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Alleged robber killed in shooting near downtown (CCW Holder)
wthr.com ^ | 4/19/2010 | Staff

Posted on 04/19/2010 3:56:14 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

Indianapolis - A man was shot and killed as he reportedly tried to rob an apartment on the near north side Sunday afternoon.

Metro police officers responded to a report of a person shot at an apartment building at 1503 N. Pennsylvania Street around 4 p.m. Sunday. When they arrived, they found an unidentified male lying in the third floor hallway with multiple gunshot wounds. Paramedics pronounced the man dead at the scene.

The 24-year-old shooter told police he and his girlfriend were helping another friend move into an apartment when they were approached by the shooting victim, who was asking for change for a five dollar bill. One of the men said they had change in the apartment.

As they walked into the building, the shooting victim pulled out a gun and ordered everyone into the back room. The shooter said he feared for their lives, so while walking to the back area of the apartment, he pulled out a gun he was carrying, turned and fired at the would be robber. It is unknown if the shooting victim fired any shots.

Police say the shooter had a permit to carry a handgun. He and the two other victims of the apparent attempted robbery were taken in for interviews and to give statements to police. No arrests have been made at this time.

"It appears, based on preliminary information, to have been a case of self-defense," IMPD Sgt. Matt Mount wrote in a release.

The would-be robber has not yet been identified, but police say he was wearing an ankle bracelet consistent with those issued for home detention.


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1 posted on 04/19/2010 3:56:14 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

More here:

http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/


2 posted on 04/19/2010 3:56:28 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Lesson here, you never know when you might need it and you won’t have much time.

Not sure I see where the CCW comes in though. He was on private property.


3 posted on 04/19/2010 4:00:01 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

He just wanted to make sure they didn’t short-change him.

Whenever bums ask me for anything like this, I tell them to back the **** off. You never know which one is wearing an ankle bracelet, if you know what I mean. This perp might not have looked like a bum though. So perhaps my system isn’t as foolproof as I thought.


4 posted on 04/19/2010 4:07:24 AM PDT by Feline_AIDS (http://youngandright.wordpress.com/)
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To: driftdiver

I think the CCW reference validates the shooter .. ie ... not a felon, passed the background, etc.


5 posted on 04/19/2010 4:08:42 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

Yup.


6 posted on 04/19/2010 4:10:07 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA
...they were approached by the shooting victim

I would prefer "unsuccessful criminal" myself. Picayune, I know. Good story.

7 posted on 04/19/2010 4:19:10 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: Feline_AIDS

“Whenever bums ask me for anything like this, I tell them to back the **** off. “

You’re too confrontational.

Whenever I need to walk thru a bum paradise, I clip coupons. Then when asked for change, the bum gets a Betty Crocker cake coupon or 50¢ off a case of Tampax. I’m 100 yards downwind before Mr. Bum realizes what he has, and I can barely hear the swearing.


8 posted on 04/19/2010 4:22:23 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Red in Blue PA

Great way to start the week, another low life dead.


9 posted on 04/19/2010 4:33:32 AM PDT by bikerman (Impeachment ! Has a nice ring to it dont you think?)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The would-be robber has not yet been identified, but police say he was wearing an ankle bracelet consistent with those issued for home detention.

Well that parole worked out really swell.

  1. Not supposed to leave his 'house' -- he did.
  2. Not supposed to have a firearm -- he did.
  3. Not supposed to commit any 'more' crimes -- he did.

Officials should find out who the brainiacs were that decided this mutt should be put back on the streets.

On second thought, forget that. The dopes would prolly get a promotion.

10 posted on 04/19/2010 4:42:51 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: knarf

“I think the CCW reference validates the shooter .. ie ... not a felon, passed the background, etc.”

The CCW is turning into a license to own and possess a firearm. The shooter doesn’t really need to validate anything in the press. He doesn’t really need to validate anything to the cops beyond he was attacked with deadly force and responded appropriately.

The story should read something like - Man and his girlfriend are helping their friends move, they are approached by another man who pulls a gun and threatens them. One of the movers uses a firearm to remove the threat, firing several accurate shots hitting the target center mass. The alleged kidnapper, thief was found to have an ankle bracelet for home detention and a criminal background. The alleged criminal died at the scene.


11 posted on 04/19/2010 4:58:50 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Not sure I see where the CCW comes in though. He was on private property.

It is called training and accessiblity to your firearm when you need it.

12 posted on 04/19/2010 5:05:28 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Red in Blue PA
....when they were approached by the shooting victim

Ah, yes... victimizing the criminal.

13 posted on 04/19/2010 5:07:09 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: ScottinVA

Yes, I caught that. “Shooting victim”, as opposed to worthless predatory POS that got a fatal dose of what he had coming to him.


14 posted on 04/19/2010 5:09:54 AM PDT by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“It is called training and accessiblity to your firearm when you need it. “

none of which require a CCW on private property.


15 posted on 04/19/2010 5:16:55 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
I misunderstood your statement regarding not getting the CCW reference.

In the letter of the law, I'm not allowed to carry ... but I carry.

16 posted on 04/19/2010 5:19:13 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: sergeantdave
“Whenever bums ask me for anything like this, I tell them to back the **** off. “

You’re too confrontational.

Whenever I need to walk thru a bum paradise, I clip coupons. Then when asked for change, the bum gets a Betty Crocker cake coupon or 50¢ off a case of Tampax. I’m 100 yards downwind before Mr. Bum realizes what he has, and I can barely hear the swearing.

Love it. I should probably just say "ask Obama. He's got all my money now."

17 posted on 04/19/2010 5:27:28 AM PDT by Feline_AIDS (http://youngandright.wordpress.com/)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I love cheerful good news stories like this!


18 posted on 04/19/2010 5:29:37 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Red in Blue PA
The would-be robber has not yet been identified, but police say he was wearing an ankle bracelet consistent with those issued for home detention.

Well, the 'jewelry' didn't keep the perp from committing more crime, but a well armed citizen sure did!

I love a happy ending!!!

19 posted on 04/19/2010 5:30:22 AM PDT by airborne ("It's a great day for hockey!" - 'Badger' Bob Johnson (RIP))
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To: Red in Blue PA

Good shoot!


20 posted on 04/19/2010 5:41:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"Alleged robber killed"

The purpose of using the word "alleged" is to protect an "innocent until proved guilty" criminal from a prejudiced jury pool. The press need not worry in this case.

21 posted on 04/19/2010 5:42:10 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Good! I can tell you that downtown Indy needs the trash taken out.


22 posted on 04/19/2010 5:50:05 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: knarf

‘In the letter of the law, I’m not allowed to carry ... but I carry.”

TMI, IMO if you’re not convicted of a violent felony you shouldn’t need a license or permission.


23 posted on 04/19/2010 5:58:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
No arrests have been made at this time.

Or are likely to be. It was a clean shoot.

24 posted on 04/19/2010 6:00:25 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("And the pony looked a little bored...")
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To: Red in Blue PA

“The shooter said he feared for their lives”

Magic words


25 posted on 04/19/2010 6:01:43 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: Red in Blue PA

“police say he was wearing an ankle bracelet consistent with those issued for home detention.”

The moral of the story is “when the law fails, freedom prevails”.


26 posted on 04/19/2010 6:16:23 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Royal Wulff
Magic words

Save them for the presence of your attorney.

27 posted on 04/19/2010 6:23:20 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Red in Blue PA
The would-be robber has not yet been identified, but police say he was wearing an ankle bracelet consistent with those issued for home detention.

Ya don't say?

This is a gigantic "WTF????" moment.

28 posted on 04/19/2010 6:26:04 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: driftdiver
none of which require a CCW on private property.

It is very unlikely the guy would have been carrying his weapon if he did not have a CCW. My assumptionis that he was carrying at the time. I'll go back and read the article more closely.

My point is this: If he had not had a CCW, received all the training required with a CCW, not been as in tune with his firearm because of lack of CCW, he would not have been able to protect his life nearly as effectively.

To your point about not needing a CCW on private property, of course you are correct.

29 posted on 04/19/2010 7:11:04 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: driftdiver
He was carrying as best as I can determine.

From the article: "...so while walking to the back area of the apartment, he pulled out a gun he was carrying, turned and fired at the would be robber."

30 posted on 04/19/2010 7:12:15 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Red in Blue PA
The response wasn't very nuanced. Clearly, the shooter should have sat down with this poor, disadvantaged gentleman to discuss the situation and reach a mutual understanding. A beer summit would have been nice, don't you think?

(It nauseates me to even type that stuff in jest...)

31 posted on 04/19/2010 7:19:03 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

my concern is that the CCW is turning into a defacto firearm license.


32 posted on 04/19/2010 7:22:56 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
my concern is that the CCW is turning into a defacto firearm license.

Not sure I entirely understand your point. Responsible people with proper CCW training is a good thing. Perhpas you could elaborate your view a bit.

33 posted on 04/19/2010 7:34:29 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: driftdiver
***my concern is that the CCW is turning into a defacto firearm license.***

And you are on a government list so the Obama types will know where to go to confiscate all the guns from the good guys.

Arizona just passed a law that you don't need a permit to carry concealed. Go Arizona!!!!

34 posted on 04/19/2010 7:43:10 AM PDT by GrannyAnn
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To: driftdiver

I have an Indiana CCW. Several points worth emphasizing:

1. No permit is required to purchase, own, transport, or carry a long gun, such as a rifle or shotgun. I can even carry an evil black “assault rifle” in my vehicle, or while hunting.

2. No permit is required to purchase or own a handgun. I can transport it to or from a range, or gunshop without a permit. I can carry it on my own property without a permit.

3. The only thing my CCW permit allows me to do is to carry my loaded handgun concealed on my person or in my vehicle. It does not permit me to carry it where firearms are prohibited by law, such as a school or government building.


35 posted on 04/19/2010 7:44:33 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("And the pony looked a little bored...")
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To: driftdiver
"TMI, IMO if you’re not convicted of a violent felony you shouldn’t need a license or permission"

I wasn't ... but even if ... God's grace is either sufficient .. or not.

My knowledge of our founding, superficial to basic understanding ... shows all crime dealt with swiftly and once punished, it was done.

As far as I can discern, society took care of weird or violent people without a law, and I think once the law of offense was satisfied, it was done.

36 posted on 04/19/2010 8:01:35 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Red in Blue PA
A man was shot and killed as he reportedly tried to rob an apartment

The apartment shot him?

37 posted on 04/19/2010 8:02:52 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Jagdgewehr

“unsuccessful criminal”
Too harsh. Such labeling will cause low self esteem and may lead to criminal activity. How about unregistered entrepreneur?


38 posted on 04/19/2010 8:06:26 AM PDT by GrannyAnn
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To: gunsequalfreedom

‘Not sure I entirely understand your point. Responsible people with proper CCW training is a good thing. “

Responsible people with firearm training is a good thing. A permit isn’t needed for any other Constitutionally protected right and a permit shouldn’t be required for a firearm.

If a person is dangerous to the community they should be in jail.

So many of these news articles on these types of events include “licensed gunowner” or “licensed firearm” when referring to a CCW holder. The press is not on our side and they are doing that for a reason.


39 posted on 04/19/2010 8:14:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GrannyAnn

I’m thinking of moving to AZ.


40 posted on 04/19/2010 8:14:35 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

OK, we are on the same page. Understand your point. Thanks for the clarification.


41 posted on 04/19/2010 10:40:34 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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