer.
But I came to a point where I decided it was more of a risk to carry concealed than to OC. If I am carrying my Kimber with a loose shirt, and the wind blos the shirt open and someone sees it, theoretically I could be charged with brandishing.
OCing takes that worry away. Am amazed that more people do not OC.
I also OC here because we have a lot of NY/NJ transplants and they bring their idiotic thinking about guns with them. The only way to change their thinking is to show them that not only criminals carry guns.
>If I am carrying my Kimber with a loose shirt, and the wind blows the shirt open and someone sees it, theoretically I could be charged with brandishing.
verb (used with object)
1. to shake or wave, as a weapon; flourish: Brandishing his sword, he rode into battle.
2. a flourish or waving, as of a weapon.
12751325; ME bra(u)ndisshen < AF, MF brandiss- (long s. of brandir, deriv. of brand sword < Gmc). See brand, -ish2
1. swing, flaunt, wield, display.
In addition to what OneWingedShark said, it has to be in such a way as to reasonably incite fear into someone, and I’m pretty sure someone noticing your gun in an IWB holster when the wind catches your shirt and freaking out would not be a good reason to freak out.
It’s only a possibility, not a probability.....that being said, why should I take any risk if I am 100% law-abiding?
I was going to say if it was possible to carry pistols(which I don’t really need) would you be able to carry swords?
It would make for some interesting days.
>Its only a possibility, not a probability.....that being said, why should I take any risk if I am 100% law-abiding?
Because some “laws” are invalid.
Such as the state statute [previously referenced] which prohibits firearms on campus; it is DIRECTLY contradicting the very first sentence of Art 2, Sec 6 of the State Constitution.
In other words, I should/could be able to open carry on campus as is; however there is a ‘law’ that prohibits it.
Much like our ‘tax laws’ they’re trying to make them impossible to either know or follow so that you are, in some way, guilty of something. That guilt is what gives them, as agents of the government, power over you; without guilt they have no power over you.
You have to realize that many people are apparently afraid of leather.
>You have to realize that many people are apparently afraid of leather.
LOL - Eat Mor Chik’n
I went to college in Louisiana and while there I showed a campus police officer the state code(I had the page number memorized at the time) that allowed students to keeps firearms in their dorm rooms. He said, “Don’t tell any one else, ok?” Other students could often see me carrying it to and from my dorm to my truck whenever I went to the local firing range. As an RA while living in the dorms I found many rooms with firearms, and refused to write anyone up when I saw them.
That’s a lot of the reason why I OC; concealed carry is a pain in the keister when it’s 100 degrees out.
I’m also amazed that more folks don’t OC by choice. I think a lot of it is the fear of “getting in trouble.” And that’s as damning an observation as you’ll ever see. OC is perfectly legal in VA and many other states. Yet people are so conditioned to obtain approval before they do anything that they don’t OC, even where it’s perfectly legal.
It’s about time people openly ignored rules and laws that invade personal freedom.
You forgot the part like where the cops at Columbine did all that cool “hut, hut, hut” stuff in their neat black ninja outfits and masks behind the pretty red fire truck — while the shooters were killing more kids and that teacher finally exsanguinated!
Ban guns on campus. Sure. That’ll stop the next psycho with a beef from shooting up the classrooms. Can’t violate campus policy, after all.
Always FAT cops going “hut hut hut” and following each other around with their hands on the guy in front’s shoulder.
Nicely done. Very encouraging.
RE PAs Constitution:
Section 25 says -
Reservation of Powers in People
To guard against the transgressions of the high powers which we have delegated, we declare that EVERYTHING IN THIS ARTICLE is excepted out of the general powers of government and shall forever remain inviolate.”
Of which Section 21 is part.
It’s pretty clear... and the Dems HATE It.
F**k ‘em. Carry anyway. It’s ONLY your life, after all...
That really surprises me.
Thanks for the ping.
Open carry makes an excellent political statement but a rather poor tactical one.
Which college was this?
That wasn’t the issue before the court. It was strictly a First Amendment issue.
University of LA at Monroe
Absolutely correct when it comes to rights that are granted us by God. The right to self-defense is intact no matter what court says it is not.