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Would-be robber shot in New Haven's Wooster Square (CCW Holder)
nhregister.com ^ | 4/27/2010 | Staff

Posted on 04/27/2010 6:21:42 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

NEW HAVEN — A 40-year-old man apparently picked the wrong person to try to rob at knife point Monday and ended up at the hospital with two gunshot wounds to the chest, police said.

As the alleged would-be robber lay wounded, his intended victim called 911.

The incident occurred shortly after 1 p.m. on Wooster Place just outside Columbus Park in the Wooster Square neighborhood.

The shooting victim, tentatively identified by a source as Hector Santiago, 40, is expected to recover, and was speaking to police. The shooter, who police said is 65 and from out of town, waited at the scene for officers to arrive and was brought to police headquarters to be interviewed. He was later released, police said.

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Police spokesman Joe Avery added that the man brandished a knife, and that’s when his intended victim pulled out a gun. The shooter is licensed to carry the weapon, police said, and there was no information on any charges.

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Score another one for the good guys.....of course to the Bradys and the Bloomburgs these stores never happen.
1 posted on 04/27/2010 6:21:42 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

More here:

http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/


2 posted on 04/27/2010 6:21:52 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA

I wonder if any charges will be filed against the shooter?


3 posted on 04/27/2010 6:24:33 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I wonder if any charges will be filed against the shooter?

You mean like bring a gun to a knife fight?

4 posted on 04/27/2010 6:26:15 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Red in Blue PA
A 40-year-old man apparently picked the wrong person to try to rob at knife point Monday and ended up at the hospital

Aww, that's too bad.

Interestingly, the shooter was from out of town. I don't know if that means from far away or from another CT town. I know that when I travel, as I did to Texas last month, I'll bring my gun and check my bags on the plane, so long as my LTCF has reciprocity.

5 posted on 04/27/2010 6:26:51 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: Dan Nunn

I took it to mean from another CT town, lest they would have used “out of state”.

(but I am assuming that reporters are factually and gramatically accurate)


6 posted on 04/27/2010 6:33:02 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA
The shooting victim, tentatively identified by a source as Hector Santiago, 40, is expected to recover, and was speaking to police.

Right.

7 posted on 04/27/2010 6:33:12 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Lockbox
no, like bring up some BS reason the shooter didn't have a right to defend himself.
After I shot a gang banger that was trying to kill us 6 cops told me it would of been better if he died. Nothing came of it but I feel lucky that nothing did even know I was the victim.
8 posted on 04/27/2010 6:33:43 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Red in Blue PA

Two slugs in the chest and the perp was [still] talking to police/doctors.

(1) insufficient energy
(2) small caliber (prolly .38 or 9mm)
(3) shot placement (not bad though against a moving attacker)

I recommend he upgrade to .45 ACP / with Glaser Safety slugs and Winchester SXZ 45 hollow points in his magazine.


9 posted on 04/27/2010 6:36:05 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: xjcsa

libs are so confused themselves they don’t know who the victim is.


10 posted on 04/27/2010 6:38:09 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Lockbox
I have a CCW and carry a little Kel-Tec P-32.

I always wonder what the results would be, charges wise, if required to use it to prevent a robbery of oneself or others.

If there are no witnesses (or if the witnesses are unsure of what they saw or have conflicting testimony) and the robber's knife is somehow lost, a person simply protecting himself might be arraigned for manslaughter.

I realize that the loss of the knife is unlikely, but anything is possible (i.e. if the robber is struck with a bullet but runs and, while running, discards his knife).

11 posted on 04/27/2010 6:39:21 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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To: xjcsa

“The shooting victim, tentatively identified by a source as Hector Santiago, 40, is expected to recover, and was speaking to police.”

Hmmmm, something about that name.....something, something......

Never mind, he’d probably not release his birth certificate anyway.


12 posted on 04/27/2010 6:43:39 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Red in Blue PA

A heartwarming story!


13 posted on 04/27/2010 6:44:14 AM PDT by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: IGOTMINE

Just purchased a stainless Smith and Wesson 38 airweight
and with the hot hollow point ammo I have full confidence
in it’s kill power.


14 posted on 04/27/2010 6:50:58 AM PDT by manonCANAL
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To: Blueflag

But he did do a double tap like you are supposed to. Maybe he was using a .22 or did not use hollow points.


15 posted on 04/27/2010 6:54:41 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The perforated perp, “Hector Santiago,” no doubt an entirely legal resident of the United States.


16 posted on 04/27/2010 6:56:22 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Red in Blue PA
waited at the scene for officers to arrive and was brought to police headquarters to be interviewed

I would have been tempted to move along.

17 posted on 04/27/2010 7:03:17 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Red in Blue PA

i thought the news people were all over the top onthis one - the mood of the coveragewas that the victim ruined a nice, quiet neighborhood by resisting the thug, and should have just turned over his money and let the police handle things.

a ‘mugging gone wrong’ attitude is the problem. the coverage ought to have been “hero thwarts mugging”, but then I expect too much from the left wing media.


18 posted on 04/27/2010 7:03:53 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Blueflag
I recommend he upgrade to .45 ACP / with Glaser Safety slugs and Winchester SXZ 45 hollow points in his magazine.

Ballistically I heartily agree.

But there are two reasons I rarely carry my beloved 45ACP stainless CCC MKIV:

1) Diffult to conceal on my frame.

2) If used, it may well be impounded for "Evidence". That's too an expensive piece to act as a present for Officer Friendly, sorry.

My compromise solution is a PPK clone, cheap, loaded with HydraShoks and the intent of emptying the magazine, as is proper for a person in mortal fear.

19 posted on 04/27/2010 7:05:19 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (GET him AWAY from the CAMERA!! They are all figuring it out!!!)
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To: Blueflag

When caliber is insufficient just empty the freaking clip. I haven’t ever heard of a perp surviving getting shot 15 times by a 9mm bullet. Six or seven, yes, but not 15.


20 posted on 04/27/2010 7:08:39 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Obama: “They bring a knife, you bring a gun.”


21 posted on 04/27/2010 7:10:21 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: libstripper
In New Haven, there is a very good chance the perp is Puerto Rican, ie a US Citizen.

Wooster Square is the old Little Italy, and home to many Yale graduate students these days. Although New Haven as a whole is a pit, this isn't a bad neighborhood. The perp probably thought that he had an easy target, a Yale professor perhaps. Happy to see CCW in action.

22 posted on 04/27/2010 7:11:59 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: manonCANAL

Even some of the smaller calibers can be reasonably effective these days with the right ammo.

23 posted on 04/27/2010 7:12:35 AM PDT by smokingfrog (Free Men will always be armed with the Truth.)
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To: Red in Blue PA


Would-be robber shot in New Haven’s Wooster Square (CCW Holder)

CT?
New Haven?
CONCEALED CARRY?????

Ok, I’m being a bit facetious, but I’m not a Concealed-Carry expert
and being a hick from flyover country...
I’m fairly stunned to learn that CT, being in the upper northeast USA,
apparently has concealed carry.

As I often say in situations like this (where the good guys unexpectedly win)...
“maybe there is still hope for this country”.


24 posted on 04/27/2010 7:14:31 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Blueflag

prolly?


25 posted on 04/27/2010 7:15:32 AM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Dan Nunn

In Texas, you can carry your loaded concealed weapon in your vehicle without a concealed carry license. The definition of “traveling” changed a couple of years ago, so any time you’re in your car you’re traveling. You just can’t carry it on your person into the mall. FYI for Freepers who travel through Texas.


26 posted on 04/27/2010 7:48:57 AM PDT by TStro
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I have a CCW and carry a little Kel-Tec P-32.

I have the very same Kel-Tec. Great for concealed carry in the back pocket or in my wife's purse. It's not a hand cannon, but it will get the job done. I really don't care if it kills the attacker or not; I just want the attack to cease.

27 posted on 04/27/2010 8:01:51 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: TStro

Great info. Kind of the opposite of PA - you can openly carry it on your person without a license, but the moment you step into your car with it, you’re considered “concealed” and can be arrested for carrying without a license.


28 posted on 04/27/2010 8:03:46 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I always wonder what the results would be, charges wise, if required to use it to prevent a robbery

You better say "I feared for my life, officer." Otherwise you might get yourself into some real trouble.

29 posted on 04/27/2010 8:05:23 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Blennos
It's a great shooting little mouse gun, but have you had any difficulty cleaning it.

When I first broke mine down, it was a beatch to separate and when I finally got it apart, the polymer frame cracked. I had to send it back to Kel-Tec for repair.

Luckily, it has a lifetime warranty!

30 posted on 04/27/2010 8:10:03 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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To: Gorzaloon
...reasons I rarely carry my beloved 45ACP stainless CCC MKIV: ... 2) If used, it may well be impounded for "Evidence". That's too an expensive piece to act as a present for Officer Friendly, sorry.

I assume that you prefer your "beloved" go to your widow.

Sounds like false economy to me.

31 posted on 04/27/2010 8:13:29 AM PDT by cayuga (0bama acts like a ruler. Charles I (1649), Louis XVI (1793) and Maximilian I (1867) were rulers.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Cecilia Dougherty, who lives on Chapel Street facing the park, heard gunshots.

“I thought, ‘No, that can’t be.’ Then 30 seconds later I see all the police,” she said. “It’s pretty scary in the middle of the day in Wooster Square.”

There was some reassurance that the victim apparently was defending himself.

Even so, she added, “If you’re walking your dog, for example, you don’t expect the person next to you to have a gun — for any reason.”

-Just amazing, I guess she would have been happy if the old guy had just handed over his money and got stabbed to death for his efforts. Such stupidity does not need to breed...


32 posted on 04/27/2010 8:27:51 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
It's a great shooting little mouse gun, but have you had any difficulty cleaning it. When I first broke mine down, it was a beatch to separate and when I finally got it apart, the polymer frame cracked. I had to send it back to Kel-Tec for repair. Luckily, it has a lifetime warranty!

I haven't broken it down yet. We have only used it a few times in the CWP qualifying course. I cleaned out the barrel. For home defense, we have a shotgun and a couple of 5-shot 38 revolvers. I like the revolver more than the semi due to ease of cleaning and reliability.

33 posted on 04/27/2010 8:59:58 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: Blennos
I suggest reading the instructions carefully before breaking it down (being a typical "do it my way" idiot, I didn't).

The instructions say to press down against the frame when pulling the release pin out and I didn't. This failure on my part caused the little spring (trigger spring?) to get in the way of the release and then I applied to much pressure, cracking the frame.

Obviously, I will be more careful next time!;-)

Other than that problem, I love the little thing!!! Best conceal carry weapon I have ever seen...and, though small in caliber, it's a good deterrent. And surprising accurate after a little practice.

34 posted on 04/27/2010 9:45:26 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Thank you for the tip. I will keep it in mind when taking it apart.


35 posted on 04/27/2010 9:49:42 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: Blueflag
Although I have a Para-Ord .45 compact....

My primary carry gun is now a stainless steel .44 special 5 shot revolver...

Since I'm not entering into a variety of situations that law enforcement must go, I find the 5 shot more than adequate to dispatch the typical “thug” encounter....

BTW, the ballistics on a .44 special are nothing short of phenomenal....

36 posted on 04/27/2010 9:50:32 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: cayuga
I assume that you prefer your "beloved" go to your widow.

Better her than the Police Chief Retirement Fund.

But it won't. I have a lifetime range membership, I reload, and practice is cheap and fun. I carry the .45 in Winter, though.

37 posted on 04/27/2010 10:30:31 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (GET him AWAY from the CAMERA!! They are all figuring it out!!!)
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To: Clemenza

“Although New Haven as a whole is a pit, this isn’t a bad neighborhood.”

The pizza on Wooster Street makes up for any pitfalls the area might have. As a matter of fact the pizza from New Haven will be my primary reason to visit there again.


38 posted on 04/27/2010 10:50:31 AM PDT by mickey finn
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To: sarge83
you would be amazed the reaction I got from some people after the shooting i was in.

For example, there were three of us coming home from a restaurant. One of the guys said to me a few days latter, "thank you for saving my life ..." that is great but his mom and his family told him to stay away from me because she expected a retaliation against me. He was an adult he would come to see me I could come over to his place but i wasn't allowed over his moms home. I knew them since I was in grammar school.

After she said that I got a call I believe was a threat of a retaliation. I asked for the police to monitor my phone for a while, but nothing happened thank goodness.

39 posted on 04/27/2010 10:56:55 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Gorzaloon
I carry the .45 in Winter, though.

I can relate to that. The only thing I miss about NY is the heavier clothing that's possible most of the year.

I have experience with handguns almost ending up with the police. A friend of mine lost his solo game of Russian roulette using my favorite S&W. Of course, it was taken for lab testing, and then it seemed to disappear. The police said the lab still had it, the lab claiming it was returned. I finally ended up searching through a pile of guns in the police locker, and not finding it. I told the officer there that I was not giving up. He told me to come back the next day and try again. Lo and behold, there it was in the locker we emptied the day before. I believe he knew who had it, and put the word out to bring it back.

40 posted on 04/27/2010 11:12:31 AM PDT by cayuga (0bama acts like a ruler. Charles I (1649), Louis XVI (1793) and Maximilian I (1867) were rulers.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I am really surprised that there was an attempted robbery on Wooster street to start with.

This area is the 5th largest area for Italian immigrants in the entire country. Now, I’m not saying that all Italians are involved in the mafia (heck, my first husband’s family lived in the Wooster street area), but there is an element of the mafia in New Haven. And they do keep their neighborhoods free of street crime which is why I think the would-be robber was from out-of-town or was just really dumb.

That being said, Wooster street is one of the safest parts of New Haven. The food is fantastic, some of the best pizza in the country!! Frank Pepe, founder of Pepe’s Apizza invented the white clam pie. And try one of Sally’s pizzas and you know why people wait 2 to 3 hours in line outside for it. Then walk down the street to Libby’s for Italian ice and cannolis!!


41 posted on 04/27/2010 11:28:27 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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“Frank Pepe, founder of Pepe’s Apizza invented the white clam pie. And try one of Sally’s pizzas and you know why people wait 2 to 3 hours in line outside for it.”

Drool!!!!!!!

I went to Sally's Apizza years ago with a friend that lived in New Haven. I will get back some day and do a pizza tour. It was the best pizza I have ever had. All pizza I have eaten since then pale in comparison. Pepe's white clam pie has my name all over it.

42 posted on 04/27/2010 11:46:03 AM PDT by mickey finn
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To: cayuga
I have heard quite a few local stories like that, and had a friend who used to get lots of great handgun deals through certain connections.

I am not going to lose a $1200 piece that way.

I wonder what the evidence room leakage rate is for Brycos...haha.

Years ago my wife was injured in an accident. She was carrying a rather nice Beretta, and there were quite a few "problems and delays" in getting it back. I am sure they were just an administrative quirk...

So it did leave me suspicious.

Remind me to look for an old clunker left-in-the-rain 1911 shooter at the next gun show..I guess that is the best solution.

43 posted on 04/27/2010 11:55:23 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (GET him AWAY from the CAMERA!! They are all figuring it out!!!)
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“The shooting victim, tentatively identified by a source as Hector Santiago, 40, is expected to recover, and was speaking to police.”
Hmmmm, something about that name.....something, something.

It is generally suspected that he's part of one of those troublesome Amish gangs.

44 posted on 04/27/2010 2:27:54 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Blueflag

There is nothing wrong with .38 or 9mm with proper defence loads.

Glaser Safety are overrated. They make an ugly entry wound, but as far as stopping power you need PENETRATION.


45 posted on 04/28/2010 4:22:53 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: Jack Hydrazine

>> When caliber is insufficient just empty the freaking clip.

Bad advice if you’re in Connecticut. This is not Texas. If you empty the entire clip it will look to a local DA as though you “pursued” while the perp ceased to present a threat.

Know and practice “Mogadishu two-step”.


46 posted on 04/28/2010 4:29:24 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: JadeEmperor

You’re correct in that if you properly place enough .38 and 9mm rounds, you’ll take an attacker down. **IF**

I alternate Glasers with hollow points.

Still, since I know I can hit what I aim at with my P220, I am confident the .45 ACP will do the job, whereas lotsa gang bangers keep right on truckin’ after multiple 9mm hits.


47 posted on 04/28/2010 4:38:58 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Red in Blue PA
... “I thought, ‘No, that can’t be.’ Then 30 seconds later I see all the police,” she said. “It’s pretty scary in the middle of the day in Wooster Square.”

There was some reassurance that the victim apparently was defending himself... Even so, she added, “If you’re walking your dog, for example, you don’t expect the person next to you to have a gun — for any reason.”...

Clueless twit.

Lederer and Deffendall said the area isn’t entirely insulated from crime, but nothing of Monday’s magnitude. There are periodic muggings and car break-ins, both said.

Deffendall said some residents have been talking about creating an informal night patrol,...

Oh, I dunno. It sounds like a likely place to get mugged - and a good place to go armed if the neighbors were thinking of setting out patrols.

48 posted on 04/28/2010 4:50:48 PM PDT by Gritty (The places where we can't concealed carry is a shopping list for a madman - Suzanna Hupp)
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To: Gritty
Even so, she added, “If you’re walking your dog, for example, you don’t expect the person next to you to have a gun — for any reason.”...

Wow! Missed that part!

Does anyone actually read the Constitution anymore?
49 posted on 04/28/2010 5:01:08 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: sarge83; All

Wonder if this is the same “gal”?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilia_Dougherty

Cecilia Dougherty creates videotapes and digital films which focus on the themes of lesbianism and popular culture. While her early work places lesbians in a cultural territory separate from mainstream society, other projects portray the lesbian experience in terms of commonly-held norms; in her own words, “the life of an ordinary lesbian and her working-class family.”


50 posted on 04/28/2010 5:07:28 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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