Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Iceland Volcano Spreading Chaos (Videos)
MensNewsDaily.com ^ | April 16, 2010 | Roger F. Gay

Posted on 04/16/2010 8:12:07 AM PDT by RogerFGay

The spread of ash from the active volcano in Iceland is expected to get worse over the weekend. It is already creating chaos, shutting down British air traffic and disrupting Scandinavian.

Click through to article for YouTube videos and live feed from Iceland.


(Excerpt) Read more at mensnewsdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalwarming
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-51 next last
To: Ben Mugged

Wait! Normal clouds will show up on radar, but a cloud of ash and dust from a volcano doesn’t show up? I find that a tad bit hard to believe.


21 posted on 04/16/2010 8:38:49 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: RogerFGay

Flights cancelled into and out of Britain and Scandinavia and mysteriously the world seems to be a better place.. much less bull sperm going around in the newspapers and a generally feeling of well being..


22 posted on 04/16/2010 8:38:59 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Frantzie
I think some of the particles beyond the plume are there and cannot be seen.

Neither can the plumes caused by sandstorms although the sand is carried to 36,000 feet and sometimes spread all the way from Africa to Florida. If it is not dense enough to be seen, doesn't seem to be much of a threat. Of the hundreds of aircraft that have flown in and around volcanic ash plumes the few reporting issues were in high density concentrations.

23 posted on 04/16/2010 8:42:15 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: statered

Yes. Global temperatures will drop and next winter will be wetter than this past winter in many places. The last time this volcano erupted (early 1800’s) New Jersey had a record snowfall. Of course, other areas will experience drought conditions.


24 posted on 04/16/2010 8:42:18 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: xjcsa

Yup, I was thinking the same thing. I don’t know about Ben Mugged, but I certainly don’t want to be traveling on an airplane that encounters volcanic ash.

“Hey Hon! Look out the window. It looks like the engines have stopped!”


25 posted on 04/16/2010 8:43:16 AM PDT by ushr435
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: SoldierDad
Wait! Normal clouds will show up on radar, but a cloud of ash and dust from a volcano doesn’t show up? I find that a tad bit hard to believe.

That is what is being reported. The news folks said it was because radar reflects off water and not off ash. Wouldn't surprise me, radar is temperamental about what it "sees".

26 posted on 04/16/2010 8:45:10 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: statered
Serious question here...does anyone have any guesses to what extent this event might impact temps in Europe and possible the globe this summer?

I was reading the comments on another forum where there are a large percentage of English and European responders. One of the comments caught my eye. It seems the air in England and northern Europe is extremely clear even though the volcano is spitting stuff out. The visible portion of the plume seems to be going north of England and in the direction of Norway.

Several people have commented on how clear the sky is and are attributing that to the fact no airplanes are flying. And so they are rather glad the airports are shut down because their air is so much cleaner. Don't they realize that volcano will spit more garbage into the sky in one day the one year of airplanes flying?

And nobody that I have found has asked what is the carbon footprint of the volcano.

27 posted on 04/16/2010 8:46:46 AM PDT by ProudFossil
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: RushIsMyTeddyBear; statered
Right now the eruptions heights do not suggest intrusion into the furthest reaches of earth's atmosphere. Though that could change with future eruptions from eyjaf or if it did indeed awaken Katla. That would mean minimal impact on reflective qualities needed for Volcano induced atmospheric cooling.

Globally, such as the winds are in the northern latitudes, 70N would seem to be the area that would be effected this summer and onwards. The southern Hemisphere should be protected by normal earth rotation and wind patterns.

28 posted on 04/16/2010 8:47:17 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Ben Mugged

I’m thinking that the main ash cloud should be visible to radar due to the density of the cloud. I could understand that the edges of the cloud would not be visible. But, then, just avoid the main cloud.


29 posted on 04/16/2010 8:47:41 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: ProudFossil
And nobody that I have found has asked what is the carbon footprint of the volcano.

Al Gore: "What? Volcanoes have a carbon footprint? We must regulate them!"

30 posted on 04/16/2010 8:49:18 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Ben Mugged

About flying through a volcano plume — it really is dangerous. Much of what a volcano spews is silica. It doesn’t show up on radar and you can’t see it. Fly through at 500 mph and it’s like getting sandblasted. It has been known to remove the paint from airliners...


31 posted on 04/16/2010 8:51:14 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SoldierDad
I’m thinking that the main ash cloud should be visible to radar due to the density of the cloud

Radar "sees" by reflecting off an object. Could be that this material "absorbs" the radar energy rather than reflecting it and therefore would not be seen by the radar receiver. Same way radar absorbent material on stealth fighters works.

32 posted on 04/16/2010 8:51:53 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: duckworth
Much of what a volcano spews is silica. It doesn’t show up on radar and you can’t see it. Fly through at 500 mph and it’s like getting sandblasted. It has been known to remove the paint from airliners

Sand is also silica and sandstorms over North Africa dump many tons of the stuff into the atmosphere between Africa and the Caribbean. Aircraft fly through it all the time although the density is low. I don't think it is the presence of silica in the atmosphere but the density of silica that creates the problem.

33 posted on 04/16/2010 8:57:26 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Ben Mugged

I suppose that’s possible. But, with satellite imagery they can see the path of the ash cloud. Should be able to reroute flights based upon that.


34 posted on 04/16/2010 8:59:15 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: SoldierDad

I agree. Avoid high density concentrations and flight is safe. Reroute the airliners to a more southerly route and get on with life.


35 posted on 04/16/2010 9:02:05 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: statered

Still searching for any projections on the movement of these ash clouds. i.e. Will they just fall to earth or circle the globe and affect all air travel.

I cannot imagine this stuff is healthy to breathe, especially for asthmatics and COPD patients. Remembering Mt. Helens and the gas masks.


36 posted on 04/16/2010 9:03:27 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ushr435
I certainly don’t want to be traveling on an airplane that encounters volcanic ash.

The ash not only affects the engines, but the larger particles act like sandpaper on the windshield making it clouded - a modern jetliner travels at approximately 900 KPH so it does not take much grit in the clouds to make a mess.

Many instruments are also damaged by the even smaller particles - not to mention the engine damage.

37 posted on 04/16/2010 9:06:24 AM PDT by Bon mots
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Ben Mugged
Over 4000 hours in various aircraft including B52, KC135, T37, and T38. USAF Retired. Want to compare resumes?

Touche. I worked several years in airline ground ops, but I'm not a pilot. Perhaps you can educate me then.

Obstacles to your plan, as I see it:

-All eastbound flights would have to leave the US at dawn in order to make Europe by dusk, given 8-ish hours in the air and 5-ish hours of time zone change, depending on the cities.

Leaving the US at dawn would make it impossible for passengers connecting into the international hub city (the majority of the international passengers) to catch the international flight, since flights don't leave the "spoke" cities at 3am.

-The aircraft would have to overnight in Europe, since it would not be able to get back past Iceland before dark, thus reducing each aircraft to doing a one-way trip per day instead of the current round-trip per day.

Beyond these logistical issues, is it really acceptable to just take off and figure you'll "find a way around it" by sight? Is the plume small enough to fly around, or do you have to make sure you pass Iceland on the right side so you don't get stuck on the north/south side of the plume?

I'm not sure anyone's saying that it's impossible to fly A plane to or from Europe right now (after all, AF1 is planning to make the trip). But the obstacles involved for anything resembling normal airline operations seem quite high.

Back to your resume - how much experience do you have making an airline run smoothly?

38 posted on 04/16/2010 9:06:45 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Ben Mugged

I’d really hate to be in Iceland, or to the east of Iceland, and trying to fly home right now.


39 posted on 04/16/2010 9:08:07 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Ben Mugged

Are helicopters affected - or do those blades blow the ash away?

Don’t laugh;) It’s a serious question;)


40 posted on 04/16/2010 9:09:09 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-51 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson