Skip to comments.Army officer won’t accept Obama as chief
Posted on 04/14/2010 8:09:59 AM PDT by LouAvul
The Army may be forced to court-martial a lieutenant colonel who refused to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Barack Obama to be illegal, military officials told NBC News on Tuesday.
Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief because Lakin believes the president was not born in the United States. A video with statements from Lakin on the subject was released by the right-wing American Patriot Foundation.
Lakin refused to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., for deployment to Afghanistan, but instead went to the Pentagon. There on Monday he was confronted by his brigade commander, Col. Gordon Roberts, and informed he could face court martial, and his Pentagon building pass and government laptop computer were seized.
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i admire him for standing in what he believes....
Brave man. This is a career-ender, no matter what. I sincerely pray that he isn’t throwing himself onto his sword for nothing.
this was on pmsnbc?
GOING LIVE ON DRUDGE!!!! BET RUSH TALKS ABOUT IT NOW!!!
I seldom visit PMSNBC so I have to ask if they preface comments and releases from SEIU with "the left-wing union SEIU." No? Wow, what a shock.
How did you feel about lefty soliders who deserted because they thought Bush was an illegitimate president?
People can’t get away with ignoring orders in the military, regardless of their political belief. If people could pick and choose what orders they followed, the entire system would break down.
This shouldn’t be applauded, regardless of partisan stances. This guy royally deserves his forthcoming courtmartial.
I don’t accept the fraudulent Marxist as anything other than a criminal.
we all have our own opinions now don’t we.....
If the bastard wants to command the military,
Then the bastard can provide his credentials.
Otherwise, he can go self copulate.
seems the posts so far are in his favor....they must share my opinion....+
Many on this forum are of the opinion that this is merely Don Quixote on his mad quest, I believe that this is a man with principles willing to put all on the line for his belief.
You'd better be prepared to draw a line somewhere, beyond which orders must be ignored and cannot be followed. At least, that's what *our own* government said at the Nuremburg Trials. If it applied to the SS, it applies to us just as well.
I agree. Just prepare yourself for the coming flaming you'll receive.
“Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief because Lakin believes the president was not born in the United States.”
I don’t see what legal ground the guy has to stand on. Whether obama meets the requirement or not, currently he is the commander in chief and the doc signed the bottom line to follow orders, period.
because Lakin believes the president was not born in the United States.
On the msnbc website today it reads “...because Lakin believes (incorrectly) the president was not born in the United States.”
Nonsense! This officer is a hero. Our military is there to protect America. BHO is dismantling our military, coddling our enemies, throwing our allies under the bus. BHO doesn’t even acknowledge Radical Islam. If you don’t know your enemy, then how can you fight it? BTW, I do think BHO understands our enemies all to well for obvious reasons.
BHO is also busy dismantling our strategic nuclear deterrent as well as our ballistic missile defense systems. He is NOT my CINC! Not now not EVER!
If it's good enough for Congress...
Your hypothetical process about "the system" began over a year ago, and it wasn't disturbed individuals who initiated it.
On second thought...
Hear! Hear! THE MAN!
The Lt. Col has a death wish or is the most principled officer in the US Military. Sadly, no matter which it is the outcome will be the same.
if obama does not meet the criteria to legitimatly be the president than the orders are not lawful....
let the man put an end to this and just prove who he is....
No it does not. It says he is to follow lawful orders from a legitimate commander and to uphold the Constitution. Not just anyone can tell this guy what to do.
This pre-supposes that the orders are “legal”.
I don’t think he signed anything that said he’s obligated to obey illegal orders.
“Brave man. This is a career-ender, no matter what. I sincerely pray that he isnt throwing himself onto his sword for nothing.”
*** Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin ... ***
A doctor? I suspect the man will be ok regardless of how this all shakes out.
Hypothetically, let's just say the issue was not where O was born, or the status of his citizenship, but merely his age...let's say that there was some doubt as to whether or not Obama met the Constitutionally mandated 35 years, and yet Congress went ahead and certified the election results. He might be serving in the capacity of "Commander in Chief", and issuing orders as such, but the legitimacy of the orders is in question...LTC Lakin is doing what he should do if in doubt, and that is merely requesting authentifcation.
If a platoon leader received a tactical order over the radio from a person that sounded like his company commander, but was using the wrong call sign, he'd request authentification, and rightfully so. That's all LTC Lakin is doing.
In a sense, I understand what you are saying, except..........no one in the military has to obey an order that he/she feels is illegal. The problem comes in with trying to prove it is illegal. He is taking a big chance and I’m sure he wouldn’t be doing this if he didn’t believe he was right.
I'm going to have to tell him that, in the near future, he might be ordered to move against decent American citizens who are simply standing up for their rights. It is the truth, he must be made aware of it if he hasn't thought of it already, and it's one Hell of a sad state of affairs!
The founders of the USA risked everything. The US Military is being pawned in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have the Muslim Brotherhood all through the US govt now and intel is probably being fed back to the Taliban and Al Qeada to kilol our troops.
Keep watching TV with the rest of the sheep and serfs.
Col. Gordon Roberts who “confronted Lankin” has an interesting background, not to take away from his MoH, etc.:
“Following his first enlistment in the Army, Roberts attended the University of Dayton and received a bachelors degree in sociology in 1971. He married and became the father of a son and a daughter. After eighteen years as a social worker, he returned to the Army and received a direct commission as an officer. He then came on Active Duty in 1991. His past assignments include; 8 years of company and field grade command assignments in Korea, Fort Bragg, Haiti, Fort Gordon and Iraq as well as staff assignments at Hunter Army Airfield, Fort Benning, Kuwait. He is presently serving as Brigade Commander for Walter Reed Army Medical Center.”
Being a doctor under Obamacare is going to be a court martial anyway.
the UCMJ allowes one to NOT obay an UNLAWFUL order.
Yes, and Obama royally deserves to be forced to show his credentials.
Oh Yeah...well, well, that was different
Well, let’s supposed that this guy wins, obama is proven to not be eligible for president and is removed from office (which I am not sure there is a legal way to do), do we really want bidden in there?
I must assume that the above was not meant directly for me.
Will this open the door for more? Could you imagine if there were 50 of these guys doing this at the same time?
Until someone steps forward with proof and takes it to court and wins the Marxist remains president.....Bad taste in mouth and all. I admire the Colonel but he is throwing his career away.
Maybe he wants a head start on a private practice...with free advertising.
They will not do it. It might expose Obama.
You may have taken an oath which included the president but your oath to the Constitution is supreme!
You are 100% wrong. The military is trained (and regulations mandate) that it has an obligation to disobey unlawful orders. The burden of proof falls on the person who disobeys, but “I was only following orders” is no longer a valid excuse. If the LtCol honestly feels the president is not a lawful commander (and there’s a lot of recent news casting doubt on Obama’s citizenship), the LtCol is acting properly. On the other hand, he will very likely pay a heavy price for his decision. Just because people are supposed to disobey unlawful orders doesn’t mean the system isn’t going to come down hard on them when they do.
I believe “he considers orders to be illegal” is an incorrect statement. The good Lt Col, like the rest of us, doesn’t know. To quote Shakespeare, “there’s the rub.”
Yes, I want Biden. A natural-born fool, yes, but natural-born. Our fool.
If in good conscience he believes orders from 0bama are unlawful, he is required by law to not follow them. Clearly, the Constitution was violated when 0bam did not prove if he was a natural born citizen.
He may be. I don't know. But if he isn't then he isn't legitamately the POTUS. Which would mean all orders and directives from 0bama would be illegal. The LtCol has the right and moral obligation to request clarification of orders he may believe are illegal.
Questioning and refusing illegal orders is pounded into the military's head again and again and again ad nauseum.
A $12 records check would solve this; yet 0bama has chosen to spend over $1,000,000 in legal fees sealing evidence required of him by the Constitution. If the LtCol is wron and 0bama is a natural born citizen, the LtCol is STILL in the RIGHT for requestion clarification of orders that may have been illegal. "I was just following orders," didn't work at Nuremburg and it doesn't work in the US.
And frankly, I'd trust the word an honor of the last living Medal of Honor recipient still on Active Duty over our Ditherer in Chief any day.
You may agree with COgamer, but you, too, are absolutely incorrect. A military member has an OBLIGATION to disobey unlawful orders.
I’m not stating Obama isn’t eligible to be commander in chief. I want to make it clear that I don’t necessarily agree with the LtCol, but he’s acting correctly if HE believes the president’s orders are unlawful.
I would rather have anyone in office besides this Marxist who is destroying America.
Sooooooooooooo, being ordered to another base is unlawful? I am just ask'n.
Indeed, it should be applauded.
Nothing reveals truth better than courageous individuals.