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No Denying Duke (Duke Wins National Championship)
espn ^ | April 5, 2010

Posted on 04/05/2010 8:45:08 PM PDT by Red Steel

Butler took Duke to the final possession Monday night, but Gordon Hayward's potential game-winners drew iron as the Blue Devil won the national title 61-59.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: butler; collegebasketball; duke; dukeu; marchmadness; ncaa
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To: Red Steel

Butler reached in, armed slapped, body slammed....hell they tackled Zoubeck at the end of the game and the refs said the ball went off his knee out of bounds.

It was a joke. Duke by 20 or more points if the refs were doing their job. Most disgusting officiating I’ve seen in some time.


51 posted on 04/05/2010 9:07:37 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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To: dr_lew

“Are you referring to the travelling call on Scheyer, when he and Howard went down?”

That was Singler.


52 posted on 04/05/2010 9:08:46 PM PDT by Batman11 (Sarah Palin: "Illegal immigrants are called illegal for a reason!")
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To: Red Steel

One Shining Moment SUCKED!


53 posted on 04/05/2010 9:08:50 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: dr_lew

I thought that should have been a foul on Butler because Scheyer would not have traveled if the Butler player had not fouled him.


54 posted on 04/05/2010 9:08:59 PM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30:19: "..I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore chose life..")
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To: GoDuke

And Duke walked all night.


55 posted on 04/05/2010 9:09:18 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Red Steel

Definitely one of the greatest shots of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAdgxyC1ehA


56 posted on 04/05/2010 9:09:35 PM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: Red Steel

My hats off to the Butler basketball program and its coach Brad Stevens. These were two evenly matched teams that I cannot honestly say one was better than the other.

Unbelievable game tonight!!


57 posted on 04/05/2010 9:09:47 PM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: GoDuke

Did you see when Scheyer took the 3 and was blatantly fouled...no call.


58 posted on 04/05/2010 9:09:57 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: GoDuke
Refs 1 Butler 0 Duck -1
59 posted on 04/05/2010 9:10:43 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: CJacobs

You got that right. At the very end, Zouback practically threw down the Butler guy. Clearly a foul. Butler got the ball, but the should have been shooting free throws.


60 posted on 04/05/2010 9:11:34 PM PDT by WesG (Without geometry, life is pointless.....)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

“Would Hayward’s shot been “The Greatest Shot of All Time”?”

Absolutely!


61 posted on 04/05/2010 9:11:38 PM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: jennyjenny

All the way to the National Championship!!! Losers cry about the refs. I know Butler (a Great Team!) won’t cry!


62 posted on 04/05/2010 9:11:49 PM PDT by GoDuke
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To: Electric Graffiti

Agreed.


63 posted on 04/05/2010 9:12:02 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Agreed.


64 posted on 04/05/2010 9:12:03 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: dr_lew

No...towards the end when the ball went out of bounds, it was rewarded to Butler but Zoobek push Howard down, it should have been two shot to Butler.


65 posted on 04/05/2010 9:13:25 PM PDT by Bigtigermike (Loose lips sink ships, stay away RINO's)
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To: GoDuke

Oh brother.


66 posted on 04/05/2010 9:13:49 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: GoDuke

“The put back by Butler in the 1st half he had his elbow on Nolan Smith’s back going up. No call. Lance Thomas got pushed out of bounds on a Butler rebound in the 1st. No call. Doesn’t matter cause my Blue Devils are National Champs and that’s all that matters!”

Yup, if you go back and watch the game again, I watched the 1st half again already, you will see Hayward get away with at least 3 or 4 fouls that were not called.


67 posted on 04/05/2010 9:13:59 PM PDT by Batman11 (Sarah Palin: "Illegal immigrants are called illegal for a reason!")
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To: rangerwife

Duke was blatantly fouled all night long. Butler would have never been in the game if the refs didn’t have money on Butler.

Most of the refs should be fired and put on probabtion officiating women’s high school ball.


68 posted on 04/05/2010 9:14:42 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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To: aSeattleConservative

Here’s another, a bout a minute into the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg3Me36DloA&feature=PlayList&p=D0568900DF2BDA39&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=6

Dr. J’s scoop shot against the Lakers - - Amazing.


69 posted on 04/05/2010 9:15:43 PM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Oh, stop whining about the refs. You guys sound like a bunch of Nebraska football fans.

(donning asbestos)


70 posted on 04/05/2010 9:17:53 PM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics)
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To: Jazz1968

“We see it different.
Tonight was the first game in which Butlers opponent actually got some calls.

I wish Michigan State was given those calls. Easy for Butler to control tempo when on their defensive end they NEVER get called for hacking and reach in fouls, while on the other end they get those calls.

Note to media: Butler was a 5 seed not a 16 seed, so quit with the “David and Goliath” nonsense.

The medias coverage and bias of Butler reminded me of how they cover Obama.”

Maybe the real story was student-athletes being successful in the classroom and on the court versus street thugs that largely made up the teams Butler beat in this tournament.

Michigan State has experience losing to Horizon League teams. Didn’t they lose to Wright State the year they won their last national championship in 2000?


71 posted on 04/05/2010 9:17:56 PM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: Bigtigermike

Bullsh!t....watch the replay. He had 3 Butler guys tackle him. One over the back. One pulled his knee and the other pushing him in the chest. He ended up on his arse.

Refs call: Ball went out of bounds off Zoubek’s knee.


72 posted on 04/05/2010 9:18:46 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Howard set a vicious blind side screen on Singler as Hayward ran past him to take the last shot. Howard helped Duke a lot in this game. They were better off with him in the game. Butler is a great team, but Howard stinks. He hurt his team more than he helped them. Hayward is a tremendous player and will only get better.


73 posted on 04/05/2010 9:19:23 PM PDT by Batman11 (Sarah Palin: "Illegal immigrants are called illegal for a reason!")
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To: CJacobs

What a load a B.S.! Sore loser!


74 posted on 04/05/2010 9:25:37 PM PDT by nfldgirl (Tim Tebow=our real life (Francine Rivers' Redeeming Love...) Michael!)
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To: J Edgar
J Edgar - don’t believe everything you read. They did not get every questionable call. Both played well, but Duke did play better.
75 posted on 04/05/2010 9:28:12 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: J Edgar

Not to worry. It’s not true! What a load of crap! Just another sore loser! Duke played a great game; so did Butler. KUDOS to both teams...fortunately for this one, Duke came away the victors. Nobody cheated...no bad calls; just a great ball game all the way ‘round...good referees, great coaching, and awesome playing by both teams. Butler did not lose the game...it’s just that in the end, Duke was the team with the lead.


76 posted on 04/05/2010 9:28:23 PM PDT by nfldgirl (Tim Tebow=our real life (Francine Rivers' Redeeming Love...) Michael!)
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To: Electric Graffiti
I agree with you on the officiating.

I've watched Kyle Singler since he was playing AAU ball and fell in love with his game. All the best to him. I hope he comes back for his senior year but I suspect he's gone. He is one heck of a basketball player.

Congrats to both teams tonight. A great, great game.

77 posted on 04/05/2010 9:29:52 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: CJacobs

Bump to that, as expected.


78 posted on 04/05/2010 9:31:13 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: Mean Maryjean

I have nothing invested in this game (no bets, and no special team interest). Just a fan of March Madness.


79 posted on 04/05/2010 9:31:46 PM PDT by CJacobs (From the Ozark / Clarksville area)
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To: lt.america

“Michigan State’s problem was that they had one ball handler”

Not to mention they (MSU) were playing at about 75% with all their injuries.

I love physical ball and I have watched it again and there is no way they called a even game.
Having said that MSU beat themselves. If they had just made free throws, Butler would have been sitting home tonight.
MSU probably played their worse game of the year Saturday.

I think there are too many fouls called in basketball to begin with.
Let em play I say, but call it both ends.

“not to mention on every offensive position he dropped his shoulder and plowed into the lane”
Just a bit of an exaggeration.

By the way Butlers Hayward is a true gamer.
Good kid.


80 posted on 04/05/2010 9:33:27 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: jennyjenny

See post 43.


81 posted on 04/05/2010 9:34:09 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: GoDuke

Congratulations! A class coach, team and program.


82 posted on 04/05/2010 9:34:28 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: neodad

“One Shining Moment SUCKED!”

1000000% AGREE!!!!


83 posted on 04/05/2010 9:35:09 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: CJacobs

Me too! Was a great game...glad Duke won though (have been fans for 20 years-no alum; just fans thanks to our son); sorry that Butler couldn’t win too! They deserve all the KUDOS coming their way.


84 posted on 04/05/2010 9:37:29 PM PDT by nfldgirl (Tim Tebow=our real life (Francine Rivers' Redeeming Love...) Michael!)
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To: Comparative Advantage

“Michigan State has experience losing to Horizon League teams. Didn’t they lose to Wright State the year they won their last national championship in 2000?”

Yep.
Now that is a motivator.

Don’t get me wrong, Butler is a good team with good kids who play hard. Still, no matter the STORY the media loves I don’t believe in officiating welfare to further that story.

This is how the media works.
#seed5 Butler beats #5 seed MSU and it is a great upset.
Not really, they are both 5 seeds with MSU playing damn near practice players and Freshmen to cover their hobbled starters and their top player out with surgery days before.
The media missed that.


85 posted on 04/05/2010 9:43:04 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: Jazz1968
My favorite Final Four song was "One More Night".

Haywood missed a couple of chippies around the basket early that set the tone. Zoo couldn't match his foot speed, but Butler failed to capitalize on the mismatch. Too physical right from the get go for me. Refs failed to get control of the game early. Lots of off ball crap.

86 posted on 04/05/2010 9:45:55 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Obie Wan Nairobi from the 1/2 dark side. The farce is strong with this one, it is...)
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To: Jazz1968

ONE SHINING MOMENT SUCKED??

you betcha!!

I’m sure Butler team and fans are dissapointed now, BUT guess what?
Pretty much the ENTIRE starting lineup is back next year. Howard, Hayward, Norrie, VanZandt.....can this happen again? YEP!

This time ain’t no one will be suprised!


87 posted on 04/05/2010 9:58:01 PM PDT by cleveland gop (IT'S MASTERS WEEK BABY!!!!)
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To: Red Steel

After the Duke Lacrosse team fiasco, I’m probably a Duke fan for life.


88 posted on 04/05/2010 10:00:53 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: Batman11

from CNNSI: “when Lance Thomas took down Hayward hard to prevent an easy layup with 5:07 left. The refs reviewed the play and decided not to call it flagrant”

Dude, if you look up “flagrant foul” in the dictionary, they could use that play as an example. Butler shoulda had 2 FTs and got the ball back.


89 posted on 04/05/2010 10:05:43 PM PDT by WesG (Without geometry, life is pointless.....)
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To: TheThinker
OMG, it just dawned on me. My BIL is a Duke undergrad and a Bama law school grad. This Thanksgiving is going to be brutal.
90 posted on 04/05/2010 10:07:06 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Obie Wan Nairobi from the 1/2 dark side. The farce is strong with this one, it is...)
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To: Mean Maryjean

Beg to differ with you. Here’s from CNNSI: “when Lance Thomas took down Hayward hard to prevent an easy layup with 5:07 left. The refs reviewed the play and decided not to call it flagrant”

First, if you look up “flagrant foul” in the dictionary, they could use that play as an example. Butler shoulda had 2 FTs and got the ball back.

Second: Butler shoulda been shooting free throws at the end there when the big guy, Zoubek, stiff-armed the Butler guy to the floor in the last minute. Butler did get the ball back, but they shoulda been shooting free throws. Coulda tied the game.


91 posted on 04/05/2010 10:14:05 PM PDT by WesG (Without geometry, life is pointless.....)
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To: SeaHawkFan

The only sport I will root for Duke is la crosse.


92 posted on 04/05/2010 10:43:22 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Who is this uncircumcised, to oppose the armies of The Living God?)
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To: Red Steel

Breaks my heart for Butler.


93 posted on 04/05/2010 10:46:19 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Watch it again. Zoubeck threw Howard to the ground with his left arm. That was his 5th foul. They would have gone to OT.


94 posted on 04/05/2010 10:46:30 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Who is this uncircumcised, to oppose the armies of The Living God?)
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To: GoDuke
It was a magnificent game. Both teams played very well. To say the refs favored Duke is a joke! Scheyer was manhandled while shooting 3’s and no call just to name one case. I think the refs wanted to let them play- which is Ok as long as it's balanced. Sometimes it's hard to tell if a player got all ball or fouled. There were some of both. I am a Duke fan. My son is ‘09.

Honestly I would think you guys would be more positive- Coach K keeps kids for 4 years, has one of the highest graduation rates in the country- builds young men not just basketball players- it's what we are all about here! Honor. Respect. Integrity.
I should go buy a lottery ticket... my daughter is a sophomore at UNC and we were on Franklin St last year with the kids! My son, however, endured losing in the early rounds the entire time he was there (’05-09).
I say: Go Duke! Go Coach K! Well done!

95 posted on 04/05/2010 10:56:59 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Electric Graffiti

thank you!


96 posted on 04/05/2010 10:57:24 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: TheThinker
After the Duke Lacrosse team fiasco, I’m probably a Duke fan for life.

I have been a fan of Coach K since he coached at Army. His halftime speech to the Duke team when they were playing Navy during the 1986 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament was one for the ages AND showed a lot of class.

Having said that, until President Brodhead and the Gang of 88 are unemployed and unemployable, I'd rather have a sister working in a house of ill repute than support ANYTHING from Duke.

97 posted on 04/05/2010 11:00:35 PM PDT by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (We are the dangerous ones, who stand between all we love and a more dangerous world.)
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To: Jazz1968

Freakin “One Shining Moment” was Jennifer Hudson singing. What the heck?! It was supposed to be about BASKETBALL!!


98 posted on 04/05/2010 11:00:57 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Natty Bumppo@frontier.net
I’ve said this 100 times but the Duke student body was with the LAX players from the beginning. It was the FACULTY that is so leftist as to believe that crazy stripper.

There is a BIG difference between the students and the faculty (probably true at most schools!). My son was a student at the time and he was most decidedly supportive of the LAX players. The students saw through the BS right away.

99 posted on 04/05/2010 11:06:03 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Red Steel

Big deal. The NBA’s newest collection of thugs.


100 posted on 04/05/2010 11:06:59 PM PDT by onedoug
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