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Carrying documents is required for all immigrants in U.S.

Posted on 04/27/2010 1:00:45 PM PDT by klb99

U.S. GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL EDITION NOTICE-ISBN 978-0-16-078733-1

Welcome to the United States A Guide for New Immigrants

Under "Your Rights and Responsibilities as a Permanent Resident

As a permanent resident, you are expected to respect and be loyal to the United States and to obey our country’s laws. Being a permanent resident also means that you have new rights and responsibilities.

Being a permanent resident is a “privilege” and not a “right.”"

On Page 8, is this:

* Carry proof of your permanent resident status at all times.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/M-618.pdf


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; itisfederallaw; ruleoflaw

1 posted on 04/27/2010 1:00:45 PM PDT by klb99
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To: klb99

Laws? What stinkin’ laws? Laws don’t mean anything in this country anymore!


2 posted on 04/27/2010 1:02:15 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: klb99

That is absolutely correct.

Until I was naturalized, I HAD TO carry my green card. In fact, it used to be I had to report my address every year. Went to the post office and filled out a postcard, listing my current address.


3 posted on 04/27/2010 1:04:50 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: klb99

I don’t get it...if I get stopped by a cop, I can get asked to bust out my ID...for whatever reason...why should an illegal alien be immune from this?


4 posted on 04/27/2010 1:05:09 PM PDT by jessduntno ("If you want security, go to prison, you're fed, clothed, given medical. But...there's no freedom.")
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To: klb99; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; Travis McGee; onyx; All

Being a permanent resident is a “privilege” and not a “right.””

On Page 8, is this:

* Carry proof of your permanent resident status at all times. “

BTT!!!!!


5 posted on 04/27/2010 1:06:24 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: klb99
Just make sure this doesn't manifest itself as requiring everyone to carry papers.

Never Again.

6 posted on 04/27/2010 1:07:51 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: AuntB
I asked my Congresscritter this question once. The look on his face was priceless.

"Why is it that I have to show more ID to buy cold medicine than I do to cast my vote in a Federal election?"

Question and answer period over at that point. And my CC is a Pub.

7 posted on 04/27/2010 1:08:36 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: klb99

I don’t even see how hard this is to actually do. Most states require proof of citizenship or residency. Wouldn’t a valid US driver’s license or photo ID card from these states serve as de facto proof of being in the country legally?


8 posted on 04/27/2010 1:09:42 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: klb99

AZ Gov Brewer


9 posted on 04/27/2010 1:10:21 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen ("Listen up people, let me be perfectly clear..I inherited..." the unprecedented, the unexpected)
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To: ctdonath2

Wow
You are making a HUGE leap with your intimation.

BTW does this mean you don’t carry any ID with you?

sure


10 posted on 04/27/2010 1:10:53 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Lurker

” “Why is it that I have to show more ID to buy cold medicine than I do to cast my vote in a Federal election?”

Question and answer period over at that point. And my CC is a Pub. “

That was a damn fine point!

BUMP!


11 posted on 04/27/2010 1:12:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: AuntB

Oh, how unfair. How can this go on? Why having to carry proof of legal residency is soooo unfair.

Gag...

Good one BTW.


12 posted on 04/27/2010 1:14:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
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To: RWGinger

I’m an exercise walker and often the only thing I carry with me are keys and Kleenex.

This will change though,since my son,a police officer,said I should always carry ID in case of an accident.


13 posted on 04/27/2010 1:15:52 PM PDT by Mears
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Lurker; Liz; indylindy; Kimberly GG
Why is it that I have to show more ID to buy cold medicine than I do to cast my vote in a Federal election?

Because congresscrooks are scared sh**less of being called racists. They should be scared of the people who can legally vote, but the PC crowd has them trained like Pavlov's Dog.

14 posted on 04/27/2010 1:24:04 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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To: klb99

I always carry what now is closer to a pink PR card than a green card. I just checked...I am OK for another few years for my PR card. My driver license expires this year. Thanks for the reminder. :>)


15 posted on 04/27/2010 1:35:46 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: RWGinger
This means it shouldn't be a problem if I don't.

Thing is, to enforce a "members of group X _must_ have ID" pits the crime of some people not having their ID against indistinguishable behavior of the right of others to not have ID. This leads to the legislative solution of requiring EVERYONE to have ID, in which history will repeat by the practical consequence of the ID being the person (no ID = not a legal person), internal passports, control of movement & behavior, subjugation to government, and eventual culmination of an unpopular subgroup being oppressed if not wiped out entirely. I know that's a fast jump in a few words, but history bears out that's what happens.

Upshot: in a nation of free men, mere lack of ID shall not constitute a crime.

I understand the problem, and the desire for demanding ID. It's the wrong solution. The correct solution would be very unpopular in current sociopolitical climate.

16 posted on 04/27/2010 1:36:31 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Mears
I should always carry ID in case of an accident.

That's the key nuance. Possessing ID should benefit YOU, not the state. Lack of ID shall not constitute presumptive evidence of wrongdoing insofar as simply being within our borders.

17 posted on 04/27/2010 1:48:13 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“Because congresscrooks are scared sh**less of being called racists. They should be scared of the people who can legally vote, but the PC crowd has them trained like Pavlov’s Dog. “

I have no use for cowards.

DD, better add the following litmus test for Republican green peas.

“Are you afraid to be called a “racist?”


18 posted on 04/27/2010 1:49:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: klb99

How racist. How Nazi. How atrocious. How despicable. Making immigrants carry identification. Boycott the U.S.


19 posted on 04/27/2010 1:54:08 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The enormous crimes in history were all perpetrated by governments.)
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To: klb99

Obama should be aware of this law....being he’s not a legal citizen but neither is his family members...


20 posted on 04/27/2010 1:56:36 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: ctdonath2

“This means it shouldn’t be a problem if I don’t. “

Why wouldn’t you carry some form of ID. The vast vast majority of people in the course of everyday living show or carry some form of ID.
If for no other reason than if you have an accident.

And don’t forget if you don’t have ID when asked by Police , for reasonable cause, say speeding, you will be taken to a station and pay a fine.
IN texas it is $250.00 if you are caught without a license even if you have a valid one at home.

We hae nearly 350 million people. Why would anyone think some form of ID is onerous and taking away your freedom?


21 posted on 04/27/2010 2:22:44 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

I went to the bank to cash a check today, and the teller asked me for identification. Do you think I have a lawsuit?

I want some money for free, it’s the American way, you know.


22 posted on 04/27/2010 2:26:43 PM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: klb99

Spread this:

“The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are based solely on race, color or national origin. “

Page 7, lines 28-30

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf


23 posted on 04/27/2010 2:32:03 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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To: klb99

As you can tell by the postings from a few Green Card holders on this thread, people who immigrate LEGALLY to this country are appreciative of the opportunity to be here, respectful of our laws and work scrupulously to obey them. Passing Amnesty would be like flipping them all the bird.


24 posted on 04/27/2010 2:42:16 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: camp_steveo
Thank you for that link. I'm pretty sure nobody wants it to turn into “show me your paperz”. On the other hand, checking to find out the details about someone is common on any traffic stop, court date, etc.

Not sure why detaining someone for suspicion of illegal activity such as drugs, booze, or outstanding warrants during a traffic stop or other activity should be any different than the illegal activity of being here illegally.

25 posted on 04/27/2010 2:45:30 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: klb99

Current Federal Law:

(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times
carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate
of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to
him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails
to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of
a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined
not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or
both.


26 posted on 04/27/2010 2:58:03 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: klb99

I’d be willing to bet that almost nobody (except servicemen) carried ID until the socialists began taking over in the 60s.


27 posted on 04/27/2010 3:00:48 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Socialism, socialism, we don't need no stinkin' socialism.)
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To: BuffaloJack

I have a card my grandfather carried with him all his life. He was born in Germany, brought here when young, and registered for WWI Draft. He had to show it and prove his citizenship many times. I’ve lived in two other countries, and we always went every year to get fingerprinted, registered, and have to carry cards. I can’t believe we don’t track non-citizens, and that some think this is racist.


28 posted on 04/27/2010 3:06:35 PM PDT by Ray'sBeth
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To: klb99
First it was Arizona who decided to obey Americas law. Utah is talking about it, and now Missouri......

“It shall be unlawful for any person to conceal, harbor, or shelter from detection any illegal alien in any place within the state of Missouri including any building or means of transportation, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that the illegal alien has come to, entered, or remained in the United States in violation of law. It shall be unlawful for any illegal alien to transport himself or herself within the state of Missouri.”

29 posted on 04/27/2010 3:25:43 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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Mexico’s Immigration Law: Let’s Try It Here at Home
Human Events ^ | 05/08/2006 | J. Michael Waller

Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:56:10 PM by Mount Athos

Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

That’s too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

* in the country legally;

* have the means to sustain themselves economically;

* not destined to be burdens on society;

* of economic and social benefit to society;

* of good character and have no criminal records; and

* contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:

* immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;

* foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;

* foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;

* foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;

* foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;

* those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens — and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country’s immigration policy.

It is an interesting law — and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let’s look at Mexico’s main immigration law.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

* Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)

* Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)

* Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

* The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

* Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

* A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

* A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

* Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

* Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

* Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

* Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

* Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

* “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)

* Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

* Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

* A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

* Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico’s immigration practices versus its American immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government’s agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

Let’s call Mexico’s bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let’s propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico’s own law as a model.


30 posted on 04/27/2010 3:36:33 PM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: All
LET'S SEE IF WE GOT THIS RIGHT.

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE US BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET:

* A JOB,

* A DRIVER'S LICENSE,

* SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,

* WELFARE,

* FOOD STAMPS,

* CREDIT CARDS,

* SUBSIDIZED RENT

* SUBSIDIZED LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,

* FREE EDUCATION,

* FREE HEALTH CARE,

* A RIDE ON THE U.S. GRAVY WITH SEVERAL IDENTITIES,

* A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON,

* BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE,

* THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT,

* AND THE U.S. POLITICAL/LEGAL SYSTEM AT YOUR DISPOSAL.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.

31 posted on 04/27/2010 3:38:14 PM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: RWGinger

Wrong questions.
There’s a difference between possession of an ID pursuant to common activities & social habit, vs. possession as a required-by-law-and-no-other-reason, subject-to-punishment demand on otherwise free people.

Right questions:
By what limited and granted power may the government punish me for not having an ID? I don’t mean as in pursuant to a licensed activity, I mean for no discernible reason applicable to a free person?
Requiring ID, as is repeatedly shown thru history, is tantamount to a license to exist: if you don’t have one, you are presumed to be a criminal and subject to incarceration until proven otherwise.

If you don’t understand the gravity of “Papieren, bitte” you don’t understand.

Like I said: it shouldn’t be a[n inherent legal] problem if I don’t have an ID.


32 posted on 04/27/2010 6:58:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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