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Man Who Shot, Killed Thief Charged
theindychannel.com ^ | 04/16/2010 | Staff

Posted on 04/16/2010 5:35:48 PM PDT by Abathar

INDIANAPOLIS -- A man who shot and killed a teenager who broke into his car was charged Friday with voluntary manslaughter.

Virgil Lucas, 17, was found dead of a gunshot wound to the chest on the front porch of a home in the 3500 block of East Morris Street early on April 9.

James Ingram, 30, who lives nearby, told police he returned home from work to find the teen breaking into his car, and confronted him with a gun.

Ingram's attorney said his client was merely attempting to hold Lucas for the police, but when the teen ran, Ingram fired several shots after him.

Ingram told police he didn't think he'd hit the teen until he was found dead in the neighborhood.

Police said that legally, loss of property is not enough to justify the use of deadly force.

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Too bad he didn't live in Texas.

Having had my stuff stolen on a number of occasions I really can't work up a tear for the perp.

1 posted on 04/16/2010 5:35:49 PM PDT by Abathar
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To: Abathar

Be glad you don’t live in Europe. I recently had a friend in Scotland who had her home broken into by a complete stranger. The police couldn’t arrest the man because she ‘had an unlocked front door’ I kid you not.


2 posted on 04/16/2010 5:39:42 PM PDT by Shaun_MD (Goldwater Conservative)
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Police said that legally, loss of property is not enough to justify the use of deadly force.

What kind of idiocy is this? This is practically an incentive to steal stuff. I'd give this guy a medal. Had he not been persecuted, he would have saved the taxpayers tons of money.

Hopefully the jury will act with more sanity than law enforcement.

3 posted on 04/16/2010 5:40:15 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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James Ingram will have to let a jury decide.

He should insist on a jury of his peers, burglary victims.

4 posted on 04/16/2010 5:41:49 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: pnh102

“What kind of idiocy is this?”

***

You can thank the liberals for it.


5 posted on 04/16/2010 5:41:59 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Abathar
Ingram's attorney said his client was merely attempting to hold Lucas for the police, but when the teen ran, Ingram fired several shots after him.

The correct statement would have been: "Ingram's attorney said his client was merely attempting to hold Lucas for the police, but when the career criminal launched an apparent attack, Ingram felt a justifiable fear for his life and fired several shots in self-defense, but the attacker turned away just as Ingram pulled the trigger the last time, and that shot hit the career criminal in the back," assuming that's what happened, of course.

6 posted on 04/16/2010 5:42:16 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Abathar
Speaking of Texas..(I'm assuming you live there) a few months ago there was a man,from TX, who witnessed some thieves trying to break in to his neighbors house and he called 911 and then proceeded to tell the operator he was going to have to shoot them and she was trying to convince him not to. But he did anyway...can't remember if he killed one or just wounded them. Did you hear about that or what happened to the guy?
7 posted on 04/16/2010 5:42:44 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: Abathar

Another golden opportunity to keep one’s mouth shut missed .


8 posted on 04/16/2010 5:43:21 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Abathar
Police said that legally, loss of property is not enough to justify the use of deadly force.

Criminals know this.

9 posted on 04/16/2010 5:44:32 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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...and THAT is the problem with living in densely populated areas: no room to quietly SOS.
10 posted on 04/16/2010 5:44:43 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (If Liberalism doesn't kill me, I'll live 'till I die!)
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To: Outlaw Woman

I believe he was not charged with any crime.


11 posted on 04/16/2010 5:47:09 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: pnh102

Property is money.

Money is labor.

Labor, stolen from the laborer, is slavery.

Therefore, property IS enough to justify deadly force, because to take someone’s property is to make them a slave for the benefit of the criminal.


12 posted on 04/16/2010 5:47:28 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: 21twelve

That’s good to hear. ty.


13 posted on 04/16/2010 5:49:08 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

That happened right up the road from my house. He killed them both and the police didn’t wanna charge him, but under pressure from latino groups and the black panthers, they caved...but when it came before a grand jury the didn’t indict(IIRC)...I’m sure the police & prosecutor did a piss poor job presenting the evidence b/c none of them wanted him convicted....oh and the 2 guys he shot were illegals...


14 posted on 04/16/2010 5:50:20 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Am I the only one that forgets I'm not on FB & tries to "like" freeper comments?)
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To: Abathar

The detail that makes me think twice about this case is that the perp appears to have been unarmed and running away when shot.

Shooting him to stop him breaking in, stealing, or harming someone - yes, absolutely, but shooting him in the back while he’s unarmed and running away without having harmed anyone or actually stolen anything.... I don’t know, just doesn’t sit right with me.


15 posted on 04/16/2010 5:52:51 PM PDT by AussieJoe
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To: FLAMING DEATH; fatnotlazy

And here’s the kicker... if law enforcement was doing its job the perp might have had a few less holes in him.


16 posted on 04/16/2010 5:53:53 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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God’s idiocy....even in the Bible God didn’t justify the killing of a thief breaking in your home....unless it was at night b/c u couldn’t be clear of their motives....to God, life is more valuable than property...

Your thoughts??

Don’t flame me, I’m as pro-death penalty as they get....


17 posted on 04/16/2010 5:54:05 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Am I the only one that forgets I'm not on FB & tries to "like" freeper comments?)
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well fact is he shot him in the back (he was running away)
So as long as you don´t live in texas he shot an unarmed person who was running away and this is a crime.


18 posted on 04/16/2010 5:55:34 PM PDT by darkside321
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God also said "thou shalt not steal." And how did the victim know that the perp was only intending to steal from him? Of course it is very easy to assume that after the fact the perp wasn't going to attack the victim, but how is the victim to know?

Throughout the Old and New Testaments, both God and Jesus tell us that we must be prepared to defend ourselves against those who would attack us.

There should be no reason to NOT use maximum force against a perp if you feel your life is in danger.

19 posted on 04/16/2010 6:00:46 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: DrewsMum

O no kidding? Thanks for the extra information. Very interesting. Were you home at the time?


20 posted on 04/16/2010 6:03:37 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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