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Confirmed: Obama Authorizes Assassination of U.S. Citizen
Salon ^ | Wednesday, April 7, 2010 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 04/07/2010 7:24:39 AM PDT by kristinn

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To: Lazamataz; All

This is a STUNNING article from Salon....pass it on via Facebook etc.

Wow.

Shocked beyond words. Bush never did this and Obama outright said he wouldn’t even detain Americans without charges.

Now he says he has the right to just kill them at will?


51 posted on 04/07/2010 7:53:39 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: kristinn
I never thought I'd see members of FreeRepublic advocating for the rights of a terrorist imam and tying the hands of our military and intelligence forces. The man is an enemy combatant whose death would disrupt Al Qaeda planning. More pertinently, by waging war on us he is committing insurrection against the United States. The Constitution has always provided a military solution to insurrections. No Miranda rights required.

It is fun seeing the liberals forced at last to deal seriously with the issues that we conservatives have been working on for almost ten years. Welcome to the grownup table, guys. If you don't like the food, we'll send you back to the kids' table in November.

52 posted on 04/07/2010 7:55:32 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: kristinn
I am against the executive branch compiling hit lists of Americans, but I’m willing to pretend I don’t know anything about it in the case of an Islamic cleric named Anwar al-Awlaki who is an operative of Al Qaeda.

President huh authorized the what to kill who?

53 posted on 04/07/2010 7:56:43 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I remember there was a big fuss over targeting Yamamoto during WWII. We broke their code and knew where/when he'd be somewhere and wanted to get him. I recall that there was considerable discussion on whether or not assassination of this type was OK in a war.

Only other example that I can think of is the lib's all-time favorite prez...President Bartlett wrestling with this issue from his post on the West Wing.

54 posted on 04/07/2010 7:56:46 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I rarely go to DU but went there the other day to see the reaction on the new Nuclear response policy and even some of those people had second thoughts. But I only stayed for a short time and there were not that many posts on the subject yet.


55 posted on 04/07/2010 7:57:34 AM PDT by unkus
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To: OldNavyVet
If we can't get him in America, he should be targeted ... wherever he is.

Great concept, until you realise that Obama decides, on October 4, 2010, that a fellow by the name of OldNavyVet on Free Republic is an enemy of the state, and must be killed.

OOPS, that didn't work out too well for ya, did it?

56 posted on 04/07/2010 7:57:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: for-q-clinton

Really good question.

I am all for killing on the battlefield, but random assassination just anywhere....no.

Even someone as pro-war on terrorism as me says no to that.

That’s not acceptable. Now, if the person is actively involved on a plot on U.S. soil, say about ready to blow up a bomb right in front of you, yeah, kill.

But otherwise....this gives the government way too much power.


57 posted on 04/07/2010 7:59:06 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: toast
Fallacy. These men, who are named in the wanted posters, were convicted in a court of law -- either in absentia, or in person (and then escaped).

But thanks for playin'.

58 posted on 04/07/2010 7:59:25 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: kristinn; Redleg Duke; Travis McGee
"The danger [Your Name Here] poses to this country is no longer confined to words," said an American official... "He’s gotten involved in plots."

Plots to participate in Tea Party rallies.

Plots to oppose/repeal Obamacare.

Plots to post anti-Obama comments on-line.

Plots to purchase firearms and ammunition.

59 posted on 04/07/2010 8:03:19 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Lazamataz

Good point. Obama needs to get the courts spun up and start trying all these terrorists in absentia so he can say they are guilty before he kills them.

That should make for some interesting antics. Trying an empty chair for terrorism.


60 posted on 04/07/2010 8:04:04 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: kristinn; Jim Robinson

Bottom Line folks?

Each and every FReeper participating in these forums, a right guaranteed by the First Amendment, is a potential target for the 0bamunist thugs, if any one of us is deemed to be a ‘terrorist’ due to our non-support of, and opposition to, this illegal regime in Washington.

If it were a Republican President, there would be a 24/7 frenzy from the lamestream media for a special prosecutor, articles of impeachment, and removal from Office.

Being that it is the Dear Comrade, and said media just cannot service the Kenyan Usurper enough, such policies will be silently condoned, and the liberal talking heads will look the other way.


61 posted on 04/07/2010 8:07:54 AM PDT by mkjessup (How do you spell 'real conservative' in Arizona? J.D. Hayworth !! - Flush McStain down the Drain!!)
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To: OldNavyVet; kristinn; toast
Baloney. I have never liked the slippery slope argument, but there are too many ways that can be abused. I would not have supported President Bush doing it, and I don't support this president doing it.

False accusations can be made and evidence can be manufactured so that “anyone” can become an “unconvicted” criminal. THE bedrock of our Republic is the rule of law and the mandate that a “CITIZEN” be given a trial before his peers. Do you really want to give President Obama the right to kill anyone he deems (there is that word again) an enemy of the US. Really!!!

62 posted on 04/07/2010 8:10:04 AM PDT by wbarmy (I decided to be a sheepdog when I saw what happens to sheep.)
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To: kristinn

How long before, “Those who will not take the Mark, will be executed.” is heard coming from the White House?


63 posted on 04/07/2010 8:11:40 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Obama wants to raise taxes and kill babies. Palin wants to raise babies and kill taxes.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
With such an action, Zero's probably settling a score for one of his Muslim financial backers.

Demonstrating his boldness while flying so squarely in the face of the Constitution is a raw show of power not seen on Earth in 65 years.

Without using due process, Zero's claim for such an authorization alone is a direct violation of the Constitution and impeachable. The trial deserves to be short.

HF

64 posted on 04/07/2010 8:11:54 AM PDT by holden
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To: Caesar Soze

“I never thought I’d see members of FreeRepublic advocating for the rights of a terrorist imam”

The next step up from this is targeting a US citizen not in Afghanistan, identified as a dangerous enemy of the state by state decree. Sounds reasonable to target a dangerous imam overseas who happens to be a citizen, less reasonable to target a “terrorist” in West Virginia, but the logical and legal concepts points to being able to do just that.

I mean, imagine if Clinton or Bush I had targeted the dangerous terrorist Terry Nichols and authorized his death far from a battlefield, based on what he was planning and advocating. Lives would have been saved! Childrens lives! A drone in Prescott AZ could have taken him out as he was testing fertilizer mixes. What could be wrong with that?


65 posted on 04/07/2010 8:12:13 AM PDT by Ender Wiggin
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To: kristinn

The Feds said (during Bush’s term) that calling Islamic terrorists, ‘terrorists,’ was a bad thing and they changed it to ‘militant.’

Today I hear that ‘islamic radical’ is now a no-no word. But the Feds freely love to use the word ‘Christian terrorist’!

American Christians (and Jews) who speak the truth (which brings terror into the hearts of those in the District of Criminals) will be labeled terrorists and be subject to...’liquidation.’ Yeah, that’s the ticket!

Now that’s the regime change I can believe in!


66 posted on 04/07/2010 8:12:25 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: toast
Not really. Every single one of those wanted posters had to be approved by a judge. The perpetrator had already been tried “in absentia”. There were and are specific laws covering that. Anwar Al-Waliki has already said through his family that he is not supporting terrorism. He does not come forward because he fears that he would not receive a fair trial. There is “reasonable doubt” of whether he is guilty or not.
67 posted on 04/07/2010 8:13:24 AM PDT by wbarmy (I decided to be a sheepdog when I saw what happens to sheep.)
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To: Caesar Soze

“More pertinently, by waging war on us he is committing insurrection against the United States.”

I’m not sure if you knew this or not but the Left has been waging a covert war on America for the past 100 years or so. Now it will become a little more overt.


68 posted on 04/07/2010 8:14:11 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: wbarmy

Perhaps on a bit of a tangent, or perhaps relevant — when did the “wanted, dead or alive” notices so notable in the old West finally disappear? And what brought about their disappearance? Is there some old, moldy, but unrepealed law that Obama has dredged back up? (Funny that Dinner Jacket should have called him a “cowboy.”)


69 posted on 04/07/2010 8:15:58 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: for-q-clinton

They are very nasty, ugly and hateful people.

0bama could do anything and they would condone it and rationalize that it was justified in some warped way.


70 posted on 04/07/2010 8:16:04 AM PDT by unkus
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To: r9etb

I guess so.


71 posted on 04/07/2010 8:16:25 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: wbarmy

Unless... somehow Obama armtwisted the USSC into it?


72 posted on 04/07/2010 8:17:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: ClearCase_guy
Has Lon Horiuchi been notified of his new assignment?

Ziiiing! Not many people will recall Ruby Ridge.

73 posted on 04/07/2010 8:17:37 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

BINGO!

We already know that Hassan(the Ft. Hood shooter) was involved with both Obama and this American iman. Obama is protecting himself from further revelations.


74 posted on 04/07/2010 8:18:30 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: kristinn
...and advocates attacks on American military targets (advocacy which happens to be Constitutionally protected)...

Sedition is Constitutionally protected?

75 posted on 04/07/2010 8:19:31 AM PDT by Washi
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To: kristinn
But don't you dare try to "torture" the little twit! Since when did assassination become permissible while torture is not? Truly, liberalism is a mental disease.

Obastard Wall Clock, optimized version
76 posted on 04/07/2010 8:20:40 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: penelopesire

Well, if he is still hiding but in communication somehow, there is a dreadful lot he could tell without showing his face.


77 posted on 04/07/2010 8:21:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Lazamataz

“So when does the left LOSE IT, and demand Obama’s impeachment?

Or must there be an additional factor of Aggravated Unlicensed Republicanism in the Third Degree?”

And for that remark, Comrade, you name has been added to the “To Be Vaporized” list.

DOUBLEPLUSGOOD, heh?


78 posted on 04/07/2010 8:21:58 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: mrreaganaut

Would like your input, sir.


79 posted on 04/07/2010 8:22:03 AM PDT by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Oceander

Kill them with kindness?


80 posted on 04/07/2010 8:22:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: unkus

Makes Bush’s waterboarding look like childs play.


81 posted on 04/07/2010 8:22:25 AM PDT by mmanager (I'm not racist, I don't like the white half of him either.)
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To: kristinn

“The point is being made that an American citizen is being targeted for assassination (i.e., complete denial of all Constitutional rights) away from the battlefield solely on assertions without the barest of judicial proceedings.”

While the ROE instruct our troops to read enemies on and off the battlefield their rights. While Khalid Sheik Mo lives like a king at Gitmo and abu wobbles forth and back on whether he sould be tried in a Military court or a civilian court after he had already pled guilty.
abu stopped that trial PERSONALLY while it was already underway.
While he refused to allow Navy Seals to shoot freaking pirates who were holding Americans hostage.
WHAT is the difference in abu’s mind between this guy and THOSE guys? There has to be something more to the story.
I find it strange in the max that the “Christmas bomber,” (who was mirandized almost instantaneously,) was allowed to proceed as far as he did. We KNOW abu was briefed on this guy as far back as November, but still he made it all the way to Detroit, and only by the grace of G-d was the death and destruction his mission would have accomplished unsuccessful.
Hassan’s mission was successful...yet abu refused to call it a terrorist act.
WHAT does Al Awlaki know...and when did he know it?
This thing reeks of CYA.


82 posted on 04/07/2010 8:22:37 AM PDT by MestaMachine (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2426869/posts SUPPORT RINO FREE AMERICA)
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To: kristinn

The knees are jerking big-time on this thread but I cannot fault this decision. Awlaki needs to go.


83 posted on 04/07/2010 8:25:25 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: Travis McGee

And the precedent is set....


84 posted on 04/07/2010 8:25:53 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: penelopesire

Should have read the thread further before I posted. This thing is absolutely rank with a personal coverup. There is no other explanation for it.


85 posted on 04/07/2010 8:27:29 AM PDT by MestaMachine (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2426869/posts SUPPORT RINO FREE AMERICA)
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To: dead
I think we all believe we know in our hearts that Anwar al-Awlaki has done plenty to deserve death, but there may never be any excuse or escape from consequences for circumventing the Constitution, lest bad precedents rule and be used as an excuse to kill without due process next time, too, on the basis of "C'mon, we all knew what a bad-a$$ (Conservative) he was! The world is better off with out him, just like it was when we took out Awlaki!"

You didn't complain then, did you!?

"So quit complaining about Rush meeting his maker before he did more harm to the regime!" (the FCC might say in a press release somewhere down the road.)

HF

86 posted on 04/07/2010 8:28:10 AM PDT by holden
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To: All

drudge@drudgereport.com


87 posted on 04/07/2010 8:30:08 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Kill them with socialism - the same way Lenin killed 20 million of his own citizens/subjects.


88 posted on 04/07/2010 8:30:14 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: for-q-clinton

C’mon guys... if this article appeared during the previous administration we’d be in full support mode. If this American is fully cooperating and participating in terrorist activities, he should be targeted... no matter who the current President is.


89 posted on 04/07/2010 8:30:51 AM PDT by ruschpa
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To: Michael Barnes; ClearCase_guy
Has Lon Horiuchi been notified of his new assignment?
Ziiiing! Not many people will recall Ruby Ridge.


I sure as hell do. I'll bet ol' Lon is fully engorged and throbbing at the prospect, that sonuvabitch.
90 posted on 04/07/2010 8:30:56 AM PDT by mkjessup (How do you spell 'real conservative' in Arizona? J.D. Hayworth !! - Flush McStain down the Drain!!)
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To: denydenydeny

Awlaki needs to say right out loud what he knows. He has already given hints in a couple of his audios that he knows more than he has said. this guy has connections here. Powerful ones. Many of the SAME connections abu bama has. He knows too much to be taken alive.


91 posted on 04/07/2010 8:32:36 AM PDT by MestaMachine (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2426869/posts SUPPORT RINO FREE AMERICA)
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To: unkus
When will they try for the “Fairness Doctrine”?

They don't need the fairness doctrine anymore. They can simply declare Rush a terrorist and have him shot on sight.

92 posted on 04/07/2010 8:33:16 AM PDT by drangundsturm
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To: wbarmy; Lazamataz

Is a trial “in absentia” even possible today?
I would think it would be easily challenged.
A lawyer would be appointed to the defendant but that lawyer would not have access to his client.


93 posted on 04/07/2010 8:33:41 AM PDT by toast
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To: Mr. Lucky

I agree... if you willingly participate in terrorist activities you should be targeted by our armed forces, no matter your nationality.
I doubt there would be much opposition if Bush were President. We’d be raving against those left-wing lunatics who work at the NY Times, Washington Post, Salon, etc...


94 posted on 04/07/2010 8:34:51 AM PDT by ruschpa
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To: Eye of Unk
"He’ll go after Rush, Beck, Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, FOX news."

You are not wrapped too tight.

95 posted on 04/07/2010 8:35:04 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: mmanager
Makes Bush’s waterboarding look like childs play.

bttt

96 posted on 04/07/2010 8:35:33 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: mkjessup

Yeah man, the pits of hell aren’t deep enough for Lon’s cold, soulless heart.


97 posted on 04/07/2010 8:35:53 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: Lazamataz

Bullshit, Laz.


98 posted on 04/07/2010 8:36:07 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: kristinn

All the people here who normally want to nuke Mecca (even if some Americans are among the casualties) seem to be suddenly getting religion about due process.


99 posted on 04/07/2010 8:36:17 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: subterfuge

word games is all it is


100 posted on 04/07/2010 8:36:28 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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