Posted on 04/18/2010 3:02:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
How do you know? I think I heard they were counting cases as swine flu without tests, just to get the swine flu numbers up.
Check Google : http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/28/regular.flu/index.html
Swine flu ended up being fairly mild by comparison.
I am waiting to fly back to Germany and am scheduled on a flight tomorrow.
I dunno, flying a few planes around and deeming the airspace safe doesn’t exactly inspire a great deal of confidence.
I’ve studied pandemic stuff for a few years. Here’s the short answer:
There is no seasonal flu anywhere except possibly in east Asia there is some flu B circulating. All the flu type A is swine, in teh whole world.
Tests are currnetly not very reliable - the instant kind especially. There have been many cases of “negative” for flu, later upon autopsy or when in ICU, lung tissue is taken showing swine flu. When the viruses are sequenced in a lab then they can find out exactly what it is. All flus sequenced in labs for at least 6 months or more are all swine. Other than some in east Asia, and as far as info from China, who the heck knows, they’re liars.
The CDC and WHO are not trying to get swine numbers up, they’ve been covering up the whole time - reducing number, inflating the seasonal flu deaths so this doesn’t look so bad, etc. On average maybe 50 children to 100 at the most die a year from flu. Since swine started, at least 5,000 children have died. At least. This is in the US.
The real, tested number of seasonal flu deaths according to figures given by the CDC to the American Lung Association average about 1000 a year. The 36,000 number is totally bogus, it just means more old people die in the winter than in the summer, and it’s not based on any actual cases.
The CDC admitted a few weeks about that around 7,000 to 18.000 people have died in the US from swine - gosh, about 6 weeks ago, and there is no doubt this is underestimating. The goal of the CDC and WHO is not to scare people - but to soothe people.
I actually had it twice and it can often affect the CNS and cause all kinds of very terrible symptoms that are not at all like regular flu. After the first bout I could not use my R arm for about 6 months. Still recuperating from the second bout, got it in Oct. This thing evades the immune system and people can get it more than once. Same thing with vax - it’s not very effective and people have gotten swine after getting the vax. If another wave comes up, it may be worse, may not, but I do not ever want to get it again.
The idea that they inflated the danger is the exact opposite of what has been going on. The CDC has hired Ogilvy - an advertising agency - and Peter Sandman, a “risk communicator” who has worked for (brain fog.. can’t remember the name) that chemical company that had a factory in India that blew up and killed and crippled so many people? Anyway, Sandman has worked for the CDC (on our dime of course), and his wife, same deal - has worked for the WHO, to help create a soothing message to “minimize outrage and fear” in the population.
I know this from many, many hours of study.
See my comment to Wissa above, please.
Well, since I’ve not had it, I will assume that you are right. I do still think that the Swine Flu was overblown as to deaths. You may be right that diagnosis was questionable though...
Short straw flies?
I’m an herbalist with a long time interest in health, natural healing and so on. I’ve been a member of a forum which discusses pandemics and flu in depth, since ‘06 and at times I’ve spent most of my online time there. I have a blog about it as well.
It’s a real danger, although certainly not as bad as the 1918-20 pandemic, but it isn’t over. If it exchanges genetic material with H5N1, which is a possiblity, then it could be very bad.
The idea that the CDC and WHO tried to exaggerate the danger is so off it’s pathetic. They’ve been doing, and continue to do, the exact opposite. Right now there is a cluster of people with H5N1 in Viet Nam the docs there are very nervous, they’ve had lots of experience with human H5N1 over the years - adn the WHO has said practically nothing about it. Think of it this way - the former head of the WHO was a nice guy who was concerend about how SARS had been handled, died suddenly on the podium and was replaced with a ChiCom low level doc who had been responsible for the SARS screwup in China.
Hmm.
You should be OK. just remember your seat can act as a flotation device.. that's at the beer hall. 8-]
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Well, I’m sure you are sincere, but you like many others in the field seem to be pushing a non-fact. I can understand that you have experienced some things that were not public, but really, the death rate just does NOT back up your statements.
So... If an epidemic does break out and it is a variation of the Swine flu, then I will look back and read your comments with more interest...however, please don’t push things that just have not happened.
The simple fact is that the Swine flu turned out to be a normal flu as it pertains to problems and death. It might migrate into another more serious strain later - but it has not. If that happens, then we can start to worry again...
What death rate are you referring to? The death rate of 36,000 flu deaths a year is not based on actual flu deaths. The figures I quoted (rounded off) are actual tested flu deaths the CDC sent to the American Lung Association over several years, around 10 years, stopped giving them out a few years ago. The numbers ranged from around 600 to highest one year of 1200. These mean tested actual real flu deaths. And 50 to 100 at the most, child deaths.
It is not at all like a normal flu in several ways.
1. Regular flu, when it kills, primarily kills old people - 90% of flu fatalities are over 60.
2. Swine flu has greatly spared the elderly and kills children, young people and vigorous adults.
3. Many people who have survived spent long periods of time in hospitals in ICU and many have long term sequelae. This very, very rarely happens with regular flu.
4. Swine flu can and does - and not rarely - cause CNS disturbances including meningitis and encepalitis. Brain swelling, paralysis and other motor difficulties can and have happened, including total paralysis and blindness. How often does this happen with regular flu?
5. Swine flu often attacks the heart, liver and kidneys - kidney failure has been pretty common with those who have been hospitalized. How often does this happen with regular flu?
The figures issued by the CDC are literally all over the place - I read the transcripts of their pronouncements and the press releases and updates. They’re literally all over the place. They are not un-political. The figures I wrote up above are not pulled out of my own imagination.
I am not pushing things that have not happened, I am reporting things that have happened. Just because it is not reported in the MSM, people are loathe to delve deeper. Well, the MSM isn’t exactly the place to get the real story on 0bama either.
Yes, I remember reading that it affected younger and healthier children and adults - but, they were not even testing most for the flu, much less what strain it was. You may be right, but the poor statistics were the result of poor decisions and follow up by the CDC. Not really sure what to believe these days.
I know what you mean. Unfortunately the CDC and WHO are trading on peoples’ trust - but they have misused that trust. If you are interested, I can post a couple of links connected with a forum I viist, started by a molecular biologist of some sort, he writes about scientific stuff in a way *even I* can understand. And I appreciate that!
And btw, the CDC admist that at least in North and South America, there is no other flu besides swine. It’s driven out all other A type flu, which typically happens when there is a totally new strain of flu going into the human population.
Hadn’t heard that other flu had been driven out - but also haven’t heard about any major flu problems of any kind.
Yes, the CDC and probably the WHO blew this problem out of proportion and have now caused a casual approach to it. If it really does erupt into a major problem, I blame them.
Thanks, good info.
I got this by email today - I know it’s kooky - but it ties in with the whole - this is not like real flu.
ONe of the things the CDC did really wrong (they did a lot wrong) is puff up the bogus “36,000 a year die from flu” beacause it is just plain bogus. IMO they did it to ramp up vaccine participation. Why, one might ask, would they do that?
Well, Julie Gerberding, the head of the CDC who recently left, went to work for Merck, in the vaccine department...
So they got stuck with this supposedly huge number of deaths every year, and compared to that, the smaller numbers from swine flu they trotted out looked like nothing. Of coures, they MINIMIZED those numbers so the failing economy would not take a hit. They never tried to blow up the swine flu, they minimized it since the beginning. Didn’t want to mess up people shopping and racking up the CCs. If the actual numbers of deaths (so far) from swine flu and regular seasonal flu were made known, people would be very surprised.
Many hospitals were so full of flu patients that they have said if another wave happens that is any worse they won’t be able to take care of patients. It hits pregnant women especially hard, many of have died. It’s amazing that the MSM does not cover swine flu with accuracy; actually it’s not amazing. They’re just a mouthpiece of the administration, who wants people to keep shopping and watching TV peacefully.
In the pandemic that started in 1918, the gov did the same thing. Public health officials used a code when telegraph operators sent news, so the operators would not know how bad the pandemic was. Before they instituted the code, the telegraph operators were passing on the very bad news of flu deaths and sickness. The Public Health guys lied then, and they’re lying now. SOP.
I tried the link but it started with a huge loud ad which I can’t stand. That might be the EU times that isn’t really from Europe. Maybe you could copy/paste? If you don’t want it on the thread you could PM it to me. I’ll probably know what kind of article it is (bogus, truthful, exaggerated, etc) or I can find out.
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