Skip to comments.US navy plans to ban smoking in submarines: report
Posted on 04/05/2010 10:11:40 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
The top US naval officer has vowed to stop people lighting up in submarines, where the confined atmosphere has serious passive smoking implications, a report said Monday.
"We are going to stop smoking on submarines," Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Gary Roughead told a recent meeting of senior submariners, according to the Navy Times magazine.
Navy spokesman Lieutenant Commander Mark Jones confirmed a ban could be in the pipeline, telling AFP: "We are currently looking at changing the policy, but we have not changed the policy."
At present, smoking on US submarines is up to the commanding officer's discretion and there are designated areas on many vessels where the crew are allowed to smoke.
"That atmosphere moves around the submarine. You don't smell it but the damaging things from the smoke are still present," Roughead was quoted as saying by the Navy Times.
A Pentagon study last year carried out by the American Institute of Medicine revealed that soldiers smoke a lot more on average than civilians and that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had seen a spike in smoking.
The last official figures for the US military, in 2005, showed that almost one third of personnel in the armed forces, 32 percent, smoke as opposed to just one in five of the American population as a whole.
Jones said up to 40 percent of US submariners smoke, making it all the more important to look into a ban for the overall health of American sailors
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That would suck. Life is hard enough on a boat.
I agree with you.
Time to switch to the chewing or snuff type of tobacco.
In my opinion, it’s a good idea because it greatly minimizes the risk of starting a fire aboard a sub, and a fire aboard a sub is reacted to instantly.
Life is a lot harder when you have to endure someone else’s slimy, tarry, nicotine-laden stench at close range in a closed environment.
Well if they want to smoke, they could go outside to light up! /s
Would very much suck, but I can understand this one really. But what happens if the whole crew are smokers?
I wasn’t aware that was even allowed unless the sub is on the surface. They don’t need anything burning aboard a submerged sub.
The new “vaporizer” e-cigarettes sound like an alternative for those who absolutely insist on the weed.
I honestly didn’t know they allowed smoking on subs in the first place.
Gays yes, smokes no?
Oh, I’m not to “ask.”
Banning smoking while inviting queers and women to subs. They must be Quakers of the Susan Anthony kind. Tie ‘em to the carttail, whip ‘em, and send ‘em back to where they came from. ;-)
They actually needed a study for that.
No one has to smell it. I use Skoal long cut straight. But if they are stuck under water for long periods of time protecting us they should be allowed some vices.
They quit deep, long and continuosly.
Actually, it raises it. When navy ships in the past have tried to ban (or severly restrict) smoking, sailors would flout the rules and light up in unauthorized compartments. A recent multi-million dollar fire aboard USS George Washington (CVN-73) was caused by smoking in an unauthorized space (though there was no smoking ban on the ship at the time).
It's better to have a safe smoking area than have sailors sneaking away to smoke in unsafe areas.
My wife and I go to Vegas every once in a while. Cigarette smoking in the hotels and casinos is allowed, and very noticeable. The smell of stale cigarette smoke seems to be everywhere, including our hair and clothes after a while - just plain nauseating. I can only imagine how bad it must be in a submarine.
Well with queers or women on a sub something will be smoked.
I find amusing that the motive is second hand smoke and not, like, that setting fires on a borderline deathtrap could make it less borderline-ish.
There are things in the air of a sub that are much more dangerous than a second hand smoke.
This is a farce.
While they’re at it they should keep troops away from the smell of gunpowder. It gums up weapons, stinks like sulpher and studies have shown that secondhand gunpowder smoke can kill.
Next will be banning all the World War I, World War II, and Korean War movies.
Captain: No smoking sailor! Oh, never mind, you can “smoke” the 8 inchers aboard my ship......Carry on!
I guess you haven’t seen any of the classic WWII movies with Clark Gable, Burt Lancaster, John Wayne, Kirk Douglass, Cary Grant, Edmond O’Brien...
Just give ‘em “The Green Berets” down there, and cut out the smokes.
I am sure our Navy subs have air cleaning equipment on board. The sub is a closed environment. The food being cooked in the galley would circulate through the sub if it were not treated by air cleaning equipment.
We had a air cleaner in our sonar transmitting space. I did not know it, but the guys in my division would sneak into that area and smoke pot. With that air cleaner on, all odor was gone.
I roll right past Las Vegas for that very reason. I have no interest in gambling, so why voluntarily enter the smelly premises?
The only time I've spent on a sub was for the purpose of repairing a Motorola SatNav on a research boat. It was a diesel boat. The smell of diesel was in my hair and clothes following the visit. I did get an invite for lunch. The quality of the food certainly matches the claims. Very good! I got a quick tour as well. The stainless steel peanut butter pump was installed to move the sewage around. Cooling was provided by using Peltier devices bonded with the hot side against the hull. An air plenum was routed over the cold side. The guy conducting the tour said that freon coolants aren't permitted on subs because the freon turns into phosgene gas (neurotoxin) in a fire.
On the way back to the shop, my radiator hose blew. It was a memorable morning.
E-cigarettes will solve this problem.
Oh, for crying out freakin' loud.
More nanny-statism. I never thought I’d see it in the armed forces, though. Sad.
If someone’s in the armed forces and can’t handle a little second hand smoke, they need to get the hell OUT. We don’t need pu**y’s fighting for us.
Because it is legal and Sailors want to do it. As long as they are away from flammables, it was allowed. Of course, it is past time for complainers to create enough adversity to cause change. Such is the life of smokers. 20% of the population bears the brunt of the smoker guardians.
Yes, most have even begun to believe the idiocy of the anti smoker groups - ie second hand smoke, geez. If all of their stupidity was actually true, the dead would litter the bars and restaurants that allowed smoking. Even if you considered smoking causing a loss of life years, you should be promoting it to decrease the requirements of Social Security. Think of the benefits of all those that die so early! Just where are your ideals anyway?
What a joke! Second hand smoke - do you really believe all that crap?
Well, they’re sticking women on subs now, can anyone guess what these sailor’s new hobby will be???
Won’t be smoking - at least not until after...
Um, no sir, I don’t, i just chuckle at it.
Heh... glad that you can get a laugh out of it. Unfortunately, to smokers it has been a nightmare, but what the hey, they are in the minority, so no harm, no foul...
“Tie em to the carttail,”
Now WTF does that mean?
It’s what Protestant (Puritan, Huguenot, and the like) colonists did with morally loose and wandering Quaker women, when they got into trouble outside of their own communities. They tied them to the “carttail” (back of a wagon), whipped them, and sent them out of town. Those colonies were rather rough on crimes against families. For another example, they executed sodomites by hanging.
LOL That was exactly my first thought. All the old movies with the guys lighting up.And I always think when I see it that this was back when it wasnt evil to show smoking on screen.
Little history there, and I was half joking. There’s actually one contemporary Quaker sect that is more morally conservative than the original if not more so than many other American religious groups.
Oddly enough, many Americans confuse most Quakers (the libertine kind) for Amish or Mormon folks. [Must be the old fashioned hat on the oatmeal box.]
The clothes dryer is the greatest risk of fire on a submarine. Cigarettes are a good indicator that the oxygen level is OK.
They can go outside when they smoke, like everyone else.
In other news: Hussein bans submarines as unfair.
“Gays yes, smokes no?”
Gays yes, broads yes, afterglow smokes no.