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John Paul Jones President Command Military with Pen Only. He May Cut the Throats of Citizens.
Life and character of the Chevalier John Paul Jones ^ | unknown | John Henry Sherburne

Posted on 04/21/2010 6:58:01 PM PDT by bushpilot1

"I am glad that the new constitution will be, as you tell me, adopted by the nine states.

I hope, however they will alter some parts of it; and particularly that they will divest the President of all military rank and command; for though General Washington might be safely trusted with such tempting power as chief command of fleet and army, yet depend on it, in some other hands it could not fail to overset the liberties of America.

The President should be only the first civil Magistrate, let him command the military with the pen; but deprive him of the power to draw his sword and lead them, under some plausible pretext, or under any circumstances whatever to cut the throats of a part of his fellow citizens, and to make him tyrant of the rest.

These are not my apprehensions alone, for I have mentioned them to many men of sense and learning since I saw you, and I have found them all of the same sentiment."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; johnpauljones; tyrant
This is part of JPJ's correspondence to General DE LA Layette. Located it while browsing in google books.

Since we have witnessed Obama's verbal attacks on the Tea Party movement and other numerous events thought it should be posted.

1 posted on 04/21/2010 6:58:01 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

Great find. We’ve survived so far with the system as it is. I doubt “the messiah” is ignorant enough to give such orders, he would not like the response of his commanders if he did.

It does provoke some thought however. I am continuously amazed at the prescience of our forefathers. It borders on the unreal.


2 posted on 04/21/2010 7:09:39 PM PDT by threepercenter
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To: bushpilot1

Was it the Whiskey Rebellion, where he did this very thing?


3 posted on 04/21/2010 7:12:42 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: bushpilot1
thanks for posting this, as an Australian I will be very interested in reading Freeper replies to this:

The President should be only the first civil Magistrate, let him command the military with the pen; but deprive him of the power to draw his sword and lead them, under some plausible pretext, or under any circumstances whatever to cut the throats of a part of his fellow citizens, and to make him tyrant of the rest.

4 posted on 04/21/2010 7:12:46 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: threepercenter
It does provoke some thought however. I am continuously amazed at the prescience of our forefathers. It borders on the unreal.

Human nature has not progressed. Indeed, with the current president, it seems to have backslid to the 7th century..

5 posted on 04/21/2010 7:14:42 PM PDT by Hardraade
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To: bushpilot1

Even though Washington was nearly above criticism, it was controversial when Washington, while President, personally led the Army against the Whiskey Rebellion.


6 posted on 04/21/2010 7:19:07 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: GeronL
no- Madison Square Garden- June, 1977....


7 posted on 04/21/2010 7:20:49 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Until it is free of all ambiguity Obama being a natural born citizen and based on John Paul Jones warnings, Congress should consider suspending Obama as commander in chief of the military.


8 posted on 04/21/2010 7:21:32 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

The military is forbidden from operating within our borders, which should address such issues. However, during the past years, we have seen those lines blurring.

Though I’m sure many wouldn’t follow orders to fire on US citizens, at the same time I fear that most of them would. I’m certain when that time comes, it will be ‘justified’ in some way.


9 posted on 04/21/2010 7:29:24 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: bushpilot1
Until it is free of all ambiguity Obama being a natural born citizen and based on John Paul Jones warnings, Congress should consider suspending Obama as commander in chief of the military.

Yes. And then we would all sleep safer in our beds.

10 posted on 04/21/2010 7:34:18 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: threepercenter
“It does provoke some thought however. I am continuously amazed at the prescience of our forefathers. It borders on the unreal.”

Well put. It is as if they are speaking from the grave.

11 posted on 04/21/2010 7:49:11 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: GeronL
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12 posted on 04/21/2010 7:49:43 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: dynachrome

They never did develop a good machine musket. lol


13 posted on 04/21/2010 7:54:14 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: KoRn

“The military is forbidden from operating within our borders, which should address such issues. However, during the past years, we have seen those lines blurring.”

We have also seen a great deal of militarization of police, and even private ‘security’ forces.


14 posted on 04/21/2010 8:01:39 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Is it sedition to defy usurpation?)
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To: bushpilot1

These men not only fought against tyranny but were commited to the people they free as they free themselves. This is the first rule of engagement.


15 posted on 04/21/2010 8:44:02 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

JPJ sure was a ruthless military leader..he had to be. His concerns were one day America being captured by tyrant and he did not want this to happen.

Have to wonder what JPJ would do if he was the current commander of the fleet.


16 posted on 04/21/2010 8:51:42 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

He’d certainly fire Mullen’s gay Chinese commi loving arse.

Our rules of engagement lose on the perception battle because they make the liberators appologetic instead of the liberators expecting to be welcomed by the liberated.

We have to build our confidence against tyranny, of making freedom happen and of knowing that we need to stick to the very guns that people will ultimately welcome in our hands as the FBI/fed run away scared from “banks too big to fail”, “from laws to entrenched in bureaucracy to be repealed”, “from illegals too many to be kicked out” etc...

It’s not the evil people we are after, but this evil religion which wants to manufacture people who have politicians way too much under their skins like a tattoo. They make the blind believe that they are inadequate and that thus anyone out to stop blindness is a hater of the blind who wants to turn them to the seeing.

Let us face it, liberals think women and people are too dum and to cowardly to pull the trigger against evil, and that is why they government jingoist fleshist whorocratic pimping behavior is going so far these days. To make health care slavery acceptable or enforced, they will accuse us of denying care to gay people, when it is the opposite, as it is also the opposite to usher them away from such destructive lifestyle as part of the health prevention of things. The pimps and sex predators on the internet turn kids against their parents, it is their trademark and it is the trademark of these professional pedophiles in government today.


17 posted on 04/21/2010 9:00:16 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

The leftists are saying the Founders could not have used Vattel’s Laws of Nations because the Founders were from England and did not speak a foreign language. They slander the Founders to cover for Obama.

Jefferson could read the classics in the Latin and Greek when he was a young boy.

One of Jeffersons older sisters passed at the age of 22..he wrote her a Latin epitaph...Ah, Joanna, puellarum optima....

They will resort anything to keep the secrets of Obama secret.


18 posted on 04/21/2010 9:35:22 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

So you think that Obama will move from words and verbal attacks (”the pen”) to a point where he will ...”draw his sword and lead them [the military], under some plausible pretext, or under any circumstances whatever to cut the throats of a part of his fellow citizens...”?

Do you believe that the military would follow such orders? Because that is the only way that Obama can become a tyrant. American citizens wouldn’t allow it willingly.


19 posted on 04/22/2010 1:07:39 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: bushpilot1

Where did you see Leftists arguing about Vattel’s Laws of Nations and the English language? I didn’t even believe that Leftists would be familiar with Vattel, much less put forward an argument concerning the Founders’ familiarity!


20 posted on 04/22/2010 1:12:09 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: bushpilot1

>>Have to wonder what JPJ would do if he was the current commander of the fleet.<<

Before he was an admiral, JPJ was a privateer(i.e., pirate). As an admiral, I think the Potomac would be unnavigable from the fleet parked there. As the Potomac is the primary source of water for DC, they might be have a problem.


21 posted on 04/22/2010 1:58:13 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: bushpilot1
Congress should consider suspending Obama as commander in chief of the military.

They can't. That role is assigned him by the Constitution. Article I, Section 2, unambiguous language, no room for waffles.

22 posted on 04/22/2010 2:19:50 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: bushpilot1
"The leftists are saying the Founders could not have used Vattel’s Laws of Nations because the Founders were from England and did not speak a foreign language. They slander the Founders to cover for Obama."

They can be refuted directly by one of the founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin.

There is no doubt that the Founding Fathers did not exclusively use the English translation, but relied upon the French original. On December 9th of 1775, Franklin wrote to Vattel’s editor, C.G.F. Dumas:

“ I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations. Accordingly, that copy which I kept has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author.”

23 posted on 04/22/2010 2:38:17 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert

They are saying..the 1760 book is in French..and the Founders were English and could not read it. They say the 1760 edition does not have the words natural born citizen. The words were added in an later English edition after the constitution was ratified.

I found Jefferson read Montesquieu’s Esprit des Lois. He copied into his notebook (in French) numerous quotations.


24 posted on 04/22/2010 2:51:26 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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I read a biography of this great sea warrior. He was all too human in many ways, but one thing few people know about him was his journy across the Baltic Sea [on his way to Russia].

Couldn’t find a link to get this nailed down — strictly from fuzzy memory:

Jones chartered a sloop if I recall. The Baltic began to freeze over, and they feared that their vessel would be trapped by ice. Jones had to hold them at gunpoint to keep sailing. After the vessel was locked by ice, he had to travel on foot the rest of the way. That alone was an epic adventure. FRegards ....


25 posted on 04/22/2010 6:14:37 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: bushpilot1

Thank you for this post. Adding to Monster Ping:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2496737/posts


26 posted on 04/22/2010 6:15:40 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: bushpilot1
"The leftists are saying the Founders could not have used Vattel’s Laws of Nations because the Founders were from England and did not speak a foreign language."

That's a totally silly and fallacious argument. One of the reasons Jefferson was chosen to his post in France is because he spoke fluent French along with Franklin. Why they chose Adams, I have no idea. He did not speak the language though he was a man who could get things done.
27 posted on 04/22/2010 7:48:24 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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