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ObamaCare Requires Micro Chipping of Americans?

Posted on 04/05/2010 2:25:16 PM PDT by TigerBait

Required RFID implanted chip Sec. 2521, Pg. 1000 – The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. What does a National Medical Device Registry mean?

National Medical Device Registry from H.R. 3200 [Healthcare Bill], pages 1001-1008:

(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that— ‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; ‘‘(B)and is— ‘‘(i) a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.”

Then on page 1004 it describes what the term “data” means in paragraph 1,

section B: ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to information respecting a device described in paragraph (1), including claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary”

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is an “implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.”

http://goldfuture.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/both-house-and-senate-health-bills-require-the-micro-chipping-of-americans-31810/

Backup article where Obama supporter questions this use:

http://current.com/news/90842279_coverage-under-obamacare-will-require-an-implantable-microchip.htm


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ajntsa; chip; obamacare; tinfoil
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1 posted on 04/05/2010 2:25:16 PM PDT by TigerBait
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To: TigerBait

The mark of the beast. Can not buy or sell goods without the mark of the beast upon forehead or hand.


2 posted on 04/05/2010 2:29:32 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: TigerBait

Totalitarian madness.


3 posted on 04/05/2010 2:29:48 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: TigerBait

Is that in Section 666?


4 posted on 04/05/2010 2:33:49 PM PDT by Argus
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To: TigerBait

think of it as telemetry equipment


5 posted on 04/05/2010 2:33:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: TigerBait

They WILL NEVER “Tatoo” ME!


6 posted on 04/05/2010 2:34:26 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: TigerBait

Break out the tin foil hats!

Apparently the goal is to have all of your personal medical information on a microchip in the event of an emergency.

If you want medical treatment you’ll be required to get one. Starting out with implanted devices.

What’s that in the Bible about the whole won’t be able to buy or sell thing??


7 posted on 04/05/2010 2:34:53 PM PDT by TigerBait
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To: TigerBait

Newbie - I’d advise you to double up the Reynolds Wrap on your tin foil hat.

That way the microchips wont transmit or receive.


8 posted on 04/05/2010 2:36:01 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: TigerBait
mark of the beast Pictures, Images and Photos
9 posted on 04/05/2010 2:36:53 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: broken_arrow1

REV 9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Odumbo and his cronies can kiss my lilly white ass if they think I’ll accept it.


10 posted on 04/05/2010 2:37:04 PM PDT by diverteach (D.C. has become Jonestown)
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To: TigerBait

Good my insulin pump falls under a class 1 medical device so type 2 and 3 must be things like artifical hips and other implanted devices?


11 posted on 04/05/2010 2:38:53 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: WellyP

Not the reason: I was introduced to an old Jewish man in 1982. One day he had his shirt sleaves rolled up. He say me staring at his Aschwitz tatoo.

He said, “You have never seen one have you?” he said, “Now you know “it” happened.

“Please promise me you will never get a tatoo of any kind.” I promised him and in his honor I will NEVER allow my self to be tatooed!


12 posted on 04/05/2010 2:39:31 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: broken_arrow1

Let’s see how this plays out. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Amen!


13 posted on 04/05/2010 2:40:44 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl

Every generation has thought the end was soon. But, man, this stuff really is matching perfectly with Revelations. Who would have thought just a generation ago that the time would come when we would actually have to have a number to buy or sell.


14 posted on 04/05/2010 2:44:56 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Founding Fathers.....grave....rolling over.)
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To: TigerBait

And they called Alex Jones crazy.


15 posted on 04/05/2010 2:45:03 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Cool heads prevail)
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To: TigerBait
Umm, doesn't sound too sinister to me.

Current implantable devices, pacemakers, artificial hearts, etc., store data on their operation.

Not to say this couldn't be abused later, but by itself, this is nothing to get the willies over.

16 posted on 04/05/2010 2:50:08 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: broken_arrow1

the mark of the beast upon forehead or hand.<<<

It is my understanding that the scripture actually says the mark will be “in” the forehead or hand


17 posted on 04/05/2010 2:50:36 PM PDT by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: WellyP
"They WILL NEVER “Tatoo” ME!"

Obama Nape Bar Code

18 posted on 04/05/2010 2:50:55 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: TigerBait
H.R. 3200 was the houses bill and that is not the one that passed. You need to find out if that is in the passed bill.

HEALTH CARE BILL PASSED BY BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE H.R. 3590

19 posted on 04/05/2010 2:51:18 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: TigerBait

FDA medical device classes are described here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_device
Class II=wheelchairs etc. (generally not implantable)
Class III=heart valves, breast implants

The medical registry simply is a centralized repository so that the government knows who has what devices and what has happened to them healthwise. The idea is to improve patient safety since without a good denominator, it is hard to come up with objective estimates of the risks associated with devices and whether these vary with observable patient characteristics (age, gender, race, level of disease). In theory, this is useful information to know.

Will the government abuse this collection of patient outcome information? Who knows? What is clear is that this provision has nothing to do with mandating that everyone have a microchip implanted. It’s simply saying that IF you use certain classes of medical devices, you must be included in a national registry to track and report these outcomes.

The point isn’t to publicize that “Patient X” died from a device, but instead to be able to say things such as “Mortality risk for male patients age 55-64 is 1 in 10,000; for female patients in that age, it is 1 in 20,000” etc. In theory this is information you and your doctor would want to have when deciding about whether to use a Brand X medical device. And properly used, the information should not compromise patient privacy.


20 posted on 04/05/2010 2:58:15 PM PDT by DrC
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To: Terry Mross

Many believe Israel is the fig tree: Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: Mark 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, [even] at the doors. Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. the nation of Israel is 62 years old, and that’s a generation.


21 posted on 04/05/2010 3:01:14 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: TigerBait

I think you are just reading from the section applicable to registered republicans.


22 posted on 04/05/2010 3:06:19 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Terry Mross

Um... the book you refer to is “The REVELATION” of jesus Christ, not “Revelations”.


23 posted on 04/05/2010 3:08:50 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: TigerBait

One more time. /sigh
Semiconductors are filed with toxic metals so you could never get approval for them to be placed inside a human.

Second, you’d have to do surgery on someone everytime you needed to replace the batteries.


24 posted on 04/05/2010 3:12:18 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: TChris
Oh yeah, no biggie.

....And soon, right after health care probes get inserted, we'll have sattellite traffic control accounts in order to drive cars. Driving infractions will be detected by land based sensors and fines deducted automatically by sattelite communication from your account

and a bio-probe inserted in your body will administer penal justice in the form of Tax Shock Therapy as deemed fit by the Traffic Ministry

no biggie, its just change

25 posted on 04/05/2010 3:22:20 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: beethovenfan

The book I refer to is the last book of the Bible.


26 posted on 04/05/2010 3:27:02 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Founding Fathers.....grave....rolling over.)
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To: TigerBait

Hey obambi you know where you can put that chip?


27 posted on 04/05/2010 3:28:24 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Regime Change, 2010!)
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To: Zathras

My tooth fillings contain amalgam...an alloy of Mercury.

RFID devices don’t have/need batteries. They convert RF energy transmitted to them into operating energy.


28 posted on 04/05/2010 3:32:57 PM PDT by mreerm
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To: TChris

Unless you are a dog:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/chipped-pets-develop-fast-growing-lethal-tumors.html


29 posted on 04/05/2010 3:33:34 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (If you could read my mind ... just count up the felonies!)
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To: TigerBait; All

“(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that— ‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; ‘‘(B)and is— ‘‘(i) a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.” “

Call me crazy, but this seems like they want a database on implantable HEALTH DEVICES. Like pacemakers or something.

I think this is getting a tad hysterical.


30 posted on 04/05/2010 3:33:50 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Zathras
Semiconductors are filed with toxic metals so you could never get approval for them to be placed inside a human.

Existing implantable devices are encapsulated. Semiconductors are rarely exposed anyway, they are too fragile. The amount of toxic metals in semiconductors can be counted in atoms; most of chips are silicon and aluminum.

you’d have to do surgery on someone everytime you needed to replace the batteries.

Most chips don't need power, they can be RFID. The rest can use a rechargeable battery and inductive (wireless) charger, just like most toothbrushes do today. If the chip is supercap-based it will last forever.

This, however, does not make tagging people any more safe or moral.

31 posted on 04/05/2010 3:37:04 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: TigerBait
It will also be used to tell the gubmint where you are. Mark my words.
32 posted on 04/05/2010 3:37:07 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: TigerBait; Slings and Arrows; maggief; martin_fierro; Spotsy; Smartass; Happy2BMe; Allegra; ...



33 posted on 04/05/2010 3:39:48 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: nickcarraway

34 posted on 04/05/2010 3:50:20 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Spunky

H.R. 3200 is July 2009 But it is in the one from march 17 2010 reconciliation bill. http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/111_hr4872_reported.pdf


35 posted on 04/05/2010 4:13:21 PM PDT by roving
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To: Terry Mross

And that is the correct title of the last book of the Bible. Check it out.


36 posted on 04/05/2010 4:39:57 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: roving
wow, its really coming all together now.

hold on folks, you aint seen nothin' yet!

37 posted on 04/05/2010 4:48:06 PM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: Spunky

The language is in the enjoined bill (HR 4872) that was sent to Obama for signature (Public Law 111-152). It’s on page 1014, Line 8 and page 1017, Line 3. The final bill is not yet posted online. Thomas refers you to the enjoined bill.


38 posted on 04/05/2010 4:49:47 PM PDT by jgilbert63
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I am confused there seems to be 3 different bills is the one with all the text?


39 posted on 04/05/2010 5:16:03 PM PDT by funfan
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To: jgilbert63; roving
Ok I have read it. Basically what it is saying is there will be a registry for recording devices that have been used or will be used by patients.

Class III device
Class II device that is implantable, life supporting, or life sustaining.

Such as heart valves, defibulators, etc. Also records of prescriptions and other records.

It does not mean they are going to implant a chip in us.

40 posted on 04/05/2010 5:30:23 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: TigerBait

Where is the link to this story?


41 posted on 04/05/2010 5:50:26 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Lady Jag

Thanks for the ping.


42 posted on 04/05/2010 7:34:57 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: DrC

Thanks for one of the few rational comments on the thread.


43 posted on 04/05/2010 7:36:05 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Lady Jag; devolve

Hmmmmmm, I think you’re just hiding a baked potato in that foil!!

Yep, I recall those who thought they were implanting chips in the swine flu shots.


44 posted on 04/05/2010 7:49:42 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: KTM rider

My dog has an RFID implant. I’d never thought of it before, but before he got that thing he couldn’t buy or sell a darned thing.


45 posted on 04/05/2010 7:57:35 PM PDT by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: potlatch





CHIPS AHOY!






46 posted on 04/05/2010 7:58:56 PM PDT by devolve
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To: devolve

Lol, chocolate ones would just melt.
I have a great animated bar-code, should put it on Obama.


47 posted on 04/05/2010 8:02:29 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: potlatch

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OREOS?


48 posted on 04/05/2010 8:16:29 PM PDT by devolve
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To: devolve

Would YOU like to have an Oreo implanted on your forhead?
Chocolate or vanilla?? White chocolate or milk chocolate?
lol


49 posted on 04/05/2010 8:20:09 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: potlatch

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Did Obama check off “OREO” on his Census forms?


50 posted on 04/05/2010 9:22:03 PM PDT by devolve
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