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Arizona to allow concealed weapons without permit
hosted ^ | Apr 16 | PAUL DAVENPORT and JONATHAN J. COOPER

Posted on 04/16/2010 3:58:22 PM PDT by JoeProBono

PHOENIX (AP) -- Republican Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill making Arizona the third state allowing people without a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

The bill she signed Friday afternoon takes effect 90 days after the current legislative session ends. That likely will put the effective date in July or August...

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KEYWORDS: arizona; banglist; concealedweapons; gun; janbrewer; jpb

1 posted on 04/16/2010 3:58:23 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: HiJinx

2nd Amendment PING!


2 posted on 04/16/2010 4:02:03 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: JoeProBono

Hubba hubba!

Now I won’t have to renew my AZ Concealed Carry Permit.


3 posted on 04/16/2010 4:02:58 PM PDT by webschooner
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To: JoeProBono

Just like Vermont. Yay!!!


4 posted on 04/16/2010 4:03:05 PM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: JoeProBono

Welcome to Freedom!


5 posted on 04/16/2010 4:06:15 PM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: SandRat

6 posted on 04/16/2010 4:06:15 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SandRat
45 automatic PING!
7 posted on 04/16/2010 4:11:26 PM PDT by JustTheTruth (States Rights: Save Our Freedom.)
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To: JoeProBono
Very interesting.

I'm suspecting that the 2A community will be active in promoting optional low cost private education and training for those interested.

The open carry 2A group has made a large contribution to responsible and disciplined carry open or concealed.

8 posted on 04/16/2010 4:11:51 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: JoeProBono

Jan Brewer for President.


9 posted on 04/16/2010 4:13:21 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

10 posted on 04/16/2010 4:15:09 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Retired Greyhound

What is it with Arizona and female governors?

But I have to say, Jan Brewer looks like a “keeper”!


11 posted on 04/16/2010 4:15:44 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: JoeProBono
AS IT SHOULD BE!

Keeping and bearing arms is a God-given HUMAN RIGHT. You should no more need a "permit" to enjoy this right no more than you should need a permit to post a website or print a newspaper.

12 posted on 04/16/2010 4:16:41 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: JoeProBono

The great state of Arizona


13 posted on 04/16/2010 4:24:43 PM PDT by Pajama Blogger
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To: JoeProBono

It seems to me letting folks carry without a permit is close to anarchy. Do they prohibit convicted felons from owing and carrying? How about folks with mental problems? Requiring someone to go through the process required to obtain a permit allows some degree of control to weed out folks that really should not be allowed to carry a concealed weapon.


14 posted on 04/16/2010 5:04:35 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: JoeProBono

Juan McInsane is deeply disturbed at this news.


15 posted on 04/16/2010 5:05:24 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: hoosierham

16 posted on 04/16/2010 5:08:25 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: antidemoncrat

Are you really OK with your rights being rationed?

Defend some rights, but demand restrictions on others, rendering them a mere privilege?

Prior to certain Jim Crow laws and the Nazi Weapons law of 1938 being adopted as the “Gun Control Act of 1968”, etc. unconstitutional permits were not needed by American citizens.

I am certain the law specifically prohibits carry by “Prohibited Persons”, which would include felons and the mentally ill.

Do you actually think that allowing more law abiding Americans to exercise this constitutional right is going to affect the number of felons or mentally ill who ignore the law?

If this is anarchy, we need more of it!


17 posted on 04/16/2010 5:21:01 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: JoeProBono

Typical. the article fails to clearly state weather of not visitors will also be allowed concealed without a permit.

Pertinent to me, as I will no longer have CCW reciprocity via my Nevada permit.


18 posted on 04/16/2010 5:26:28 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: JoeProBono

God rest her soul.


19 posted on 04/16/2010 5:37:58 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: JoeProBono

Yeah I could not agree with this more. CCW is better than nothing but to respect the Constitution this is the way to go.


20 posted on 04/16/2010 5:40:49 PM PDT by therut
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To: Loyal Sedition

21 posted on 04/16/2010 5:42:23 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Stentor

22 posted on 04/16/2010 5:43:10 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: antidemoncrat
You still need a handgun permit. This new law only means that you don't need a separate and special permit to carry it concealed.
23 posted on 04/16/2010 5:48:25 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: JoeProBono

About time these laws got passed. We have a right to defend ourselves. That means acquiring any weapon we can acquire legally (without stealing from someone or otherwise infringing upon their rights).

How is a CPL not an infringement?

The scary people whom people worry about at night are carrying and have been carrying and don’t care about your CPL requirements. They probably couldn’t legally acquire a firearm in the first place, but they have them.


24 posted on 04/16/2010 5:55:39 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: antidemoncrat

You know, Alaska has had this kind of law for some time - no problems.

Mental types, thugs and so on - they had guns before and still do, at least now I don;t have to worry about being busted for being at least as well armed the punk on the street.

Permits do not equal “safet” any more than doctors licenses mean a cure for your ills.


25 posted on 04/16/2010 6:23:57 PM PDT by ASOC (In case of attack, tune to 640 kilocycles or 1240 kilocycles on your AM dial.)
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To: SunTzuWu

You still need a handgun permit. This new law only means that you don’t need a separate and special permit to carry it concealed.


Not true.

You do not need a handgun “permit” to own a handgun in AZ.

Before this, anyone could open carry, just not concealed.

Now anyone will be able to conceal carry without any permit, just like Vermont and Alaska.


26 posted on 04/16/2010 7:29:17 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: chaosagent

Wow! AZ, VT and AK sound better all the time.


27 posted on 04/16/2010 9:28:53 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: antidemoncrat

<< It seems to me letting folks carry without a permit is close to anarchy. Do they prohibit convicted felons from owing and carrying? How about folks with mental problems? Requiring someone to go through the process required to obtain a permit allows some degree of control to weed out folks that really should not be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. >>

In Arizona, 100% of the law-abiding population has always had a Constitutional right to carry openly. Until a 1990 court decision, conclealed carry was also considered a Constitutionally protected right. Only 2% (about 150K) of the population has chosen to obtain a CCW permit since the permit system began in 1994. The rest carry openly.

Prohibited possessors (felons, etc.) have always been prohibited from carrying firearms, yet that never stopped them.

The new law only allows adults (21 and over) to carry concealed without a permit. The law also states that if you are carrying concealed in the furtherance of a crime you face a felony.

You can still get a permit in Arizona. They are good for bypassing the NICS check when purchasing a firearm, carrying out of state, and carrying where booze is sold.


28 posted on 04/16/2010 9:46:27 PM PDT by Klaatu Barada Nikto
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To: Loyal Sedition

<< The article fails to clearly state weather of not visitors will also be allowed concealed without a permit.>>

No distinction is made between residents and visitors. If you are an adult and not a prohbibited possessor, you can carry openly or discretely in Arizona without a permit when this law becomes effective.

Currently, Arizona recognizes ALL permits from ALL U.S. jurisdictions.


29 posted on 04/16/2010 9:46:33 PM PDT by Klaatu Barada Nikto
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To: JoeProBono

RIP Melanie.


30 posted on 04/17/2010 9:55:59 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: SunTzuWu

Hopefully VT doesn’t...

They may have Constitutional Carry there too, but they also prohibit NFA firearms.


31 posted on 04/17/2010 9:57:36 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: antidemoncrat
Do they prohibit convicted felons from owing and carrying?

I used to think like you too. In fact, you could probably see me arguing the opposite in my posting history.

Someone convinced me otherwise though - if you are a convicted felon, you're in jail, right? After you leave jail, you've already paid your debt to society. Why do we feel it's right to deny those who already did their time their Constitutional rights?

32 posted on 04/17/2010 10:00:43 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: Dan Nunn
To me that would depend on what type of felony was committed. If it were a crime involving violence or use of a firearm, their right to carry ought to be forfeited.
33 posted on 04/17/2010 4:27:12 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: ASOC
The permits in Texas are more about education than anything else. Where it’s legal to carry, when it’s permitted to used deadly force, and how and when to use negoiation to defuse a situation. I’ve had a CWP for about 10 years and never regret going in every 4 years for a renewal class, if for nothing else to become familiar with changes in the laws.
34 posted on 04/17/2010 4:33:40 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Loyal Sedition

According to your line of reasoning, why should a person have to get a driver’s license? A car is usually less dangerous than a hand gun and yet people must take a test and prove they are mature and sane enough to drive a car on the highway. To me, a CWP is more about educating a person about the rights and responsibilities of conceal carry rather than limiting their right to carry.


35 posted on 04/17/2010 4:39:44 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: webschooner
Now I won’t have to renew my AZ Concealed Carry Permit.

Unless you want to keep the permit for reciprocity if you travel. No permit is required is here for concealed carry in AK but some people get it anyway just for that reason.

36 posted on 04/17/2010 11:55:14 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: antidemoncrat

I am the wrong person to take THAT tack with!

Unless engaged in Commercial driving, carrying passengers, such as a tour bus operator, we should not need a drivers licenses either.
The DL scheme is primarily about tax and control, safety is merely the excuse the public has been programmed to accept.

Out RIGHT to carry firearms, RIGHT to freely travel, RIGHT to petition the government, RIGHT to be secure in our possessions, RIGHT to vote, etc.
ALL of our RIGHTS are under attack from one faction or another, all are now constantly infringed.

Are you arguing that we should not be allowed to exercise any right without prior instruction and government approval, documented via a license?

Your letter to the editor (or post here) should only be allowed after you have passed a test and received a permit?
The class should include detailed scrutiny of your knowledge of word processing programs, sentence structure, spelling ability, libel laws, copyright, and your intent?
If you change your word processing program, or decide to use a typewriter, you should have to pass a new test?
This is what the Concealed Carry classes and permitting comes down to.

Despite media hysteria firearms are actually very simple devices, the basic safety rules are also very simple.
Very few people are going to carry a gun without having the ability to operate it, or an understanding of the basic tenets of self defense.

That a miniscule number of people MAY act foolishly is insufficient reason to deprive the majority of any RIGHT.

Lastly, cars are FAR more complex and dangerous to operate than firearms!
Do you worry every time another car approaches yours from the opposite direction?
Typical closing speeds exceed a hundred miles per hour, a crash would likely be fatal, yet you do this hundreds of times a day without a second thought.

Auto wrecks kill orders of magnitude more Americans than firearms misuse, despite those frequent test and licensing you support.


37 posted on 04/19/2010 1:11:20 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: Loyal Sedition

Loyal Sedition;
Sedition-an illegal action inciting resistance to lawful authority and tending to cause the disruption or overthrow of the government
Really? You sound like you are an anarchist. Tell me you are not.


38 posted on 04/19/2010 4:44:38 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat
You give me your definition of anarchist and then I will be able to give you a meaningful answer.

When it comes to the recent actions of congress I am clearly in opposition, as are many here. Does that make me a criminal, or just reasonably aware?

The handle is "Loyal Sedition", I tend more toward constitutional original intent and a strict reading, which no doubt make me a criminal anarchist in the Oboma-commie's eyes.

"No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and the name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose, since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it."
16th American Jurisprudence 2d, Section 177 late 2nd, section 256:

“The legitimate object of government is only “to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do for themselves … In all that, the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.” Abraham Lincoln.

"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague." - Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Orator --- 106-43 B.C.

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves." - Ronald Reagan

Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech." - Benjamin Franklin.

"You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence." -- Charles A. Beard

If I am an anarchist, I am in good company!

39 posted on 04/19/2010 9:16:51 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: Loyal Sedition

Only time will tell if this was a good idea. If it turns out bad, it will only give Holder more ammo (no pun intended) to declare gun ownership a crisis and needed to be controlled.


40 posted on 04/20/2010 9:08:39 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat

I am working with others here in Nevada to get the same type of Constitutional Carry enacted.

The country was better off before the true seditionist began dismantling our constitution.


41 posted on 04/20/2010 11:59:43 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: JoeProBono

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20pTnE767Gs

Clapton (with Jerry Portnoy on Harp) .44

“Ive worn my .44 so long, it’s made my shoulder sore...


42 posted on 04/27/2010 3:54:11 PM PDT by jessduntno ("If you want security, go to prison, you're fed, clothed, given medical. But...there's no freedom.")
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