Skip to comments.U.S. Navy subs going coed
Posted on 04/29/2010 8:26:55 PM PDT by myknowledge
WASHINGTON, April 29 (UPI) -- U.S. Navy Secretary Ray Mabus formally announced a policy change Thursday clearing the decks for women to serve on submarines.
Women had never been allowed to serve on submarines in the 110-year history of the underwater force.
The new coed era will begin once selected female officers complete 15 months of training. The plan calls for three women to be assigned to eight crews attached to four guided-missile attack and ballistic missile submarines, the Navy said on its Web site.
The change had been anticipated since Defense Secretary Robert Gates formally presented a letter to congressional leaders Feb. 19 notifying them of the Navy's desire to reverse the policy of prohibiting submarine service to women.
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2 years till the fleet begins to deteriorate.
That’s when my Son’s enlistment runs out.
It doesnt. And that is the entire point.
Women Officers on subs, No smoking on subs, Open gays, and taking away Burger King from Solders in Afghanistan has nothing to do with social trends.
It all has to do with disruption and demoralization at a time of war.
Really, we must ask “why now?” “Why is this so darned important in the middle of war?
Yeah, but from whom? This is going to work about as well as a football bat.
Come on... you really think that putting the opposite sex on a submarine with a bunch of randy sailors is the same as the race issue? If you really believe that, you are simply ignorant (sorry to burst your bubble).
I’d like to see the blueprints - where will they put the nursery?
Damn good question! You know that it will be needed.
And he works for a living
I doubt it. But the call of the wild is wide.
If a woman wants to join the Navy and serve on a sub and can perform the same physical and mental tasks as a man, why shouldnt they be allowed?
Because there might be some sailor on the sub who can’t keep his dick in his pants? And that’s the woman’s fault I suppose?
Sorry but Im not with the majority of you on this one...
The key liaison between the CO, XO and crew.
Please be reasonable... Actually, it will probably be the woman that takes advantage of the situation and charges a fee for her services (which will cause all of the problems). You are still living in the world of the 60’s (which I admit that I am also)...
Race has nothing to do with morale (or morality for the matter)... Sex, however, has everything to do with both.
Placing men and women together, in extremely confined quarters and under great stress, is going to cause problems.
There is no privacy or equality in the military, and especially on board a submarine. Presently the Navy has plenty of problems with women serving on board surface vessels. The military is not the place for damn social experiments.
This has not a damn thing to do with civil rights, and everything to do with politically correct mischief employed to disrupt morale. Allowing women to serve on a submarine is a recipe for discipline disaster.
I don't know, were many saying that white guys were gonna line up to have sex with blacks? Or were they saying that hormonal rage and jealousy about who was having sex with blacks would cause morale problems?
It takes two to tango. Numb Nuts.
This crap will not go well and those lotus-eaters in the Pentagon better get RIF’d in 2012, er..2013.
They can't perform the same physical tasks. Women aren't as strong as men. That's why there are different PT standards for women.
Women in this environment are an unnecessary distraction. Standards are relaxed, discipline is affected. I see it every single day in the Signal Corps coming from an Infantry (male only) background. It doesn't positively affect anything. All it does is increase stress.
Flame away, but those who know know I'm right.
Its difficult enough already.
I agree 100%, but let me add a caveat.
We love that Women are willing to serve, and there great billets for them.
This is not one of them.
This is idiocy.
Our government is more concerned with appearances than the defense of our nation.
Hey, your too young to know those facts!... Actually, it is nice to see the the younger generation still understands the fact of life...heh. Go get um...
Whoops, make you’re...sorry, kind of fast here...ha
Hmmm, you proffered an article that didn't explain why a female would be more likely to make a mistake, or, in the alternative, how the law of gravity has been repealed for male submariners, as myknowledge suggests.
Was the joke, “Gives new meaning to going down”?
Or was it “Up Periscope”?
OR was it “Ready the Torpedoes”?
In just under a year we’ll have a “don’t ask don’t tell” moment, once the baby is delivered.
The only way this will work is if Rosie O’Donut and Helen Thomas sigh up for sub duty!
Yeah, they said the same thing about blacks, but the worst you can get if you put a black man and a white man on a submarine is either ethnic conflict or interracial homosexuality. The worst you can get with having a coed sub would be the sub submerging with 5 passengers and surfacing with 6.
My grandfather (WW2 Navy vet) had a war-era coffee mug with a cartoon of a young sailor and a woman sitting in a bathtub
The caption was “And that, Ma’am, is how a submarine works”
I wish I knew what happened to it.
You just refuse to see the truth.
It is very difficult to have men and women in actual combat situations together.
Who knows why Holly Graf became a Captain Bligh? Who knows why the crew felt slighted?
I guarantee it all comes down to forcing people to shed traditional roles.
And I am willing to bet that the crew of cowpens gave her the benefit of the doubt.
Men and women get stupid around each other. ITS A FACT.
Thats OK in the back ranks, but it isnt OK when you’re in command, and you cant turn that shit off and on.
Its to tense on a sub to introduce this stuff to the mix.
I agree with a poster on another thread, you want to serve on a sub? Then serve on an all female sub, because as far as I know we still haven’t invented Testosterone and Estrogen scrubbers.
Aint much time on your hands on a sub.
16 hr days
This thread is getting a lot of comments. Must be that that many women here seem to think that female submariners should be no problem at all. If that is the case, please explain why the military has prevented this action for so long.
Is it just that the male senior Navy leaders have less sensibilities than you do? Maybe you have become more knowledgeable about the situation in your later years. What has changed in the last 50 years?
Would really like to hear the woman’s point of view...
“Come on... you really think that putting the opposite sex on a submarine with a bunch of randy sailors is the same as the race issue? If you really believe that, you are simply ignorant (sorry to burst your bubble).”
I don’t think I said any of that - you really ought to reassess your ability to understand the written and spoken language and perhaps your sexuality in the bargain.
Hyman G. Rickover would be rolling in his grave today if he heard of the fact that women are being allowed to serve aboard subs...?
Ive said this time and again.
You introduce Women and they will be given “Special” Facility’s as well as treatment.
Thats why they are starting with women officers, they will have a smaller community to deal with.
One Gal shares the officers quarters.
You send 12 gals on board as enlisted and they take 1 of 5 crappers and one of 2 showers for 100 men and there will be resentment.
Either way they will be seen as getting special treatment in an environment where all are expected to perform the same.
It’s a problem
No, you did not actually say that, but in your response:
Didnt many say the same about letting blacks in the military?
Do you have a source for that or is this just drivel drooling out of your slack-jawed face?
I mistook that for your statement badly, my mistake and yes, I will reassess my reading ability - tends to vary with the lateness of the hour... Sorry...
And if you recognize that problem you recognized the underlying problem of sex.
How can yall be the same and treated the same if you dont recognize man and woman?
I dont want a world full of selfish dykes
Its a high tempo environment.
Oh, your bit about sexuality was a bit over the top, regardless of my silly comments. That’s okay though - I have no problem there...heh. I understand that it was meant to hit home but it only works if what I said was factual (which I am assuming it was not).
Nine months after fornication aboard a sub:
Aint gonna happen.
What will happen is a woman will be removed from the sub at the expense of a mission because she is preggers with complications
I had a dream one night that I was in the hot tub with Dolly Parton, and it was just like PT 109 and PT 110 coming at me.. chumbawumba... LoL
Off to bed.
Eventually there should be all female crews.
But getting there will require starting with some officers,
then officers and NCOs
then officers, NCOs, and the rest of the ranks.
Gotta start some way.
Then more navy guys can serve on other combat ships.
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