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Samantha Kuberski, Six Years Old, Youngest Suicide Victim in Oregon State History
Seattle Weekly ^ | 4/05/10 | Caleb Hannan

Posted on 04/06/2010 3:43:44 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Six-year-old Samantha Kuberski was a happy kid who did well at school. Which is why tragedy was compounded by shock back in January, when medical examiners in Yamhill County, south of Portland, declared Samantha's death a suicide, making her the youngest person to take her own life in Oregon's history.

On December 2, the first-grader was allegedly sent to her room after getting in a fight with her mom. While her mother and three sisters were in other parts of their McMinnville house, Samatha reportedly crawled into an unused crib that had no mattress or box spring, tied a cordurouy belt around her neck and onto the crib's top railing and hung herself.

Samantha was found unconscious and rushed to a hospital where she was pronounced dead. Her parents and siblings were later interviewed by police, who ruled out any foul play and said they found no signs that the young girl had ever been abused.

Now the only thing left to parse is what to call Samantha's tragic death. While the medical examiner has ruled it a suicide, detectives insist on calling it an accident, saying that a child that small could have no idea of the consequences of her actions, an argument backed up by adolescent psychiatrists like Dr. Kirk Wolfe.

"Most kids this age are not aware of what death actually is," he told the Yamhill Valley News-Register. "Not until they get to be 8, 9 and 10 do they understand death is final and you don't come back."


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To: Gay State Conservative

Losing friends or relatives at an early age.


51 posted on 04/06/2010 5:14:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Gay State Conservative

She’s just a very unique person— and I assure you I am not saying that out of some sense of misguided pride. She’s been interested in the concept of death since she was about 4. She’s interested in diseases, mummification, mythology and the afterlife. BUT— she’s also interested in animals, Pokemon, toys and video games. So there’s some balance there!


52 posted on 04/06/2010 5:17:29 PM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
....still not buying it.A six year old wouldn't have the faintest idea what they were watching and,thus,would learn nothing from having watched it.

I'm not so sure. Maybe she did not realize the result, but kids emulate what they see often, and often without understanding it. Ours were all putting their movies into the VCR at two, and initially picked up certain emphatic phrases without knowing their meaning (which they had to be untaught--my bad). Little 'pitchers' have big ears, and all that.

I would not be quick to discard other possibilites, either, but children absorb an incredible amount, even if they don't completely understand the far-reaching consequences of their actions.

53 posted on 04/06/2010 5:17:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: LibWhacker
"Most kids this age are not aware of what death actually is," he told the Yamhill Valley News-Register. "Not until they get to be 8, 9 and 10 do they understand death is final and you don't come back."

I was aware of it as early as two. I also knew right from wrong at an early age. Anyone else?

54 posted on 04/06/2010 5:23:39 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Julia H.
I had a pretty good concept of death when I was three.

Quite frankly, I find that hard to believe .

Most people don't even remember anything except for a few small memories from their very early years.

Maybe you were an exceptional child ?

55 posted on 04/06/2010 5:25:39 PM PDT by Popman (Balsa wood: Obama Presidential timber)
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To: Flavius
Not to impose, Why? I have had some really serious shit happen in my life but at the lowest point, I mean all the you have hoped for destroyed, I never thought of that. What brought you back?<.
56 posted on 04/06/2010 5:28:41 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: LibWhacker

Kids that age don;t commit suicide

Mom & Dad need some more questioning.


57 posted on 04/06/2010 5:30:22 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Twenty years ago, an 8 year old in our community, hanged himself with a belt after seeing the movie Nobody's Useless in the classroom the day before. The family sued the school. In the process, it came to light that two years before, another boy had attempted to hang himself after watching the same movie at that school. His mother went to the school to warn them about what had happened, but they didn't think there could be a causal relationship. I am not familiar with the book, but apparently it was a copy cat issue.
58 posted on 04/06/2010 5:48:15 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: stayathomemom

In the movie the suicide attempts didn’t succeed, so kids may have deemed it a suitable gesture to elicit sympathy not thinking it might actually kill.


59 posted on 04/06/2010 5:56:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: agooga
"...My daughter is 7 and is sometimes morbidly obsessed with death..."

The youngest of the Addams family would say, "Just wait".

60 posted on 04/06/2010 6:38:25 PM PDT by Does so (ObamaCare...I pay for medical-marijuana claims by millions of Americans? 'Guess I do.)
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To: kabar

I’d like to think that, even in Oregon, the cops are smart enough to rule out murder before deciding a six-year-old committed suicide.


61 posted on 04/06/2010 7:51:31 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Soothesayer
The only lesson to learn from this story is that life is a horrible curse and nobody should exist in the first place.

Since the state has assisted suicide, maybe the little girl was just trying to beat the rush.

62 posted on 04/06/2010 7:54:05 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: LibWhacker

So sad.


63 posted on 04/06/2010 7:54:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LibWhacker; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
Oregon Ping

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64 posted on 04/06/2010 7:56:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LibWhacker

She must have heard about the confiscatory tax rate and 0care in her future!


65 posted on 04/06/2010 7:56:14 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: agooga

Maybe she will grow up to be a mortician.

It’s a recession-proof job!


66 posted on 04/06/2010 7:59:09 PM PDT by Palladin (Regroup, Resist, Reload, Repeat!)
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To: Palladin

“Maybe she will grow up to be a mortician.”

HaHa! Now that’s something I hadn’t thought of! Perhaps!


67 posted on 04/06/2010 8:32:02 PM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: OrangeHoof

I remember the JonBenet Ramsey case. Assuming police competence is a big assumption.


68 posted on 04/06/2010 8:59:46 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Moonman62
"Most kids this age are not aware of what death actually is," he told the Yamhill Valley News-Register. "Not until they get to be 8, 9 and 10 do they understand death is final and you don't come back." "I was aware of it as early as two. I also knew right from wrong at an early age. Anyone else?" _______________________________________________ Count me in. I recall vividly being at the funeral of my great grandmother, a small church, freezing cold and seeing her dead body lying there which scared me and I started crying and throwing a fit. My mom told me to be quiet or "you will end up like that, too". I ran out of the church and sat freezing alone in the car. I was about 3 or so.
69 posted on 04/06/2010 9:09:03 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: JouleZ

Ooopsy. Should have previewed. Sorry for this mess.


70 posted on 04/06/2010 9:13:20 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: pissant; SatinDoll
That has to be the case. No truly loved child entertains suicide at that age.

Agreed.

I'm not hearing any mention of a father. Was there a father at home?

71 posted on 04/06/2010 9:28:17 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Flavius

I remember things back to the age of 3yrs old.

When I was 4yrs old I wondered all summer if I was going to die before my first day of Kindergarden.

I dont doubt this 6yr old knew of suicide just perhaps not all the final consequences of it.

Is it me? or is the MSM reporting suicides the last year like Chett99 and the Pit Bull threads.

(btw I like Chett99s threads)


72 posted on 04/06/2010 10:30:21 PM PDT by Global2010 (We have De Humanized our Society because we have De Christianize our society. Fr.Corapi)
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To: kabar

Point taken. But even the idiot Boulder cops never suggested JonBenet committed suicide (although I suppose they could have given the death scene). No, they disagreed on who did the murder, not that a murder took place.


73 posted on 04/06/2010 11:30:26 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Moonman62

I was a precocious reader and learned at age 5 that the stars were only going to last so many billions of years. This unlikely epiphany put me in mind to my own inevitable mortality. My mother, a non religious person, mocked it.


74 posted on 04/06/2010 11:43:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Soothesayer

Tell me you’re joking....please


75 posted on 04/07/2010 7:03:04 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia(CharlesSchulz))
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To: Shimmer1

Joking about the death of a 6 year old would be worse. No, I’m not joking. I believe that life is a chemical disaster.


76 posted on 04/07/2010 12:33:40 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer

Life is cruel these days but its not the result of a chemical disaster. God created life good without pain and tragedy. However, pain and death entered the World as the result of man’s sin. Thats why Christ had to die on the cross to pay the penalty for our sin. One day the Lord will return and death and pain will be abolished forever.


77 posted on 04/10/2010 11:28:37 AM PDT by dschapin
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To: dschapin

Until that day comes he can expect no thanks from me.


78 posted on 04/10/2010 12:16:57 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: LibWhacker; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
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79 posted on 04/13/2010 9:47:06 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Hey, Oregon is the suicide state. We are sending a message that “it’s just another option” with our assissted suicide law. Well if it is an option for one group (cancer survivors, old people) who are we to say it can’t be an option for others.

Ideas have consequences. Laws DO set the moral tone of the society.

I do not mean to in anyway suggest that this was OK. I can’t imagine the anguish the parents feel. But I do believe that it is a symptom of the larger devaluation of existence.

By the time I was six I had been told that God loved me and had plans for me many, many times. Had this girl been told that? Somehow, I doubt it.


80 posted on 04/14/2010 10:32:00 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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