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Not Too 'Hip' and 'Edgy' for Censorship (or, "Please. Behead me last.")
National Review ^ | 04-24-10 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/24/2010 8:12:03 AM PDT by thouworm

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To: worst-case scenario
What a Straw Man argument. Comedy Central never said it was “hip,” or “edgy.”

Nonsense.

21 posted on 04/24/2010 8:46:18 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: bcsco; thouworm
Who's Mark Setyn?

One of Satin's minions...

22 posted on 04/24/2010 9:06:22 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 457 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: worst-case scenario

You are missing Steyn’s point. His point is that the polls show that Stewart / Comedy Central have captured the hip and edgy market for “those who list TV as their news source”. VH1 and MTV do not have news programs so they are irrelevant in this discussion. Date My Mom and Parental Control may be “hip”, but they aren’t a source for news.

The same executives who pay Stewart (and others) a lot o money to be hip and edgy with current events, could have been real hip with this current event. But they got scared.


23 posted on 04/24/2010 9:17:52 AM PDT by cpanter
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To: Grunthor
Through Terry Nichols’ associations with Ramsi Yousef in The Philippines. Bombmaking manuals in Yousef’s possession during his arrest in Pakistan detailed a nearly exact replica of that used in the OKC attack.

There's enough evidence to my satisfaction that ties all of these suspects together. One just has to dig a little, which the US government has ignored. Just follow Bill Clinton's nose.

24 posted on 04/24/2010 9:27:41 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: thouworm

“Everybody knows that when you say “I’m becoming very concerned about unsustainable levels of federal spending,” that’s old Jim Crow code for “Let’s get up a lynching party and teach that uppity Negro a lesson.” “

LOLOLOLOL!!!

I do adore Mark Steyn.


25 posted on 04/24/2010 9:53:25 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

LOL-— that’s the line that shouted out to me: Post this column as a thread.

His wit can wither any libtard argument and annihilate any marxist screed.


26 posted on 04/24/2010 10:19:33 AM PDT by thouworm
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To: thouworm; All
On the Tax Day Tea Party Rally in Grand Prairie Texas, I took video camera in hand and interviewed attendees. I did this knowing it would counter the media misrepresentaion of the Tea Partiers.

PLEASE FORWARD these links to anyone who has been lied to by the media and politicians about the Tea Party Movement, which of course is everybody.

“The True Face of the Tea Partiers”

Click Here for Part One

 Click Here for Part Two

27 posted on 04/24/2010 10:29:57 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Pray for our leaders: Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Oh? Show me where.


28 posted on 04/24/2010 11:03:31 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: thouworm; abb; Anima Mundi; ebiskit; TenthAmendmentChampion; Obadiah; Mind-numbed Robot; A.Hun; ...
Nevertheless, we should be grateful to [Comedy Central's] jelly-spined executives for reminding us that the cardboard heroes of the American media are your go-to guys for standing up to entirely fictitious threats. But for real ones? Not so much.
As a youth I had a black cocker spaniel who would make a fuss if the mailman came, but if a stranger showed up he would just wag his tail. I have often thought that when "the cardboard heroes of the American media" look in the mirror they should see, not a "watchdog," but the visiage of my dog.
The reason American journalists set themselves up as "cardboard heroes" is painfully obvious - because they can. What could be more obvious than that it is profitable to do so? And what could be more obvious than that they can get away with it because they are in cahoots with each other - and that the mechanism which enabled and promoted their cooperation is the news service in general and the Associated Press in particular.

For protection from real threats, you want the kind of person who goes to church to be reminded of the transcendent - and who takes a camera to a Tea Party rally in Washington wondering if anyone else will be there but Obama goons.


29 posted on 04/25/2010 2:10:56 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Since I began reporting for my own newsblog last summer, it has been fascinating to watch the actions and reporting of the “real” media with regard to local government - city hall, county commission, school board.

It is obvious the other media have been properly “domesticated” by the politicians and seldom report anything controversial or upsetting to the local Power Structure.

It’s a hoot to witness it all close up.


30 posted on 04/25/2010 2:20:43 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


31 posted on 04/26/2010 2:59:57 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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Nevertheless, we should be grateful to [Comedy Central's] jelly-spined executives for reminding us that the cardboard heroes of the American media are your go-to guys for standing up to entirely fictitious threats. But for real ones? Not so much.
How long have we known that "the American media" and "liberals" were joined at the hip? But we have struggled to articulate exactly why and how that is so. Here, Mark Steyn crystalizes the reason.

The thing that unifies American "liberals" and American journalism and is that each, in his own way, systematically makes fictitious "threats" out of entirely unthreatening fellow citizens and then "rescues" us from them. All "liberals," whether journalists (who assign the laurel "objective" exclusively to themselves) or politicians or intellectuals (whom journalists assign the laurels ("liberal," "progressive," or "moderate" according to what will the public will receive best) are natural allies in the endeavor to bring entirely safe phantom "threats" to light, and to book.

Cardboard heroes, every man Jack of them.

The Right to Know

32 posted on 04/26/2010 8:59:05 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


33 posted on 04/26/2010 9:11:12 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; LS

Until I can establish otherwise, I date the break point at 1964, when Henry Luce gave up his position as Editor-in-Chief of Time, Inc. He had sufficient conservative influence within the media industry to leaven the tendency of journalists to lurch leftward.

http://www.timemediakit.com/us/timemagazine/press/bios/luce.html

So far my research shows no other event or series of events that would explain it. IIRC, LS was working on a book that would establish about that time frame as when the media shed all pretense of being “objective,” if ever they were.


34 posted on 04/26/2010 9:37:53 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Update: our research did NOT show what I thought-—a sudden lurch during or after JFK. Rather, it showed a very steady but consistent move further left by ALL major papers every year. The implications are that you cannot tie this leftward lurch to a specific event, but rather to larger forces that are more difficult to quantify. It is across the board-—At. Constitution, Cleveland Plain Dealer, NYTimes, WaPo, and LA Times moved at about the same rate.


35 posted on 04/26/2010 9:56:18 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: abb; LS
LS was working on a book that would establish about that time frame as when the media shed all pretense of being “objective,” if ever they were.
A historian's study of that issue is much to be desired. Larry's A Patriot's History of the United States, good as it is, omits any mention of the telegraph that I was able to find. He said that the book had to be ruthlessly cut down to fit within the covers of what his publisher was willing to print . . .

IMHO that is like omitting any mention of radio and TV in a discussion of politics in the 20th Century.


36 posted on 04/26/2010 10:03:47 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
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To: LS

Very interesting.

Perhaps the shift leftward is a result of the collectivists purposely going into journalism to co-opt the trade.

That Luce was not well thought of amongst the “elite” media is quite evident in some of the biographies that I’ve read. The pejorative term they used (and still do) is LucePress.


37 posted on 04/26/2010 10:10:49 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: LS; conservatism_IS_compassion

This is the one I’m working on now.

http://books.google.com/books?id=rl_-_sdlxNsC&source=gbs_navlinks_s

The press gang: newspapers and politics, 1865-1878
By Mark Wahlgren Summers

Relations between the press and politicians in modern America have always been contentious. In The Press Gang, Mark Summers tells the story of the first skirmishes in this ongoing battle. Following the Civil War, independent newspapers began to separate themselves from partisan control and assert direct political influence. The first investigative journalists uncovered genuine scandals such as those involving the Tweed Ring, but their standard practices were often sensational, as editors and reporters made their reputations by destroying political figures, not by carefully uncovering the facts. Objectivity as a professional standard scarcely existed.Considering more than ninety different papers, Summers analyzes not only what the press wrote but also what they chose not to write, and he details both how they got the stories and what mistakes they made in reporting them. He exposes the peculiarly ambivalent relationship of dependence and distaste among reporters and politicians. In exploring the shifting ground between writing the stories and making the news, Summers offers an important contribution to the history of journalism and mid-nineteenth-century politics and uncovers a story that has come to dominate our understanding of government and the media.


38 posted on 04/26/2010 10:15:31 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Summers has been a good historian in the past. I haven’t read this book.


39 posted on 04/26/2010 10:20:20 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: abb
"Perhaps the shift leftward is a result of the collectivists purposely going into journalism to co-opt the trade."

First part true. Last part, no, I think it is the natural self-selection process.

40 posted on 04/26/2010 10:21:12 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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