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Open Carry Advocates: Shooting Themselves in the Foot
Pajamas MEdia ^ | April 29 | Bob Owens

Posted on 04/29/2010 10:38:21 AM PDT by AJKauf

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To: SoldierDad

>Have you looked at his home page?

His Freeper profile page?


141 posted on 04/30/2010 8:33:08 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Dead Corpse

“You need to figure out what that means instead of trying to weasel your way around to supporting gun control.”

You conclude that anyone who advocates discretion and common sense thinks it must be legislated. Helmets and seatbelts are good ideas that make bad laws. Jumping to the conclusion that any problem or criticism must automatically be solved with a law is a hysterical, emotional liberal response; yours, not mine.


142 posted on 04/30/2010 8:40:28 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Spok
You conclude that anyone who advocates discretion and common sense thinks it must be legislated.

Common sense is that peaceable people carrying firearms, as it is their Right to do so, don't need your fear mongering.

When you start off on the wrong foot, you won't get very far.

143 posted on 04/30/2010 8:45:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: Dead Corpse

“don’t need your fear mongering.”

I apologize. I didn’t mean to frighten you.


144 posted on 04/30/2010 8:49:40 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Spok
What do I have to be frightened of? I carry a gun.

Run along now and see if you can't find some more VPC talking points to bring up...

145 posted on 04/30/2010 8:56:43 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: OneWingedShark

Yes


146 posted on 04/30/2010 9:06:20 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: Dead Corpse

“What do I have to be frightened of? I carry a gun.”

And sleep with a light on?


147 posted on 04/30/2010 9:06:39 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Spok
Don't project. Again, why do I have to be afraid of the dark? I'm ARMED.

Open. Concealed. Long arm or pistol. Full auto or single shot. Blade, firearm, cudgel...

It's none of your damn business. Certainly none of the governments.

148 posted on 04/30/2010 9:09:43 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: SoldierDad

I didn’t until you asked. But what about it, specifically, are you referring to?


149 posted on 04/30/2010 9:44:54 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I find it interesting that on his home page he comments about being an advocate for CCW, but on this thread he’s engaging in fear-mongering (IMHO) regarding the issue of carrying weapons.


150 posted on 04/30/2010 11:34:23 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: SoldierDad; MindBender26

>I find it interesting that on his home page he comments about being an advocate for CCW, but on this thread he’s engaging in fear-mongering (IMHO) regarding the issue of carrying weapons.

Yes, several contradictions like that do stand out.
The progression of posts #109, #125, #127, #136, and culminating in #138 shows someone who is unwilling to engage in an honest intellectual debate. Note how the subtext of the ‘child molester’ in #109 is [quite] open to interpretation as stalking the child as a jungle cat would some feeble and helpless prey; yet when that is addressed by me in my reply he says, truthfully, that he never actually specifically said that... but in that case he undermines his own argument and thusly put ‘in check’ “throws the table to the ground” yelling ‘I hate this game’ in post #138. (That’s the closest analogy I could think of.)

It also strikes me that the advocacy of CCW is not the same as the advocacy for liberty. Many states have CCW licenses/permits and it could in some ways bee seen as a “badge of elitism” for someone to have a CCW-permit... in such hypothetical environment would it be unreasonable to suppose that ‘official force’ [police, army, etc] would be required to always open-carry thereby granting an even greater distinction to the CCW holders? NJ, for example, has CCW permits... technically.

{I’m including him in the ping as a matter of [undeserved] courtesy; and so I cannot be accused of ‘slander’ or ‘talking behind his back’... after all, if it’s to his face it’s merely insulting [because he then has a chance to respond and defend his reputation].}


151 posted on 04/30/2010 12:05:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I understand.


152 posted on 04/30/2010 12:11:34 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Very well written. Some CCW holders do see it as a merit badge... such as virtually everyone who has one in NYC. It is an elitism thing in many cases.


153 posted on 04/30/2010 1:47:23 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: OneWingedShark; SoldierDad

Mr. Shark, You really admit writing this stuff.... when sober?


154 posted on 04/30/2010 2:01:35 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: MindBender26; SoldierDad

>Mr. Shark, You really admit writing this stuff.... when sober?

How is it wrong?
I believe that the shown progression DOES show you to be unwilling to actually debate the issue; especially when assumptions are questioned.

How is your “you’re zotted” post in #138 NOT the intellectual equivalent of “throwing the board on the ground”?

And yes, I did/do find it offensive that you belittled both my intelligence and my earnestness with your comment that “I never argue with little people who just want to argue and drag you down to their level.”

I will admit that I like debate; and I have noted that some people take that as “being argumentative.” However, I find ‘little people’ and ‘drag you down’ to be offensive, and somewhat personal, attacks.

So, let me ask, do you admit to writing that while sober?


155 posted on 04/30/2010 2:16:26 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: MindBender26

Spot on, MB.


156 posted on 04/30/2010 2:22:04 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Dan Nunn
How about a historical one.

Wild Bill Hickok's death. Noted lawman, scout and gambler,while armed, was shot by an disgruntled gambler. WB’s gun nor his reputation didn't “scare” his murderer.

BTW Despite the Hollywood image, most gunfights weren't two gunfighters staring down each other in the town street. They were, quit frankly ambushes and not “fair fights”

157 posted on 05/02/2010 3:23:47 PM PDT by RedMonqey (You only think you are free.....)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
not a single officer was killed with his own firearm in 2009

Narrowed down to just the year "2009" you maybe correct but there is an infamous copcam video where an Texas lawman was over powered and shot dead by his own firearm by a punk in a carload of drug smugglers he just pulled over..... just saying..
158 posted on 05/02/2010 3:33:00 PM PDT by RedMonqey (You only think you are free.....)
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To: RedMonqey

Open Carry Advocates: Shooting Themselves in the Foot
Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:33:00 PM · 158 of 158
RedMonqey to CHICAGOFARMER
not a single officer was killed with his own firearm in 2009

Narrowed down to just the year “2009” you maybe correct but there is an infamous copcam video where an Texas lawman was over powered and shot dead by his own firearm by a punk in a carload of drug smugglers he just pulled over..... just saying..

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The problem I had with your review was, you used the word “many”. you got to be careful what you writean opinion when it’s not based on fact.

I have several tapes were officers were shot with their own Firearm.but it’s not “many”.

Careful what you say, or you will sound like you are taking thee anti-gun view.

Chicago farmer
Graduate of federal state and local police training. Him him him him him


159 posted on 05/03/2010 7:30:29 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER ( “IThf you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcol)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
The problem I had with your review was, you used the word “many”. you got to be careful what you writean opinion when it’s not based on fact.

First of all I never said "many". You have me confused with someone else.

Second, I have no problem with people having the right to open carry or concealed, just the wisdom between.

And third,according to an AP story(http://www.policeone.com/police/products/articles/ 100228/)

There are no national statistics on how many times officers' guns are taken away. But the FBI says that of the 616 law enforcement officers killed on duty by criminals from 1994 through 2003, 52 were killed with their own weapon, amounting to 8 percent.

You need to expand your research criteria and not narrow it down to a single year from a single source.

These are not my facts but the F-B-I.
160 posted on 05/03/2010 3:23:48 PM PDT by RedMonqey (You only think you are free.....)
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