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Griffin, NASA luminaries urge Obama to change space policy (Gene Kranz, American heroes)
Orlando Sentinal ^ | April, 12 2010 | American space heroes!

Posted on 04/12/2010 6:23:29 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares

Dear President Obama;

America is faced with the near-simultaneous ending of the Shuttle program and your recent budget proposal to cancel the Constellation program. This is wrong for our country for many reasons. We are very concerned about America ceding its hard earned global leadership in space technology to other nations. We are stunned that, in a time of economic crisis, this move will force as many as 30,000 irreplaceable engineers and managers out of the space industry. We see our human exploration program, one of the most inspirational tools to promote science, technology, engineering and math to our young people, being reduced to mediocrity. NASA’s human space program has inspired awe and wonder in all ages by pursuing the American tradition of exploring the unknown. We strongly urge you to drop this misguided proposal that forces NASA out of human space operations for the foreseeable future.

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KEYWORDS: nasa; space
For those of us who have accepted the risk and dedicated a portion of our lives to the exploration of outer space, this is a terrible decision. Our experiences were made possible by the efforts of thousands who were similarly dedicated to the exploration of the last frontier. Success in this great national adventure was predicated on well defined programs, an unwavering national commitment, and an ambitious challenge. We understand there are risks involved in human space flight, but they are calculated risks for worthy goals, whose benefits greatly exceed those risks.

America’s greatness lies in her people: she will always have men and women willing to ride rockets into the heavens. America’s challenge is to match their bravery and acceptance of risk with specific plans and goals worthy of their commitment. NASA must continue at the frontiers of human space exploration in order to develop the technology and set the standards of excellence that will enable commercial space ventures to eventually succeed. Canceling NASA’s human space operations, after 50 years of unparalleled achievement, makes that objective impossible.

One of the greatest fears of any generation is not leaving things better for the young people of the next. In the area of human space flight, we are about to realize that fear; your NASA budget proposal raises more questions about our future in space than it answers.

Too many men and women have worked too hard and sacrificed too much to achieve America’s preeminence in space, only to see that effort needlessly thrown away. We urge you to demonstrate the vision and determination necessary to keep our nation at the forefront of human space exploration with ambitious goals and the proper resources to see them through. This is not the time to abandon the promise of the space frontier for a lack of will or an unwillingness to pay the price.

Sincerely, in hopes of continued American leadership in human space exploration.

Walter Cunningham Apollo 7

Chris Kraft Past Director JSC

Jack Lousma Skylab 3, STS 3

Vance Brand Apollo-Soyuz, STS-5, STS-41B, STS-35

Bob Crippen STS-1, STS-7, STS-41C, STS-41G Past Director KSC

Michael D. Griffin Past NASA Administrator

Ed Gibson Skylab 4

Jim Kennedy Past Director KSC

Alan Bean Apollo 12, Skylab 3

Alfred M. Worden Apollo 15

Scott Carpenter Mercury Astronaut

Glynn Lunney Gemini-Apollo Flight Director

Jim McDivitt Gemini 4, Apollo 9 Apollo Spacecraft Program Manager

Gene Kranz Gemini-Apollo Flight Director Past Director NASA Mission Ops.

Joe Kerwin Skylab 2

Fred Haise Apollo 13, Shuttle Landing Tests

Gerald Carr Skylab 4

Jim Lovell Gemini 7, Gemini 12, Apollo 8, Apollo 13

Jake Garn STS-51D, U.S. Senator

Charlie Duke Apollo 16

Bruce McCandless STS-41B, STS-31

Frank Borman Gemini 7, Apollo 8

Paul Weitz Skylab 2, STS-6

George Mueller Past Associate Administrator For Manned Space Flight

Harrison Schmitt Apollo 17, U.S. Senator

Gene Cernan Gemini 9, Apollo 10, Apollo 17

Dick Gordon Gemini 11, Apollo 12

1 posted on 04/12/2010 6:23:29 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Helluva list there of some of America’s best.


2 posted on 04/12/2010 6:24:21 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

The best of the best may as well beat their heads against the wall. Barry is about nothing but tearing our great nation apart.


3 posted on 04/12/2010 6:26:32 PM PDT by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
These are a bunch of prime pilots.

Obama, on the other hand, is a miserable pud-knocker.

4 posted on 04/12/2010 6:26:52 PM PDT by caddie
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Billions for deadbeats, not one cent for space exploration!


5 posted on 04/12/2010 6:29:34 PM PDT by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

I think we should send one Kenyan TO THE MOON.


6 posted on 04/12/2010 6:31:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Sorry, manned space programs cost too much and return almost no new knowledge. (they tell use useless things like spiders make crooked webs in space). On the other hand, robotic spacecraft have been spectacularly successful. They get 1000x more bang per buck. We need missions to Europa and Enceladus, the Mars polar regions, and ice deposits on the moon. And we need new space telescopes to look for other Earth-like planets. Here is one thing I can agree with Obama on.


7 posted on 04/12/2010 6:31:58 PM PDT by 1955Ford
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Obama would not support the space program unless it could someone increase his political power. That is the only thing this rodent cares about.


8 posted on 04/12/2010 6:32:27 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: KevinDavis

Ping


9 posted on 04/12/2010 6:34:28 PM PDT by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Not one black man has ever led an expedition of great discovery. Correct me if I an wrong but I do not remember a single discovery of a new land, new place, or any expedition of exploring the unknown parts of the world ever being led by a black person.
This came to mind as I was in a discussing with several black friends about the space program. Not one of them saw any value, past or present, in our nations space program. They all had the same comment, that they thought the money could be better spent right here at home on the people. When I pushed them on this they admitted they meant social entitlement programs.
I really had to shake my head and walk off. These folks can't see past the end of their nose. If Christopher Columbus had been black the native Americans would be a happy independent continental nation. So bring on the facts and please correct me if I am wrong. It seems that if they can't see it them it does not exist.
10 posted on 04/12/2010 6:36:54 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Freedom and security are worth fighting for. Proud vet.)
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To: 1955Ford
"Here is one thing I can agree with Obama on."

Really?

Scrapping manned flight by NASA in exchange for low orbit privatized flights may be a good short-term idea, but have you seen any plans for unmanned exploration?

Of course you haven't....his plan is to take as much money as possible out of NASA to spend elsewhere.

11 posted on 04/12/2010 6:39:02 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Welcome to the Third World.


12 posted on 04/12/2010 6:41:10 PM PDT by pallis
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To: mrreaganaut; Las Vegas Dave; Hell to pay; kosciusko51; stainlessbanner; uscbud; blogOps; Mr Fuji; ..


For other space news go to: http://www.spacetoday.net
For a list of Private Space Companies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_private_spaceflight_companies


13 posted on 04/12/2010 6:42:28 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Jesus Saves... Allah Kills...)
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To: KevinDavis

Ping.


14 posted on 04/12/2010 6:43:31 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: oldenuff2no

Show them this video........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhNZENMG1o


15 posted on 04/12/2010 6:45:01 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: oldenuff2no

Oh you didn’t hear about the great explorer Al Maki Maki Wutu Maki?? He of present-day Johannesburgh led a mighty expedition all the way to present-day Somalia and returned with bountiful slaves!

/s

Oh you said exploration.


16 posted on 04/12/2010 6:47:59 PM PDT by GeronL (Entitlement Zombies will become real zombies when the money runs out)
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To: 1955Ford
“Here is one thing I can agree with Obama on.”

The nations that lead on the frontiers, dictate the course of human history.

Human presence cannot be replicated by machines. Obama is tragically catastrophically wrong on this, as is his judgment on almost all matters.

You need to seriously re-evaluate your thinking on this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhNZENMG1o

17 posted on 04/12/2010 6:49:32 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Great letter. Gene Kranz is my personal favorite. I was inspired to my line of work by the space program in my childhood. We need to pass this pride on to our children.


18 posted on 04/12/2010 6:51:27 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: 1955Ford
You post: “Sorry, manned space programs cost too much and return almost no new knowledge. “

Sorry - you are either woefully or willfully misinformed.
For one: the space program takes .05% of the budget.
For two: here's a list of some of the spin offs we have benefited from.

http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/

and the money will still be spent - obymmer has directed NASA to funnel the money to “predominately Muslim countries” to bring Muslim youth into the space sciences. (links below)

In addition, any decisions regarding NASA are legally given to Congress. obyummer is once again overstepping his authority.

tens of thousands of Americans in space program being put out of work - money to be funneled to Muslim countries -

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2010/02/nasa-plans-more-outreach-to-muslim-countries.html

NASA plans more outreach to Muslim countries

(per a directive from obama)

http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2010/02/obama-orders-nasa-to-work-with-muslim-countries-yes-nasa-and-no-this-isnt-from-the-onion.html

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/02/28/obamas-budget-moon-mission-cut-thousands-of-nasa-workers-will-lose-jobs-houston-florida-will-be-hit-hard-with-unemployment-video/

headline:

“Obama calls ‘entrepreneurship summit’ with Muslims”

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c429eac8e6bddb6d430d2b4d28386dd9.551&show_article=1

In addition, a letter from Hillary:

Hillary Clinton
Remarks at the U.S.-Islamic World Forum
Doha, Qatar
February 14, 2010

President Obama and I believe that education and innovation are the currency of this century. That's why he announced a new era of engagement with Muslim communities to expand educational opportunities, support entrepreneurs, and promote advances in science and technology.

Our goal is to identify excellent ideas and successful projects in Muslim communities and then invest in them, help to scale them up, and to connect innovators and entrepreneurs, so that they can support and enhance each other’s work.

We are creating a Global Technology and Innovation Fund, which we will launch this spring, that will provide hundreds of millions of dollars in capital to small and medium-sized businesses throughout the Middle East, Asia, and Africa . . .

We have to continue to expand and strengthen outreach to students. And that is why we have increased funding for educational exchange programs for Muslim students. NASA, our space program, has partnered with the Arab Youth Venture Foundation in Dubai to give Arab and American engineering students the chance to work together on NASA missions.

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These are illegal acts - NOT the prerogative of the Executive Office under our Separation of Powers - indeed, NASA and the Space Program are legally under the auspices of CONGRESS. The WH has no legal right to by-pass Congress on NASA.

and so the redistribution of money out of OUR pockets kicks into high gear. (and the redistribution of jobs - tens of thousands of Americans will loose their jobs - as the money and jobs are given to Muslims around the world...not to mention the technology to create several more Irans. And then the Caliphate?)

Obama stated his goal of redistribution before he was elected...it's the prime tenet of the Black Liberationists churches, one of which he sat in for 20 years.

We are dealing with America-hating, One World Gov’t driven ‘enemies within’, the likes of which we have never seen or imagined in the history of this country.

Hear it in his own words -

Video/Text of President Barack Obama ‘s speech at Cairo University

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/obama-speech-in-cairo-vid_n_211215.html

WAKE UP AMERICA

19 posted on 04/12/2010 6:53:38 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: SueRae

I have met him several times. When I was a teacher down in League City a few years ago, his grandson was one of my students. Great guy!


20 posted on 04/12/2010 6:59:44 PM PDT by hout8475
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To: oldenuff2no
Not one black man has ever led an expedition of great discovery. Correct me if I an wrong but I do not remember a single discovery of a new land, new place, or any expedition of exploring the unknown parts of the world ever being led by a black person.

Well humanity started out in Africa. The Europeans and Asians are the decedents of the people who explored and colonized new lands. Africans are the decedents of the people who stayed behind. So perhaps there is some gene that sends a shot of happy juice into the brain when you discover something new. Curiosity may be genetic.
21 posted on 04/12/2010 7:01:38 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: SueRae; All

“We need to pass this pride on to our children.”

Strongly agreed.
And now is the time to fight for that legacy.
A nation born of the frontiers must keep leading on the frontiers, or we will wilt away and others will take our place determining the course of human history. Others that are not believers in freedom I may add.

I implore everyone to not just sit and do nothing.

You can learn how to help right here....

http://web.me.com/michaelokuda/CONSTELLATION/GO_BOLDLY.html

You can send a general comment to the entire committee on science and technology here........

http://science.house.gov/contact/contact_generalform.shtml

Takes literally two minutes.

It’s time to be heard.

That list of heroes is counting on us now.
We watched them make history, we watched them walk on the moon, fly shuttles never before flight tested before and do things most of us can only dream of doing.
Many risked all for our nation.

Now they call on us to not let the legacy they gave us die in Obama’s hands.


22 posted on 04/12/2010 7:02:37 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: Names Ash Housewares; oldenuff2no
Maybe this video would be more appropriate:

Click Here

I always get a kick out of that one. LOL.

23 posted on 04/12/2010 7:02:47 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: oldenuff2no

I wonder why it is that John Glenn did not sign. Partisan support for the one in the White House maybe?

It is unfortunate your friends feel the way they do. I guess they get no inspiration from the African American astronauts who have managed to reach for the stars. If there were no space program (on which the US spends a relatively tiny amount of money) then many minority and underprivileged kids will not be able to dream of flying in space or taking part in this lofty and exciting program. Very sad, IMO.


24 posted on 04/12/2010 7:05:44 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: 1955Ford

I disagree, in part. Sure, repeated trips into orbit to experiment on spiders might be redundant.

On the other hand, we should have already created a base on our Moon, and have an eye toward Mars and the rest of our Solar System. Our space exploration should start from the Moon, rather than our planet, because we use so much energy and resources leaving the Earth. It would be FAR easier exploring space from the Moon if we had a base there with supplies and life support.


25 posted on 04/12/2010 7:06:15 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Names Ash Housewares

The muslim in the whitehouse will NOT listen to our American Heros. However if it was a muslim asking him, he would do it. The muslim doesn’t like us, in fact, I’ll bet a whole dollar he hates what we stand for and what this country was build on. Remember one of his first, if not his very first speech as a camdidate for president? He said something like, “this is the greatest country in the world, not it’s time for change”.????? Well he’s been going lickety brindel forward as fast as he can to change our country and make it into a socialist country, which is communis/facist light.


26 posted on 04/12/2010 7:12:50 PM PDT by tillacum ( It is the military, not the press, not the politicians who keep America free.)
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To: TNCMAXQ

I looked for his name, too. Considering his own recent flight on the shuttle, you’d think he’d want to support this also. Makes you wonder of the corrosiveness of D.C.


27 posted on 04/12/2010 7:15:00 PM PDT by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: TNCMAXQ

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2011475072_spacefuture30.html

...snip...

Glenn troubled

No one knows what private-sector vehicle will replace Orion if Constellation is canceled, however, or whether there will be sufficient demand to make space travel profitable. That troubles former U.S. Sen. John Glenn, the first American to orbit Earth, who thinks NASA should take a gradual path to privatization.

“I’m not certain that we’re far enough along yet that the private sector can take up the slack in the whole program. That remains to be seen,” Glenn said.


Well, maybe he is for privatization. Problem is, by the time Barry gets done with our country, there’ll be no one here who’ll be able to afford it.


28 posted on 04/12/2010 7:21:36 PM PDT by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: oldenuff2no

Watch the video at the Save Space rally..

Black Americans fighting for NASA are prominately featured...

http://www.cfnews13.com/Space/DestinationSpace/2010/4/11/thousands_gather_for_save_space_rally.html?refresh=1


29 posted on 04/12/2010 7:36:57 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I always felt that the years I worked in early lunar exploration, design and development, were like an advanced degree, learning things and methodologies, that I applied in commercial aerospace for the next 43 years.

When you cut a program to save money, you end up moving knowledge out of the field, that can not be replaced. Stimulus money is better spent maintaining capability to retain world leadership, than it is paying off your constituents.

Notice also he is also giving away leadership in Nuclear weapons systems. When you lose these people, you lose it all.

30 posted on 04/12/2010 7:42:23 PM PDT by NJJ (Obama:Rebuilding of America=WW II:Rebuilding of Europe)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Obama. The quintessential example of The Wrong Stuff.


31 posted on 04/12/2010 7:43:59 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: Names Ash Housewares

“Privatization” is just the veil behind which Zero’s trying to hide as he seeks to jettison any responsibility or commitment to space exploration. Manufacturing and operations can be done privately, and should be. The mission cannot be privatized, nor can the responsibility for funding it.

This is like telling Colt, Ruger and Taurus they’re now in charge of national defense, because he’s decided that privatization is the way to go. While killing the defense industry work at GD, Boeing, and Lockmart through program terminations.


32 posted on 04/12/2010 7:46:11 PM PDT by saundby
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To: Names Ash Housewares; KevinDavis
Thanks for the post, NAH.

And always thanks for the ping, KD. Science in general really makes my day.

(Great documentary on M-Theory here.)

33 posted on 04/12/2010 8:02:20 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: saundby

Exactly.

Some folks here have gotten so anti-government they paint themselves into a corner and reject all things federal.

NASA human spaceflight is as stratgically vital to the nations future as much as the US Marines are to our security.

You can support NASA human spaceflight and private industry both. Everyone wants private industry to succeed, but they are beholden to the quarterly report and shareholder, not exploration and positioning America on the frontiers.


34 posted on 04/12/2010 8:05:07 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: TNCMAXQ
It is sad and really caught me by surprise. I tossed the idea around and asked others, brought in up in several discussions and it was always the same. Not all non-blacks support the continuation of our space program but the majority of them did. Every one of the blacks I talked to spoke out against it. They all went to the same place, spend the money here at home on people programs.
That brought on a couple discussions with past history teachers. I thought they would correct me or inform me but that didn't happen.
I'm not going to harp on the right and wrong of this. It seems to be a cultural difference. Not right or wrong, just different.
35 posted on 04/12/2010 9:41:33 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Freedom and security are worth fighting for. Proud vet.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Bookmarking to read later


36 posted on 04/12/2010 10:03:45 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (RIP Tony Snow. - praying for his family and friends.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Excellent post!!! Thanks for those links.


37 posted on 04/13/2010 3:37:53 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: Names Ash Housewares

“Helluva list there of some of America’s best.”

You said it. We have to make a stand and prevent Obama from “burning the fleet” like the Chinese did with their navy just prior to Columbus’ voyages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He


38 posted on 04/13/2010 4:10:03 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: pallis

When Hussein is done, the Third World will look like a paradise compared to the wreakage of the area formerly known as the USA.


39 posted on 04/13/2010 5:31:52 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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