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Facebook turns on Palin
Politico ^ | 5/06/10 | Andy Barr

Posted on 05/06/2010 9:50:37 PM PDT by FTJM

Former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin's endorsement of Carly Fiorina in California's Senate race has prompted a fervent blowback on her Facebook page, long Palin's safe haven for delivering her message.

The revolt is coming from Palin supporters who also back Chuck DeVore – a tea party favorite who is campaigning against Fiorina in the Republican primary.

Palin’s Facebook page is littered with comments opposing her endorsement of Fiorina, the former CEO of Hewlett Packard.

“The only REAL CONSERVATIVE is Chuck DeVore. Fiorina is a RINO and we don't need any more of those in [California],” one irate commenter wrote. “Why wouldn't you back Chuck DeVore???”

“Sorry Sarah but I think Chuck DeVore is the conservative candidate you should be supporting,” added another, who was followed up by a DeVore supporter who wrote: “I don't agree with this endorsement AT ALL! What are you thinking Sarah?”

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KEYWORDS: ca; devore; election2010; facebook; fiorina; palin; palinforfiorina; palinfreeperping; sarahpalin
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

“The Republican party has NO ONE that can save it ....”

Paul Ryan?
Mitch Daniels?

I’d like to see Palin in Steel’s spot - or doing something involving energy policy.


301 posted on 05/07/2010 4:51:04 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: libbylu; Carling

libbylu, you (and indeed, all of us) would do well to not remind Carling and others why Palin ‘supports’ McLame. What sense does it make to endlessly repeat a self-evident truth? There are none so blind as those who will not see and all that.

And this question will keep coming up ad nauseum.


302 posted on 05/07/2010 5:41:35 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (My respect and admiration for Cmdr. McCain are inversely proportion to my opinion of Sen. McCain.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

please don’t use facts to make an argument it will spoil the screaming by those who would rather go down in flames than beat Boxer. Campbell is the worst of all worlds - a convicted, by his actions, self centered man taking money from anyone that will allow him to get it.


303 posted on 05/07/2010 6:01:22 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: FTJM

There was no reason for Palin not to endorse DeVore in the primary...and then later endorse the GOP winner in the election.

I think Palin should worry less about the party...and more about real conservative principles. She has made some good choices with her endorsements, but, in some of the real key races, she has gone RINO.

In most states Fiorina would be considered a liberal Democrat. She was totally ineffective as CEO of HP. Palin could not see that?

Also, anyone who worries more about the GOP winning a specific election....instead of conservative principles being valued...is a RINO.


304 posted on 05/07/2010 6:08:21 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD Hayworth for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com)
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To: ansel12
I am not asking you to join with me on anything. Again, for those of you in Rio Linda, I don't understand why Palin is endorsing anyone else in this race besides Devore. The logic presented on this thread is that Fiorina is more electable and stands a better chance of winning. The polls don't bear that out. Campbell has a better shot at winning. I thought the objective was to beat Boxer.

If Palin is going to let crass political expediency trump principle, why not go all the way and endorse Campbell? Fiorina is a RINO as well as Campbell. Once you move away from endorsing Devore, it is like being a little bit pregnant.

305 posted on 05/07/2010 6:15:14 AM PDT by kabar
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To: firebrand
We don’t need an anti-Israel senator in 2010.

Anti-Israel? How so?

I haven’t noticed, either, that the two parties try to outdo each other in support for Israel, as you state in a reply above.

I suggest you take a look at how Congress votes on assistance to Israel and on resolutions that affect Israel. The votes overwhelmingly support Israel. There is not a dime's worth of difference between the two parties on this issue.

There are 45 Jewish members of the 111th Congress, 14 in the Senate counting Boxer. Only one is a Rep, Eric Cantor.

306 posted on 05/07/2010 6:23:56 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I am not a big fan of Carly, far from it, but I understand Sara’s reasons. Carly would be MUCH better then Boxer and this is California after all. The Palin haters will be out in force, not much can be done about that. Leaders make hard decisions and hard decisions are no fun.


307 posted on 05/07/2010 6:36:37 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: kabar

So you deny that the statements in SoCalPol’s post 230 are true? Just asking.

The last part of your reply does not make any sense to me. Yes, Cantor is the only Jewish Republican senator. How does that prove the two parties vie with each other to be the best Zionists?

You are also repeating the flawed logic that if Palin is endorsing Fiorina because Fiorina has a better chance of winning than DeVore, Palin should endorse against her firm beliefs and go with Campbell, who has an even better chance. Choosing a candidate who has a chance does not mean you have to abandon all your principles. Politics is a play-it-as-it-lays game. You are stamping flawed logic on it.

Why are you supporting Campbell?


308 posted on 05/07/2010 6:42:01 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: SoCalPol

Yep.


309 posted on 05/07/2010 6:55:11 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: firebrand
I am not denying anything. I posted Campbell's response.

The last part of your reply does not make any sense to me. Yes, Cantor is the only Jewish Republican senator. How does that prove the two parties vie with each other to be the best Zionists?

Cantor is in the House. I suggest you take a look at Congressional votes on Israel. They pass with 75% or more of the vote.

Israel is not the litmus test for me that it seems to be for you. If the choice comes down to what is best for the US and what is best for Israel, I am an American first. We don't have to agree on everything to maintain a strong alliance. I have been to Israel several times. There is a broad spectrum of poltical views within Israel. In the US, the political reality is that both parties support Israel as a friend and ally.

You are also repeating the flawed logic that if Palin is endorsing Fiorina because Fiorina has a better chance of winning than DeVore, Palin should endorse against her firm beliefs and go with Campbell, who has an even better chance. Choosing a candidate who has a chance does not mean you have to abandon all your principles. Politics is a play-it-as-it-lays game. You are stamping flawed logic on it.

The flaw in logic is with Palin. You can't be a little bit pregnant. If the criterion becomes winning versus principle, than you have crossed the Rubicon. This marks the second time that Palin has endorsed a RINO over a conservative. It is disturbing.

Why are you supporting Campbell?

I support Devore.

310 posted on 05/07/2010 7:11:41 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Fiorina has a better chance of winning than DeVore

....ahhhhhh, NOT according to the most Accurate pollster in CA since 2000, ie Rasmussen! All you Carlibots look it up, in April DEVORE polled BETTER vs BoxofRocks than Carly and Chuck has an actual RECORD to run on instead of Arnie-like promises... THIS is the year with the Tea Party money and enthusiasm to support the conservative and kill the Boxer campaign which will not be well defended by national Dems since they think they have CA still in their pocket...NOW IS THE TIME if ever...

ymmv


311 posted on 05/07/2010 8:10:04 AM PDT by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe)
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To: ElectionInspector

I agree and have said that repeatedly.


312 posted on 05/07/2010 8:39:31 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ansel12
Why is that odd, for a long time Palin was the only thing holding the conservative movement together, until her courage and outspokenness emboldened others.

Now, she endorses RINOs over conservatives that she "emboldened". Looks like the Palin glue has an expiration date, at least in terms of the conservative movement.

313 posted on 05/07/2010 8:39:52 AM PDT by Carling (I'm a neo-McCarthyite ... Obama is a Communist.)
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To: Carley

The dem is evil.

Jaaa. embrace Rinos and save the nation. Good luck.

See ya at the primary.


314 posted on 05/07/2010 9:01:11 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: Carling

No troll, she is leading us to what will probably be one of our greatest conservative elections in history, one where we move the entire Congress and Senate significantly to the right.


315 posted on 05/07/2010 9:35:17 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Carling

SB is not a fascist..

she is a friend of mine

go to hell


316 posted on 05/07/2010 9:37:28 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Yep, principles do matter.


317 posted on 05/07/2010 9:59:35 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: wardaddy
why do some freepers feel like they own a candidate and treat them like any criticism to that candidate is personal towards they themselves?

and I will go out on my usual limb and say that women here are the bigger offenders of this "possessiveness of the candidate"

they get like this cult of personality thing going and brook no dissent regardless

they did with Bush too...bigtime...that was gasoline for the harpie’s fire here back in the day even when Bush was unfortunately screwing up

now Sarah whom I support and have since I firs noticed her has backed both Queeg and Carly whom I don't care for

I guess I gather her logic or loyalty but I don't like it

she speaks of ideology and purity and then acts Machiavellian

oh well

but she is open to criticism same as anybody...it's fair game

Good post.

318 posted on 05/07/2010 10:01:48 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: kabar

Why don’t you support Jim Robinson, then? Surely, he’s more acceptable than DeVore.


319 posted on 05/07/2010 10:07:36 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I agree, DeVore has made himself a joke.

He has done an abysmally poor job campaigning, and we do need to fear Campbell. Fiorina may not be a conservative BarbieDoll, but she can win, and she supports the important stuff that Campbell doesn’t. Most important is that she can cancell Boxer’s talking points by the numbers.

Its really too bad that we can’t seem to find Christian candidates that know how to campaign in California.
.


320 posted on 05/07/2010 10:09:09 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: AmishDude

If he ran, I would support him.


321 posted on 05/07/2010 10:09:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ansel12

“Devore never got traction, and none of us want Tom Campbell to win.”

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This seems to be the essence of conservative politics in California for the past 20 years or so. For some reaon that I don’t really understand, Christian Conservatives just don’t ever seem to build up any fire in their campaigns.

Its almost as if they expect the fact that they are Christians to carry them through to victory.
.


322 posted on 05/07/2010 10:13:59 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

“There was no reason for Palin not to endorse DeVore in the primary...and then later endorse the GOP winner in the election.”

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Wrong, wrong, wrong!

This is a Stop Campbell maneuver, and it is necessary. Without Sarah’s backing Fiorina, Campbell will win, just like when Swarzenegger won. Same kind of politics, and same people pulling the strings.
.


323 posted on 05/07/2010 10:19:49 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: ElectionInspector
ahhhhhh, NOT according to the most Accurate pollster in CA since 2000, ie Rasmussen! All you Carlibots look it up, in April DEVORE polled BETTER vs BoxofRocks than Carly and Chuck has an actual RECORD to run on instead of Arnie-like promises... THIS is the year with the Tea Party money and enthusiasm to support the conservative and kill the Boxer campaign which will not be well defended by national Dems since they think they have CA still in their pocket...NOW IS THE TIME if ever...

Fiorina wins the most support of tea party people (not Devore).

This is a primary race, no one faces Boxer unless they defeat the hard left, Tom Campbell first, Devore cannot do that, Fiorina is very close to pulling that off.

Your point of the Boxer match-up while irrelevant, is also laughable, there is not a real difference in any of the match ups against Boxer.

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324 posted on 05/07/2010 10:27:36 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: pissant

“Coats, Fiorina, McCain?”

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Not fair pissant!

Fiorina is nothing like Coates 0r McCain. - She has consistently been on the right side of all the big issues. Her biggest fault is her flamboyance and her ego.
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325 posted on 05/07/2010 10:31:32 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Scotswife

Mitch Daniels is no conservative, look at where he is when it comes to social conservatism.


326 posted on 05/07/2010 10:35:52 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: editor-surveyor

She has? I recall her cheerleading for TARP. This chick is a two-faced RINO


327 posted on 05/07/2010 10:37:51 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: FTJM
It's all about incrementalism which is what got us into this catastrophic situation to begin with. CA is going to be taken back only in increments; some of these states are too far gone with the mentality of liberalism and will never elect someone that is a staunch conservative (at this time). Their minds are so infected that one word against a conservative such as racist, homophobe, etc sends the voters into a panic. OTOH, someone that displays common sense and helps to ease the populous back into the ‘right’ thinking is electable. Look at Scott Brown's victory in MASS. Clearly he is not a staunch conservative however, he spoke good common sense during his campaign and that appealed to everyone. He was not a threat. There is now a ‘foothold’ in MASS...the door has been cracked back open.
I'm looking for the person that can get the job done. People that are outraged over this clearly don't see what this nation is up against. If we don't gain some ground in Nov (if elections are held) then it is truly all over.
328 posted on 05/07/2010 10:42:41 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: Scotswife
Paul Ryan?

Ryan has "amnesty" problems. I believe he sponsored a couple of smaller amnesties.

329 posted on 05/07/2010 10:42:45 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: kabar

Why is his “running” stopping you? You can write in his name. Why won’t you?


330 posted on 05/07/2010 10:45:27 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: excopconservative; dalight
The latest survey I saw had Chuck at 14% and Fiorina at 17%. He was picking up and she was dropping.

Wrong, that poll was an outlier as the follow up poll showed, Devore remains at his consistent 20% deficit that he could never overcome and the undecided figure is 23%, not 40.

Fiorina is within the 4 to 7 point range with the money and numbers to defeat Campbell in these closing weeks.

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331 posted on 05/07/2010 10:55:36 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12
Devore remains at his consistent 20% deficit

Source?

j/k :)

BTW, I think it's important for everybody here to note that Sarah waited until four week before the primary with Devore being 20 point down, before she finally endorsed Fiorina, instead of Devore.

332 posted on 05/07/2010 11:01:16 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: AmishDude; kabar
Why is his “running” stopping you? You can write in his name. Why won’t you?

Looks like kabar's "you can't be a little bit pregnant" anology doesn't apply in this case.

333 posted on 05/07/2010 11:04:14 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Scotswife

Demint.


334 posted on 05/07/2010 11:15:46 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: pissant

2/3 of the party were for Tarp.


335 posted on 05/07/2010 11:19:51 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor

2/3 of the party is a pack of liberals.


336 posted on 05/07/2010 11:22:39 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: ansel12

Assuming she wins, a huge assumption, when she stabs you in the back, I’ll remind you of the fun.

Putting someone in office who you know you cannot count on when the chips are down is pointless, rather it be the devil you know than the betrayer pretending to be your friend.


337 posted on 05/07/2010 11:40:20 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: FreeReign

Yeah. That’s the point. It doesn’t matter who you vote for, it matters who takes office.

What’s really frustrating is all of these guys who are the conservative versions of Obama voters. They love the fresh new guy without a resume.

Any blot — any tough decision — on the resume and it’s RINO! RINO!

I’ve been tough on some of Palin’s premature endorsements (I still think Rand Paul will come back to bite her) but this is the right one at the right time. DeVore is just playing spoiler at this point. He had a long time to catch up and if it were Fiorina vs. DeVore, then it’d be a different story.

But it isn’t. He will not win and Fiorina is the least-worst option at this point. Remember my tagline:


338 posted on 05/07/2010 11:42:56 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: HamiltonJay
Putting someone in office who you know you cannot count on when the chips are down is pointless, rather it be the devil you know than the betrayer pretending to be your friend.

I am stunned at the level of support that Tom Campbell and Barbara Boxer get here, because we 'know where they stand'.

Amazing.

339 posted on 05/07/2010 12:28:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: wiggen
The pattern here sadly is my way or the highway. Practicality need not apply.

People here are passionate, and sometimes they just listen to the RINO charge and jerk the knee. Sarah has a record of being pretty careful about who to endorse.

The biggest issue apparently is that DeVore has a cloud over his head because he has no paid campaign staff or something like that.. they are all staffers and now he is being investigated. This is a killer. DeVore is toast for the Primary no matter what.. and folks just don't want to see it.

340 posted on 05/07/2010 12:28:50 PM PDT by dalight
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Fascists want to know who people voted for in elections. She may not be a fascist, but she acted like one in that instance, so it was an appropriate comment.


341 posted on 05/07/2010 12:49:25 PM PDT by Carling (I'm a neo-McCarthyite ... Obama is a Communist.)
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To: ansel12

Palin is leading us?

LOL


342 posted on 05/07/2010 12:49:51 PM PDT by Carling (I'm a neo-McCarthyite ... Obama is a Communist.)
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To: Carling

I think it is a fair question


343 posted on 05/07/2010 12:56:40 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: FTJM

“DeMint”

You’re a hypocrite.

DeMint endorsed and wholeheartedly supported Mitt Romney.

What’s ok for DeMint is a disqualifier for Palin....LMAO.

Try to be consistent.

...and Fiorina is very conservative for California, she can beat Boxer.


344 posted on 05/07/2010 12:59:04 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Palinphobia has, for 20 months, been the one constant among liberals in America.")
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To: Carling

That’s what I said, Palin emerged as the conservative leader immediately, and at what looked like our weakest moment, Palin jumped right into Obama’s stuff and started stripping the awe right off of him.

Her very first major act was to help us save that Senate seat only a month after the November, 2008 anointment of the deified Barrack Obama.


345 posted on 05/07/2010 1:05:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: rbmillerjr
Wow, I'm a hypocrite for responding to this post with "DeMint":

“The Republican party has NO ONE that can save it ....”

Paul Ryan?

Mitch Daniels?

I’d like to see Palin in Steel’s spot - or doing something involving energy policy.

Fail.

346 posted on 05/07/2010 1:09:11 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: FTJM

Lacking logic today?

You’re offering DeMint as the answer, yet Palin is disqualified.

DeMint supported Mitt Romney. You fail to see the double standard there?


347 posted on 05/07/2010 1:12:50 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Palinphobia has, for 20 months, been the one constant among liberals in America.")
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To: rbmillerjr
Lacking logic today?

Yes, you are.

You’re offering DeMint as the answer, yet Palin is disqualified.

I said nothing about Palin. I answered a comment/question that NO ONE could save the party by suggesting that DeMint could.

Are you always this defensive?

348 posted on 05/07/2010 1:23:51 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: FTJM

Your response is both juvenile and lacking logic.

It’s there for all to see.


349 posted on 05/07/2010 1:27:52 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Palinphobia has, for 20 months, been the one constant among liberals in America.")
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To: AmishDude

I live in VA.


350 posted on 05/07/2010 1:30:56 PM PDT by kabar
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