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Sex and the single black woman
The Economist ^ | Apr 8th 2010 | The Economist

Posted on 04/13/2010 11:51:43 AM PDT by unclebankster

How the mass incarceration of black men hurts black women

IMAGINE that the world consists of 20 men and 20 women, all of them heterosexual and in search of a mate. Since the numbers are even, everyone can find a partner. But what happens if you take away one man? You might not think this would make much difference. You would be wrong, argues Tim Harford, a British economist, in a book called “The Logic of Life”. With 20 women pursuing 19 men, one woman faces the prospect of spinsterhood. So she ups her game. Perhaps she dresses more seductively. Perhaps she makes an extra effort to be obliging. Somehow or other, she “steals” a man from one of her fellow women. That newly single woman then ups her game, too, to steal a man from someone else. A chain reaction ensues. Before long, every woman has to try harder, and every man can relax a little.

Real life is more complicated, of course, but this simple model illustrates an important truth. In the marriage market, numbers matter. And among African-Americans, the disparity is much worse than in Mr Harford’s imaginary example. Between the ages of 20 and 29, one black man in nine is behind bars. For black women of the same age, the figure is about one in 150. For obvious reasons, convicts are excluded from the dating pool. And many women also steer clear of ex-cons, which makes a big difference when one young black man in three can expect to be locked up at some point.

Removing so many men from the marriage market has profound consequences. As incarceration rates exploded between 1970 and 2007, the proportion of US-born black women aged 30-44 who were married plunged from 62% to 33%. Why this happened is complex and furiously debated. The era of mass imprisonment began as traditional mores were already crumbling, following the sexual revolution of the 1960s and the invention of the contraceptive pill. It also coincided with greater opportunities for women in the workplace. These factors must surely have had something to do with the decline of marriage.

But jail is a big part of the problem, argue Kerwin Kofi Charles, now at the University of Chicago, and Ming Ching Luoh of National Taiwan University. They divided America up into geographical and racial “marriage markets”, to take account of the fact that most people marry someone of the same race who lives relatively close to them. Then, after crunching the census numbers, they found that a one percentage point increase in the male incarceration rate was associated with a 2.4-point reduction in the proportion of women who ever marry. Could it be, however, that mass incarceration is a symptom of increasing social dysfunction, and that it was this social dysfunction that caused marriage to wither? Probably not. For similar crimes, America imposes much harsher penalties than other rich countries. Mr Charles and Mr Luoh controlled for crime rates, as a proxy for social dysfunction, and found that it made no difference to their results. They concluded that “higher male imprisonment has lowered the likelihood that women marry…and caused a shift in the gains from marriage away from women and towards men.” Learning and earning

Similar problems afflict working-class whites, but they are more concentrated among blacks. Some 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock. The collapse of the traditional family has made black Americans far poorer and lonelier than they would otherwise have been. The least-educated black women suffer the most. In 2007 only 11% of US-born black women aged 30-44 without a high school diploma had a working spouse, according to the Pew Research Centre. Their college-educated sisters fare better, but are still affected by the sex imbalance. Because most seek husbands of the same race—96% of married black women are married to black men—they are ultimately fishing in the same pool.

Black women tend to stay in school longer than black men. Looking only at the non-incarcerated population, black women are 40% more likely to go to college. They are also more likely than white women to seek work. One reason why so many black women strive so hard is because they do not expect to split the household bills with a male provider. And the educational disparity creates its own tensions. If you are a college-educated black woman with a good job and you wish to marry a black man who is your socioeconomic equal, the odds are not good.

“I thought I was a catch,” sighs an attractive black female doctor at a hospital in Washington, DC. Black men with good jobs know they are “a hot commodity”, she observes. When there are six women chasing one man, “It’s like, what are you going to do extra, to get his attention?” Some women offer sex on the first date, she says, which makes life harder for those who prefer to combine romance with commitment. She complains about a recent boyfriend, an electrician whom she had been dating for about six months, whose phone started ringing late at night. It turned out to be his other girlfriend. Pressed, he said he didn’t realise the relationship was meant to be exclusive.

The skewed sex ratio “puts black women in an awful spot,” says Audrey Chapman, a relationship counsellor and the author of several books with titles such as “Getting Good Loving”. Her advice to single black women is pragmatic: love yourself, communicate better and so on. She says that many black men and women, having been brought up by single mothers, are unsure what role a man should play in the home. The women expect to be in charge; the men sometimes resent this. Nisa Muhammad of the Wedded Bliss Foundation, a pro-marriage group, urges her college-educated sisters to consider marrying honourable blue-collar workers, such as the postman. But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: blackcrime; blackmen; blackwomen; china; chinesemen; crime; dating; interracial; man; men; race; racist; relationships; relationsihps
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To: SkyPilot

WHILE WHITE MEN ARE EXPECTED TO STOP IT AND THANK WOMEN AND MINORITIES FOR BEING SO PATIENT.


101 posted on 04/13/2010 4:19:27 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Publius
There is a base canard in the black community that white men are deficient in — ahem! — certain areas. I proved to her satisfaction that this was not the case.

Umm..good job.
Chuckle!
Ahhmm....as far as that particular activity is concerned, I think the differences between the races are way exaggerated. I think it's more in the mind and has more to do with doing something "taboo" or different than anything else.

102 posted on 04/13/2010 4:58:20 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe
At the time I was dating the black lady, my cousin was dating a Japanese lady. His comment was that non-white women have more sexual energy that white women.

As I wiped the sweat from my brow, I agreed with him.

103 posted on 04/13/2010 5:01:07 PM PDT by Publius
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To: wastoute
At the risk of being called “racist” I see more than a few black men with white gf and wives. I wonder if that doesn’t have an adverse effect as well. This article doesn’t seem to mention this.

I am sure that does play a role in the shortage of available black men for black women.

104 posted on 04/13/2010 5:11:23 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: Beelzebubba
"Now, consider the sex-selection abortion genocide of females in China, and how that will play out"


105 posted on 04/13/2010 5:25:11 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Don't think of work as 5 days on, 2 days off. Instead think 4 nights on, 3 off.)
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To: unclebankster

I’ve been told by a black freeper that white men are dorks otherwise I think that would be the cure for lonely black women.

A good responsible white man.

maybe they are slow learners


106 posted on 04/13/2010 11:16:18 PM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: unclebankster
They are also more likely than white women to seek work

duh...and just why is that homeo?

107 posted on 04/13/2010 11:17:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: wastoute

most black men and white women down here involves neither marriage or non obesity or fathering beyond conception


108 posted on 04/13/2010 11:18:43 PM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

these articles take consequence and try to make it the cause

typical libtard race baiter logic..who wrote this?


109 posted on 04/13/2010 11:20:33 PM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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lulz @ this


110 posted on 04/13/2010 11:22:10 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (1.416785(71) x 10^32)
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To: unclebankster
But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.

But the simplest way to help the black family would be for fewer black men to COMMIT less offences!

111 posted on 04/14/2010 4:07:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GeorgeSaden
Permit bigamy. I'm serious.

Sharing one good husband is better than having a non-husband in jail.

Sounds like a MORMON mission field!

112 posted on 04/14/2010 4:08:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
True, though I've also noticed that non-celebrity black guys who are with white women usually tend to be with the skanks that the white guys won't touch.

With HUGE booties!

113 posted on 04/14/2010 4:10:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: throwback

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Emperor_Syndrome

Ms. Pushy - meet Mr. Spoiled


114 posted on 04/14/2010 4:13:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: qam1
But if Black Women didn't pop out 2 or 3 kids with the Gangsta thugs by the time they are 18 they might have a better chance of getting a more stable man.

I'll bet they would NOT do this if THEY had to pay for them!

115 posted on 04/14/2010 4:14:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SmokingJoe

No more RUMORS!

We need FACTS!


116 posted on 04/14/2010 4:15:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: throwback
More like 3 billion of them!

There are a BILLION Indians!

117 posted on 04/14/2010 4:17:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A CA Guy
 
Jail isn’t the problem, families being so broken up and men avoiding school leading to jail is the problem IMO.
 
 
Where is the BLACK church in all of this??



What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?
 




prophet kimball"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982


spencer kimball"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65


spencer kimball"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
-
Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196


"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.


kimball"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965


"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155


"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.


 


118 posted on 04/14/2010 4:19:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NC Belle
Can’t we all just be “people” ?

No; we can't.


The old canard about "If you are not part of the solution; you are part of the problem" has been proven false.

MOST of the time, we are innocent bystanders to what is going on around us.

119 posted on 04/14/2010 4:22:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: unclebankster

Yep. Lets quit punishing ‘em for crimes they commit. That’ll solve the problem! After all, its racist, dontcha know.


120 posted on 04/14/2010 4:22:49 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: hinckley buzzard
If you stop incarcerating even nonviolent criminals you will have the streets crawling with nonviolent criminals.

Idle hands are the Devil's workshop.

121 posted on 04/14/2010 4:23:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jim Noble
Wonder if that’s the plan?

Nah...

If we wanted fodder we could very easily outlaw abortion, but take the children that would HAVE BEEN KILLED into the loving arms of Uncle Sam and creat fighting machines out of them.

122 posted on 04/14/2010 4:25:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: relictele

Oh Honey!

They tell all the TIME!


123 posted on 04/14/2010 4:26:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Where’s that Long Legged Mack Daddy when you NEED him?


124 posted on 04/14/2010 4:27:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rockhardo
Stop tolerating SUBSIDIZING promiscuity and criminal behavior among your men, stop having children out of wedlock, and stop blaming the problem on racism.
125 posted on 04/14/2010 4:28:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rockhardo
And how does it help families to tolerate criminal behavior of any sort?

SIN is a reproach to ANY Nation.

126 posted on 04/14/2010 4:30:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Charles Henrickson

No; I did NOT read ahead and steal your reply!

GMTA


127 posted on 04/14/2010 4:31:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
If we wanted fodder

I was talking about China.

128 posted on 04/14/2010 4:32:53 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Let tyrants shake their iron rod, and slavery clank her galling chains)
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To: OldMissileer
I can dream, can't I?

"I have a dream..."

Martin is spinning in his grave!

129 posted on 04/14/2010 4:33:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ellendra
"Men will behave as badly as the women around them will tolerate."

So true!

My pastor even states that "men are dogs".

130 posted on 04/14/2010 4:34:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TASMANIANRED
Ultimately it comes down once again to the government caused the problem and the government sustains the problem.

When are WE going to FINALLY be fed up with it and actually DO something about it instead of inspecting our navals on FR all day long?

131 posted on 04/14/2010 4:36:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Minn

AMEN!

No more CLAIMS,

Give us FACTS!


132 posted on 04/14/2010 4:37:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wardaddy
most black men and white women down here involves neither marriage or non obesity or fathering beyond conception

Down WHERE?

133 posted on 04/14/2010 4:41:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jim Noble

Oh...


134 posted on 04/14/2010 4:42:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Stop tolerating SUBSIDIZING promiscuity and criminal behavior among your men, stop having children out of wedlock, and stop blaming the problem on racism.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

IIRC, if a woman was going to receive WIC and the rest of the alphabet soup of 'aid', she couldn't be married and living with her able-bodied husband.

135 posted on 04/14/2010 4:49:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Elsie

Really interesting. Hadn’t heard of that phenomena. Got to love those central planners. What happens when the supposed smartest run things. I think I prefer freedom. Here you don’t have the government killing your over quota dogs or children yet, although we’re on our way.


136 posted on 04/14/2010 6:09:09 AM PDT by throwback
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To: Elsie

Nashville area

i’d wager 1/3 of poor fat white trash women here have mixed babies and marriage and fatherhood is 100% absent


137 posted on 04/14/2010 8:50:50 AM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

no doubt...the relaxation of this taboo has created a motherload of sexual opportunity (and careless pregnancy) for ugly fat white or hard faced older white gals who used to go unnoticed

maybe ugly white girls just don’t seem as ugly to some

another race thing I notice is White men prefer Asian women when they go outside their own

I like white Southern women and Colombian gals....and maybe a few other high Spanish white women...taste and culture wise

not to say some mulatto women are not gorgeous...they are indeed..


138 posted on 04/14/2010 8:54:43 AM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: wastoute

had it been an “adverse effect” im sure the author would have mentioned it, and apparently it doesn’t since the majority of single black men prefer, date and marry black women.


139 posted on 04/18/2010 4:44:17 AM PDT by blacklady
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To: Cyman

“It appears to me that the biggest obstacle that black women face is...........white women.”

It appears to me that you are completely ignorant. I personally don’t know any black man who desires a white woman. If anything black women are more intimidated by mulatto women and exotic Hispanic women After all they are mainly the type of women black men are most attracted to outside of black women.

“Especially blue eyed blondes. Take a casual perusal of black male celebrities. The black women as a wife or significant other is almost non-existent.”

Yes a very many famous black men have white or non-black partners, still MOST certainly have black wives and significant others. That is a fact, i work in the entertainment industry and see it firsthand.


140 posted on 04/18/2010 6:51:48 AM PDT by blacklady
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To: throwback

“Interesting observation. Most black women seem really pushy to me, and I could see why no one would be interested. I notice they don’t comment on black men marrying white women also diminishing the pool. There are two (apparently successful) black men living in my neighborhood; both married to white women.”

I like how folks want to study and examine why many black men date white women, but never question why white women prefer black men over white men. Hmm I wonder.


141 posted on 04/18/2010 6:51:48 AM PDT by blacklady
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To: knarf

“I saw no reference to the black man that prefered a white woman.”

Why do most white women prefer black men? If anything black women wish that white men would make themselves more appealing to white women so that black women can get their black men back.


142 posted on 04/18/2010 6:51:48 AM PDT by blacklady
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To: blacklady
That is a good question. I suspect it’s because black men are more tolerant and focused on what women want than white men. White men tend to be more focused on business and things external to their home lives. I thought I read one theory that more blacks tend to come from homes run by single mothers, and as a result, black men are conditioned to having women run the house. If true, black men might naturally be more appealing to women that prefer to run the family. Of course these are all generalizations and only go so far to try to explain what really happens in any individuals life.
143 posted on 04/19/2010 6:41:15 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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